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Trayvon Martin Killing: Friend Tells ABC News Howls on 911 Tapes Belong to Zimmerman, Not Martin
ABC News ^ | Saturday March 24, 2012 | Matt Gutman and Olivia Katrandjian

Posted on 03/24/2012 9:51:42 PM PDT by kristinn

A friend of George Zimmerman, the man who shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla., told ABC News today that the voice heard howling on the tape of a 911 call was Zimmerman's, not the teen's.

The man, a black friend of the family who spoke to Zimmerman tonight, told ABC News that Zimmerman was weeping for days after the shooting, which sparked protests across the country, and he insisted that Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, is not a racist.

"We wanted to come forward because allegations of racism just aren't true. His friends speak highly of him," said attorney Greg Sonner, who has been representing Zimmerman for two weeks.

Zimmerman's friend said that the howls heard on the 911 call, which helped galvanize the nation against Zimmerman, in fact belonged to Zimmerman, not Martin.

A witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman told ABC News the same: the pleas for help were Zimmerman's.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; investigation; lawsuit; sanford; standyourground; trayvonmartin
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To: Salamander
Different strokes, I reckon....

For the nights he's REALLY cold he puts on his baseball cap which is too small........................... then the hoodie. Hmmm hmmm hmmmm.

101 posted on 03/25/2012 1:20:51 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Salamander

Wait wait wait.

He BRAIDS HIS GOATEE????????????

LOLOLOL!!! (I think?) :)


102 posted on 03/25/2012 1:22:44 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

103 posted on 03/25/2012 1:27:47 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Yup.

Otherwise it gets in his soup.


104 posted on 03/25/2012 1:29:41 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: Brad's Gramma

You *could* turn up the heat a bit.


105 posted on 03/25/2012 1:30:21 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: Salamander
Still not scary. Sorry.

Am I ruining his image? :)

106 posted on 03/25/2012 1:30:37 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Salamander

Stop feeding the man soup!!! And I’m NOT turning up the heat!

And....if you and I aren’t banned by tomorrow for yet again...hijacking a thread...I’ll be VERY grateful. :)


107 posted on 03/25/2012 1:32:03 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: anglian

Violate tennents of what, to be a victim? So, Zimmerman is guilty of
association. Why was Mr. Hoodie thug in a gated community? You seem to believe that anyone with a gun is hunting for a kill.
Perhaps this one is justified

Typical “blackman as the victim “media template. Exploited by Zer0, Sharpton and Jesse. I guess they want riots to break out and stores to go up in fire.

Then President Zer0 will come out as the savior, promoting healing for a racist culture!

trayvon traynor or whatever phonetic crap spelling, what ever his momma named him is
a thug losscumbag.

No one reported about Chicago’s “black yout “ flash mobs that attacked and beat up white students or raped and killed a young white girl.


108 posted on 03/25/2012 1:34:59 AM PDT by ChiMark (chewed up his body for a decade)
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To: hoosierham

Well, the problem is that he was “detained” not “arrested.” Bu thte repetition of the fact that he was not arrested gives an impression to the casual reader (most people) that he was just sent home.

Most people would think that is they put you in handcuffs and take you downtown (as was the correct thing to do with Zimmerman that night) you’ve been “arrested.”


109 posted on 03/25/2012 2:04:40 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: ChiMark
Why was Mr. Hoodie thug in a gated community?

Tap the brakes, FRiend. There is no evidence that he was a "thug" and it is indisputable that he was well within his rights to be in the neighborhood. He was residing as a guest of a resident (his father and father's fiancé.)

It is entirely reasonable, and consistent with all known facts, to believe that Zimmerman acted in self-defense, even though Martin was a basically good kid, who certainly does not deserve to be dead. But he is dead, as a result of a tragic chain of events involving poor judgment by both parties.

Friends of both parties say they were friendly, decent, good people. That's the tragedy here.

110 posted on 03/25/2012 2:10:42 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: kristinn

Don’t confuse me with the facts.....


111 posted on 03/25/2012 2:23:13 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: TheZMan
Especially on the mug of one BH Obama.

This is working out to be the same scenario as the Duke faux rape chit.

Spread the lie at the speed of light and the truth be damned.

112 posted on 03/25/2012 2:28:22 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Nations are only truly great when it's people are struggling against all odds, growing and expanding)
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To: hoosierham

Do you know whether or not he was read his rights at that time?


