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Maher: Hate Crime Laws Give "Liberals A Bad Name"
Real Clear Politics ^ | 3/24/12

Posted on 03/24/2012 5:18:09 PM PDT by Impala64ssa

On his HBO show "Real Time," host Bill Maher spent six minutes discussing his strong opposition to "hate crime laws." "One more aspect of this (Treyvon Martin case) which is hate crimes, and I know that you've (pointing to Andrew Sullivan) written about this. Some people think that a hate crime is a thought crime and this shouldn't be some separate category, a crime is a crime. It's an action. Is that what you guys believe? That's what I believe," Maher said to his panel comprised of Andrew Sullivan, Wendy Schiller and Glenn Greenwald. "It's totally what I believe," Andrew Sullivan said. "I don't want, in any way, the government getting into my mind, into my thought process." The discussion moved on to a specific case involving Rutgers student Tyler Clementi and his former roommate Dharun Ravi that is being labeled a hate crime. Last year, Clementi committed suicide after being hazed by Ravi. Maher says trying this case as a hate crime "gives liberals a bad name. Maher says Ravi was "a mean kid" but that he shouldn't face the amount of jail time he is looking at, 10 years in prison, for being "mean." "If it's against the law to be stupid, we're all going to be in jail eventually," Maher said to guest Wendy Schiller, who accused Ravi of attacking Clemente because of his sexual orientation. "He was a mean kid." "I just think this is what gives liberals a bad name," Maher also said. "Just this? Nothing else, just this?" Schiller asked.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hatecrimes; maher
I take this with a HUGE grain of salt, but Bill Maher, of all people, eloquently arguing against hate crime laws. Strange but true.
1 posted on 03/24/2012 5:18:17 PM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa

What’s with Maher lately? Wrote an op ed the other day that even GLENN BECK and his radio crew agreed with, now this. I swear they’re handing out parkas in Hell.


2 posted on 03/24/2012 5:21:46 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Impala64ssa

I have to admit that I’m stunned.


3 posted on 03/24/2012 5:22:15 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: Impala64ssa

>>I take this with a HUGE grain of salt, but Bill Maher, of all people, eloquently arguing against hate crime laws. Strange but true.<<

The only parts of the USC/BOR that liberals believe in are the “promote the general welfare” clause of the Preamble and the 1st Amendment (for them not for others).

The hollywood left fears anyone who would potentially muzzle thinking, because they fear THEIRS will be the one muzzled. Muzzling conservative thought is a whole different proposition.

It is a strange oxymoron.


4 posted on 03/24/2012 5:22:53 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: RightOnline

Maher is moving right while Ann Coulter is moving left


5 posted on 03/24/2012 5:24:54 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Impala64ssa
Maher coughed up $1M in Obama protection money and is slowly walking back, or trying to justify, some of his nastier comments. If he isn't able to appear less intolerant, his career path will require a drastic course change.
6 posted on 03/24/2012 5:25:18 PM PDT by JPG (Hold on tight; rough road ahead.)
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To: Impala64ssa

He’s a d bag, but he’s somewhat more honest than most other liberals.


7 posted on 03/24/2012 5:26:46 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: Impala64ssa

Maher also recently called the Occupy Wall Street crowd a bunch of “douchebags”. It just goes to show that even a broken clock is right twice a day.


8 posted on 03/24/2012 5:28:38 PM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: freedumb2003
The only parts of the USC/BOR that liberals believe in are the “promote the general welfare” clause of the Preamble and the 1st Amendment (for them not for others).

You forgot the commerce clause.

9 posted on 03/24/2012 5:30:35 PM PDT by Maceman (Liberals' only problem with American slavery is that the slaves were privately owned.)
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To: Impala64ssa
This is, my FRiends, a mere gratuitous gesture.

It is designed to humanize this fungus-of-an-America-hating-human by fogging his name-calling past with a counterfeit rhetorical countermeasure.

He believes none of this, there is NO reason why any thinking person should believe that the American Military-slandering, al queda-admiring worm has turned, as much as a micron.

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10 posted on 03/24/2012 5:32:17 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: 4rcane

...and they both went to Cornell.


11 posted on 03/24/2012 5:32:30 PM PDT by mkboyce
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To: Impala64ssa

Mr. Maher - Liberals give themselves a bad name.


