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Police: Retired Detroit Officer Fataly Shot Armed Robber(MI)
myfoxdetroit.com ^ | 23 March, 2012 | RON SAVAGE

Posted on 03/24/2012 6:26:04 AM PDT by marktwain

DETROIT (WJBK ) -- It was a slow, sleepy Friday morning at 9:00 a.m. at the Dollar General on East Lafayette in Detroit. Two guys walked into the store. One of them had a gun.

They forced a female employee to give them a bag of cash, but the security guard at the store is a retired Detroit police officer. He worked in the homicide division. He said what's the deal. Investigators say one of the bad guys with the gun pointed it at the retired officer, but in one, swift move he pulled his gun and shot the armed robber in the face.

EMS responded. The armed robber shot once in the face was rushed to Detroit Receiving Hospital. He was dead on arrival.

"I think it's horrible that someone died, but the Bible says you live by the sword, you die by the sword," said Deaunt Moore.

"Very shocking. I've been working this area about a year and never heard of anything like this, and when I heard it, very shocking," said Willie Abrams.

The partner of the armed robber ran with a bag of cash. He dropped that bag in the parking lot. All of the money was recovered. The second suspect escaped.

Detroit police are now investigating the entire incident.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; mi; robber
This incident may have been posted before, but the article date is from yesterday.
1 posted on 03/24/2012 6:26:18 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

...Deaunt Moore...

They didn’t interview Deuncle?


2 posted on 03/24/2012 6:32:04 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

They’re still looking for L’monjello.


3 posted on 03/24/2012 6:36:49 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: JimRed

Love the answer he gave. One of Detroit’s finest.


4 posted on 03/24/2012 6:36:58 AM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal!)
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To: marktwain

This “self-defense” thing is out of control. How are hoodie-wearing gang members and criminals supposed to make a living? Will the President exploit this criminal’s death for votes like the case in Florida?


5 posted on 03/24/2012 6:43:52 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: marktwain
The partner of the armed robber ran with a bag of cash. He dropped that bag in the parking lot. All of the money was recovered. The second suspect escaped.

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Guess the thug figured his arse was more important than $300. Too bad his homie didn't see it that way.

6 posted on 03/24/2012 6:49:34 AM PDT by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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To: JimRed

Maybe more details can be supplied by Deniece or Denephew


7 posted on 03/24/2012 7:08:58 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: marktwain

Nice shootin’!


8 posted on 03/24/2012 7:15:59 AM PDT by Matthew James (SPEARHEAD!)
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9 posted on 03/24/2012 7:20:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marktwain

Dirty Harry lives!


10 posted on 03/24/2012 7:28:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain
At first I thought that Officer Fataly had an unfortunate name, then I realized that the Detroit journalist was simply illiterate.
11 posted on 03/24/2012 7:39:28 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Blacks get shot every day. What makes Trayvon so special? Democrat hype.)
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To: MotorCityBuck

Reads like a single tap versus the recommended “double tap”. But then the robber may have folded up before the retired officer could tap again. Whatever the case, BRAVO.


12 posted on 03/24/2012 7:44:35 AM PDT by mcshot (Friends of A. Breitbart concerned by removal of US flags near the Presidential podium.)
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To: marktwain

What is Officer Fataly’s first name?


13 posted on 03/24/2012 7:53:27 AM PDT by szweig (HYHEY!! (Have You Had Enough Yet))
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To: szweig

Q: ‘What is Officer Fataly’s first name?’

A: Shottim


14 posted on 03/24/2012 8:15:30 AM PDT by lurk
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To: marktwain

Good Job by the retired policeman! We need many more like him, then maybe the public would be safe again!


15 posted on 03/24/2012 8:29:11 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: marktwain

OMG! The comments are too funny.

Real journalist are a thing of the past.

Oh, and I’m sooooo sorry for the dead guy. /s


16 posted on 03/24/2012 8:43:20 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Anyone not wanting an ID or purple thumb to vote isn't worthy of voting privilege.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

No race mentioned so I guess it isn’t politically fodder.


17 posted on 03/24/2012 8:49:48 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Anyone not wanting an ID or purple thumb to vote isn't worthy of voting privilege.)
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To: Tainan

However, Dedog aint talkin.


18 posted on 03/24/2012 8:52:15 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: marktwain

Did the dead perp look like Obama’s son, if he’d had one?


19 posted on 03/24/2012 9:07:10 AM PDT by IYellAtMyTV (Je t'aime, faire du bruit comme le cochon.)
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To: marktwain
A friend of mine was jumped by two unarmed thugs two weeks ago as he was walking back to his semi truck on Detroit's west side. During the fight, one guy grabbed my friend's wallet then ran, leaving the partner behind.

Bad news for the partner who ended up getting a broken thumb and a real ass whippin to the point he was begging my friend to stop.

When the cops arrived, the perp tried to pin assault charges on my friend and the perp couldn't be arrested since HE didn't have the wallet in his posession. It was his word against my friend's......

After the cops left, my friend talked to a guy on the street who knew where the escaped guy lives so my buddy paid him to take him to the house.

Considering the large amount of money that my buddy lost, he's not going to put this behind him. He's a little crazy and definitely not someone to screw around with..........

20 posted on 03/24/2012 9:07:56 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: marktwain

Whoa! Quick draw mode!