113 posted on 03/25/2012 2:39:45 AM PDT by monocle
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To: kristinn
The theme they are trying to project is accurate in their world view. What does it matter if, once again, the story is "fake but accurate":

Dan Rather approves of the Zimmerman reporting.

There are still anti-black racists in our country - not all racists are pro-Obama bigots who hate whites - even if the race hustlers never seem to find one for these stories, and one of the remaining anti-black racists might some day shoot an innocent kid. That makes it important to report this story, even if it is fake.

114 posted on 03/25/2012 3:03:40 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: kristinn

The local Florida media and the national press have demonstrated the most unprofessional brehavior in this case. Al Sharpton and the race baiterss are never about truth, only agitating.


115 posted on 03/25/2012 3:07:03 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: kristinn

The local Florida media and the national press have demonstrated the most unprofessional brehavior in this case. Al Sharpton and the race baiters are never about truth, only agitating.


116 posted on 03/25/2012 3:07:25 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: chris37

Besides, freedom is the free stuff. Got to raise more stink for the free stuff. /sarc.


117 posted on 03/25/2012 3:17:49 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: PhatHead
"as a result of a tragic chain of events involving poor judgment by both parties. ."

I don't think either one displayed poor judgement. If the claim by the girlfriend of Trayvon Martin is true, that the two of them had the following exchange, and to paraphrase:

Why are you following me...why are you here
Then their actions and behavior up to that point are perfectly reasonable and rational. Whatever happened, happened after this point. That's if what the girlfriend said is true. I have no idea either way because it hasn't been documented to my knowledge.

My personal belief, so far, is that a disputed, but not necessarily contentious, social situation triggered something personal in one of them, and it happened quickly.

118 posted on 03/25/2012 3:18:35 AM PDT by csense
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To: Krankor

SPD will likely do anything to make this go away.
Another entity with their hand on the smelly end of the stick may be the community HOA.
By allowing Zimmerman to repeatedly flank post in the community, he became their agent. Though perhaps operating on a self-determined schedule, Zimmerman appears to have operated in an unregulated and unaccountable manner. A literal loose gun.
It may be argued that HOA silence regarding the methods and frequency of his patrols created the environment in which an incident could occur. It was simply an incident looking for an opportunity. Hope their liability insurance is paid up.


119 posted on 03/25/2012 3:34:33 AM PDT by Huaynero
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To: Krankor

I am pretty sure those screams were before the gunshot? Why would Martin be screaming? He had no reason to scream. Unless he screamed at the sight of the gun. Hell, why would he scream after the gunshot, from what I understand, it should have killed him instantly. I am sure the police can figure out who the screams actually came from using experts. However, it makes no sense to me, that the screams are from Martin.


120 posted on 03/25/2012 3:43:10 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: gaijin

Mmmmmm,Mmmmmm,Mmmmmm. Dat Lil’ boy be look’n all thugged ups! Mmmmm,mmmmm,mmmmm!


121 posted on 03/25/2012 4:56:58 AM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
", kind of like they stopped talking about Sandra Fluke, they saw that her 15 min were up and had to move on to something else to divert attention from Obama’s failed policies."

You have hit it right on the head. Great observation.

122 posted on 03/25/2012 5:00:48 AM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: Havisham
Maybe, but why would an unarmed kid attack a guy with a firearm? Sorry but that is extremely implausible.

Perhaps the Zimmerman did not display the gun prior to the attack, so Martin didn't know he had it.
123 posted on 03/25/2012 5:29:39 AM PDT by Cheburashka (It's legal to be out at night in spacesuits, even carrying a rag dolly. Cops hauled us in anyway.)
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To: Havisham

why would an unarmed kid attack a guy with a firearm?

Happens all the time. Criminals dont stop to ask if their victim is carrying.


124 posted on 03/25/2012 5:35:03 AM PDT by mouse1
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To: Brad's Gramma

Hell I’ve been wearing them for over 40 years.


125 posted on 03/25/2012 5:58:11 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: csense

I agree that their actions up to that conversation were perfectly rational, and I can see myself taking the same actions.

When I refer to “poor judgment” it is this: Zimmerman could have waited for the police instead of walking into the darkness to try to spot the person he thought “might be on drugs or something.” Would I have done as he did? Probably.

Martin could have kept going that last 100 feet to home instead of turning around to confront the strange guy following him. Would I have turned around? Yeah, probably.

And that is exactly what is so tragic. I can put myself in either one’s shoes - up to that point.

The reason I lend credence to the girlfriend’s account of the conversation is that it bolster’s Zimmerman’s account - it shows Martin initiating the conversation.