12 posted on 03/24/2012 5:34:39 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: Impala64ssa

I don’t feel jubilant over Maher’s move to the center. I kind of think that 1M was given and he was told to tone it down for the sake of the campaign. He is a snake, but it is interesting to watch him walk back a bit. As for Coulter, don’t trust her either. She has turned out to be a huge disappointment. All of them are elitists.


13 posted on 03/24/2012 5:35:25 PM PDT by marygam ((Hurry November 2012, we might not make it))
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To: RightOnline

Every now and then, a blind pig finds an acorn.


14 posted on 03/24/2012 5:36:23 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: 4rcane

Maher is moving right while Ann Coulter is moving left


They will meet in the middle. They having a thing?


15 posted on 03/24/2012 5:37:22 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Impala64ssa

Maher might be arguing a right wing position, but one of the people on his panel is the “man” who flogged the story about Palin not being the real mother of her child.

Can you imagine a right winger writing dozens of articles suggesting that Obama isn’t the real father of his two girls and still being invited to appear on national television? (Unless, of course, the purpose was to ridicule and humiliate him....)


16 posted on 03/24/2012 5:37:51 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: Impala64ssa

Maher is simply in industrial strength CYA mode.
The End.


17 posted on 03/24/2012 5:41:52 PM PDT by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: Impala64ssa

He saw how easy Obama fooled Amerika now he is trying.


18 posted on 03/24/2012 5:42:12 PM PDT by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Even the most obnoxious leftist individuals will occasionally get something right. Maher is a liberal with some libertarian leanings, and will sometimes stumble into a good point or two. I am sure Karl Marx and Fidel Castro had their moments as well, but it doesn’t mean we should be impressed with either of them.


19 posted on 03/24/2012 5:47:11 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Impala64ssa; All
". . . a crime is a crime. It's an action."

Such common sense! Any individual who purposefully injures or takes the life of another commits an act, or crime, which should be punished under a system of laws.

So-called "progressives" appeal to the classes, or groups, which they have created as voting blocks, by claiming to be able to read the minds of some criminals as being motivated by what they describe as "hate." Such dishonest manipulation of the law never was intended in the Founders' concept of "equality before the law."

Perhaps Maher fears that if conservatives gain power, they will somehow define his actions as "hate crimes," and, thus, he is seeing the disadvantages of allowing political groups to define actions motivated by "hate."

Thomas Jefferson stated:

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

20 posted on 03/24/2012 5:48:03 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Impala64ssa

I wonder if HBO subscriptions are tanking because of this wack job.


21 posted on 03/24/2012 5:55:25 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Impala64ssa

Liberals, Marxist, Socialist, Leftest... They are peas in the same pod, and ALL have a bad name. No single action does it, It’s the collective ! They are BORG.


22 posted on 03/24/2012 5:58:28 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Linda Frances

It’s been said (or rumored) Coulter and Maher dated.


23 posted on 03/24/2012 6:09:50 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Newt says, "A nominee that depresses turnout won't beat Barack Obama.")
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To: Seaplaner
This shows his true colors:

A man who would get his moment of jollity at the expense of the widow and orphan of a decent man who died a tragic death displays it perfectly.

Drunk, stoned and stupid is no way to go through life.

24 posted on 03/24/2012 6:19:03 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Well, of course he argues against hate crime laws. Because hate is what he’s all about.


25 posted on 03/24/2012 6:25:13 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Impala64ssa

I think they both believe what they’re saying, 100%, both him and Andrew Sullivan.

And I agree with them on THIS.


26 posted on 03/24/2012 6:44:51 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Solid Conservative Values. A Man You Can Trust. "Etch-a-Sketch 2012!" /sarc)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

I also believe Maher and Sullivan realize the folly of trying to elevate “hate” crimes. Convict people based upon what they do, criminal actions, not a guess as to what’s going on in their heads. Does it require that much intelligence to see this? I don’t think so. They get it.


27 posted on 03/24/2012 7:39:25 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: Impala64ssa

28 posted on 03/24/2012 7:40:58 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: RightOnline
If you ask me I think this is a head-fake by the libs to tone it
down for Obama's re-election bid.

Not for one second does the left back off without an agenda. And Maher is
the worst not-politicion mouth out there.

29 posted on 03/24/2012 7:46:20 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Impala64ssa

Maybe it’s starting to dawn on Maher that ‘liberals’ are closed minded control-freak totalitarians.


30 posted on 03/24/2012 8:21:14 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Impala64ssa

Maher is a sick twisted man who is capable of saying anything-and usually does. Hate crimes, as they are applied, permit the left to profile against white males, which is perfectly consistent to the liberal mentality. The laws inject the politically correct mindset into charging decisions. If not facially unconstitutional, they are unconstitutional “as applied”.