This is the difference between a gun novice (robber), a gun user, and a gun expert (officer).

You can mentally parse this event by fractions of a second for physics and psychology as an absolute justification for concealed carry.

To start with just the tip of the iceberg, let me reference the gunfighter, physicist Neils Bohr:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8493000/8493203.stm

“New research from the University of Birmingham suggests the best strategy may actually be to wait for the other guy to make his move.

“In a series of “laboratory gunfights” - with pistols replaced by electronic pressure pads - researchers found that participants who reacted to their opponent’s movement were on average 21 milliseconds faster to the draw.

“Niels Bohr (1885-1962) liked to take time off from figuring out the structure of the universe by watching westerns. Bohr noticed that the man who drew first invariably got shot, and speculated that the intentional act of drawing and shooting was slower to execute than the action in response.

“Here was a hypothesis that could be tested, and with the aid of cap guns hastily purchased in a Copenhagen toyshop, duly proved it. In a series of mock gunfights with colleagues Bohr always drew second and always won.”

Now add to this that in a robbery, the *attention* of the robber is going in several directions. He has to pay attention to whoever he is robbing, what he is robbing, anyone else in the vicinity, his accomplice if he has one, if he sees or hears anything like an alarm, how he plans to get away, etc. And he has to “refresh” his attention of all these things frequently.

Critically, he wants to rob and get away, not to shoot. If he wanted to shoot, he would have shot immediately.

Compare this to anyone else in the store with CC. They need to pay attention to cover and concealment, once, then to their gun, just to ponder its state of function and how quickly they can bring it to bear, once. From that point on, they can put all their attention into the robber or robbers.

This gives them a huge number of milliseconds to act, unlike the robber who must *move* his attention to them, figure out what the CC holder is doing, and then do something or not, with a bias to not.

In this case, my guess is that the robber pointed his gun at the guard, then looked at something else. The guard drew his gun while making a slight sidestep and half sideways turn, to a new location and narrower profile, perhaps cocking his gun while raising it, if it was a revolver, or taking it off safe while raising it, if it was an automatic. At head height, briefly aimed and a “grab shot”, as a photographer would say.

How to win a gunfight. This is why I always prefer CC to open carry. Open carry is to change minds. CC is to put bullets through them.


21 posted on 03/24/2012 9:09:12 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -- Hillary Clinton)
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To: marktwain
It was a slow, sleepy Friday morning at 9:00 a.m. at the Dollar General on East Lafayette in Detroit

LOL!

There isn't anything "slow and sleepy" about that part of town. The fact that a small Chaldean owned store would actually have a hired security guard on the premises tells you everything you need to know.........

22 posted on 03/24/2012 9:14:20 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: marktwain

And the armed robber looked just like Obama’s son.


23 posted on 03/24/2012 9:15:16 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“They’re still looking for L’monjello.”

Or the identical twins, syphilis and gonnorea! Or maybe La-a ( that’s La Dasha, the dash don’t be silent)


24 posted on 03/24/2012 9:21:22 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Realman30

Robbing a Dollar General store doesn’t seem too lucrative.Maybe they should’ve tried the Twenty Dollar General.


25 posted on 03/24/2012 9:42:51 AM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: Tainan; JimRed

Is Deaunts demuddah what shots debruddah?

Yo?


26 posted on 03/24/2012 9:56:44 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: gigster
Yeah, they could have gotten a cool 3k there. That would keep them in crack and new CDs for a full week.
27 posted on 03/24/2012 2:00:50 PM PDT by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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To: Realman30

What’s a CD?


28 posted on 03/24/2012 2:04:51 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (If we had a President, he'd look like Newt.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
watching westerns. Bohr noticed that the man who drew first invariably got shot,

It didn't occur to him that the script might have something to do with that?

29 posted on 03/24/2012 2:46:40 PM PDT by j_tull ("I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.")
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To: j_tull

That gets interesting. Even the writers of most westerns seemed to intuit that those who drew first, lost. While of course characterization and plot have a lot to do with it,

Bohr probably noticed that this even seemed to apply to the actors. That is, whoever draws first *looks* to be noticeably slower. The eye can actually pick that up.

Ironically, as far as real western history goes, the bulk of the gunfights were usually some belligerent drunk standing in the street wanting to shoot someone, when the other party went up behind him and plugged him with a shotgun.

There was an interesting rule to mitigate the first draw disadvantage in a gunfight, however. “Get a shot off quick, first. You probably won’t hit them, but it will distract them enough to aim your second shot.”

This makes a lot of sense, since a distraction could restore your advantage, discombobulating your opponent long enough to get a distance shot on him.


30 posted on 03/24/2012 3:07:04 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -- Hillary Clinton)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I have argued as you have on many threads. Open carry makes a statement but also makes you the first target in a sticky situation...CC is for defense, you have the unknown surprise factor working for you....my father was retired cop and conceal carry all the time...he had worn open carry for 25 years with uniform...knew conceal carry gave you the advantage..there is a difference of opinion on that with many freepers...I still think conceal is for defense and the better of the 2 ways for protection...

While someone is taking out the open carry person, the one concealed has those few seconds to get the job done..

31 posted on 03/24/2012 4:20:17 PM PDT by goat granny
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