31 posted on 03/24/2012 8:22:09 PM PDT by Spok (Who is Sam Zemurray?)
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To: loveliberty2
Perhaps Maher fears that if conservatives gain power, they will somehow define his actions as "hate crimes," and, thus, he is seeing the disadvantages of allowing political groups to define actions motivated by "hate."

Good one. I'm sure with enough power behind us - maybe a suck-up press that switches sides - we could become just as thin-skinned and arrogant as elite liberals are... of course, at that point most of us would change parties and stand with the 'out' group - and the Constitution...

Hate crimes are thought crimes - thought crimes are totalitarian...

32 posted on 03/24/2012 8:28:36 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: 4rcane

“Maher is moving right while Ann Coulter is moving left.”

Interesting thought but, of course, untrue in both
cases.


33 posted on 03/24/2012 8:58:51 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: Impala64ssa

Unlike most libs Maher is simply against the government
trying to read peoples’ minds. He thinks that job is
his. There are a few (very few) libs who understand
the slippery slope of hate crime laws. He is one of
them. He ain’t moving to the right, no way, no how.


34 posted on 03/24/2012 9:15:27 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: Impala64ssa

A trapped rat trying to scratch his way out of a corner.


35 posted on 03/24/2012 9:26:36 PM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Impala64ssa
Maher: Hate Crime Laws Give "Liberals A Bad Name"

Never mind the fact that Bill Maher gives liberals a bad name.

36 posted on 03/24/2012 9:27:53 PM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Impala64ssa

Maher can relate to mean kids.

When liberals get on their race and sex witch hunts, it does have a way of turning on them. This is what Maher is worried about. The double standard does not hold with free speech.


37 posted on 03/24/2012 9:40:20 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Impala64ssa

It is because Maher realizes that he can be arrested for committing hate crimes, depending on who is the prosecutor’s chair. It is a nightmare, and the Rutgers kid committed a sick joke, but it is one that happens 100 times a day on US college campuses and maybe Queer Nation ought to “get used to it”. It was a bad joke, not a crime, but the victim was in a protected class and now the ‘criminal’ has to pay double. What BS!

Hate Crimes are directly out of Orwell and I wish the Supreme Court would abolish them. It is just damn unconstitutional.


38 posted on 03/24/2012 9:48:57 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: freedumb2003
According to Yuri Bezmenov, an ex KGB agent who gave an excellent interview about how the communist really work, when they take over a country the first ones they eliminate are the useful idiots. The useful idiots expect too much from the those who have taken over because they think that they are owed things for the help they gave. For the current leaders it is much more efficient to eliminate them. This interview, though from earlier, is well worth listening to if you haven't listened to it yet. It is truly eye opening.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k5ezXdAjXyKVCblBt1

39 posted on 03/25/2012 12:30:53 AM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: DestroyLiberalism
Maher also recently called the Occupy Wall Street crowd a bunch of “douchebags”. It just goes to show that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Who knows, maybe he is waking up. It can happen to anyone, even him, not likely, but it can.

40 posted on 03/25/2012 12:34:21 AM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Bellflower
This guy is the lowest of the low, I've never heard anyone so consistently twisted and disgusting.

It isn't "happening" to him at all, he's just trying to sound rational and measured so he can keep his show and the $$$ it gives him. The Rush backlash is nipping at his heels and he needs to do something to keep his show.

The man is an incorrigible lout, he just wants to keep the money rolling from his HBO sweet spot.

Saying one thing that sounds good (broken clocks are right twice daily) doesn't give him amnesty for everything else he's said......

41 posted on 03/25/2012 12:49:05 AM PDT by Lakeshark (NbIttoalbl,cRwIdtaa)
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To: MNDude
He’s a d bag, but he’s somewhat more honest than most other liberals.

On this issue...

42 posted on 03/25/2012 7:49:50 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Lakeshark
doesn't give him amnesty for everything else he's said......

No amnesty from me, just saying, though not likely, even the worse person on the whole planet could change. You never know.

43 posted on 03/25/2012 8:41:46 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Bellflower
Anything can happen.

Horses might sprout wings soon, you never know..........but that's about as likely as Maher changing into a decent human being.

44 posted on 03/25/2012 11:45:47 PM PDT by Lakeshark (NbIttoalbl,cRwIdtaa)
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