There’s no doubt it happened quickly. After “Why are you here?” they only needed to explain to each other who they were and why they were there. They only needed to keep talking.


126 posted on 03/25/2012 6:44:53 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: wardaddy

The future does look grim on a national level. There might be some regional hope. And our families of course. But at the national level, the America we grew up in is dead. The Gramscian termites won in the end.


127 posted on 03/25/2012 6:49:21 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

A key bit of evidence supporting the death-match over the gun is the fact that only one round was fired, and no second round was chambered or jammed part way. The second round was still nested in the magazine, indicating the feed cycle was disrupted by hands wrapped around the pistol’s slide. IOW, a wrestling match over the gun.


128 posted on 03/25/2012 6:52:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Lockbar
", kind of like they stopped talking about Sandra Fluke

The lovely and gracious Ms. Fluke hasn't completely gone away. She was just out in the People's Republic of Portland, getting an award from the local chapter of Planned Parenthood. The local Portland new media was in full gushing mode about it :-(

129 posted on 03/25/2012 6:52:59 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: Inspectorette
getting an award from the local chapter of Planned Parenthood.

Call it by its' proper name, "Planned Murder".

130 posted on 03/25/2012 6:54:18 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Huaynero
By allowing Zimmerman to repeatedly flank post in the community, he became their agent. Though perhaps operating on a self-determined schedule, Zimmerman appears to have operated in an unregulated and unaccountable manner. A literal loose gun. It may be argued that HOA silence regarding the methods and frequency of his patrols created the environment in which an incident could occur. It was simply an incident looking for an opportunity. Hope their liability insurance is paid up.

Yup.

131 posted on 03/25/2012 6:59:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: berdie

Right.


132 posted on 03/25/2012 7:03:53 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (The biggest Hate group in America is located in the White House, Congress & DOJ)
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To: Travis McGee

I read you have to take into account the type of gun it was (polymer framed) and when fired with a limp wrist you get a FTF.


133 posted on 03/25/2012 7:20:02 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Travis McGee
a wrestling match over the gun

It means GZ didn't gun down TM at a distance, so murder is off the table.

134 posted on 03/25/2012 7:23:22 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: csense

I would be really, really curious to know how long after the events she reported the details of this call. And if the call data records of the cell carriers involved support her account. I think the Martin family’s lawyer claims they do, on that last.


135 posted on 03/25/2012 7:26:56 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: PhatHead

Detention in handcuffs IS arrest despite whatever legal fictions and BS the state may claim.

Detained implies kept from leaving while being forcibly moved while in physical restraints like handcuffs certainly says arrested to anyone with understanding regardless of the police using the word.

Our freedoms and rights are chipped away with cheap semantics and court decisions that allow routine roadblocks ,warrantless searches and other outrages.

Today Cincinnati police followed a black man from a convenience store robbery but could not identify him amongst all the people in a house he ran into SO THEY LEFT WITHOUT ARRESTING ANYONE! Cincinnati police did tow away the car used in the robbery escape.LOcal churches are encouraging the wearing of hoodies to services as a protest today! Black thugs must be laughing .


136 posted on 03/25/2012 7:47:17 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: TheZMan
Actually, it is my hope that Zimmerman sues the crap out of the media, Sharpton - even Obama. The mental anguish they've caused him must be worth millions! Let him teach them why tort reform is necessary.
137 posted on 03/25/2012 7:47:31 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (Barack has a memory like a steel trap; it's a gift ~ Michelle Obama)
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To: palmer

That’s right. A wrestling match over the gun rules out murder.


138 posted on 03/25/2012 8:05:21 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: anglian

FTF would mean a cartridge was out of the magazine but not fully chambered. That is not the case here. The chambered round was fired, and the second round was still fully in the magazine. I have the identical KelTec pistol. The only way the second round would not be moving forward, is if the magazine was not fully inserted, or if somebody was grasping the slide, preventing it from moving backwards to begin the reloading process. Experts will check the gun 99 ways, and this will be borne out. The only other possible reason is the magazine was not fully inserted, hard to imagine, but possible. But if the mag was all the way in, it had to be a wrestling match for the gun, which matches the 911 recordings.


139 posted on 03/25/2012 8:08:57 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: anglian

PS: The “contact distance” wrestling match over the gun scenario will also be corroborated by powder burns and blood spatter on both the shooter and the deceased.

Also, TM might have cuts on his hands matching the pistol, if the slide moved at all.

My guess is “wrestling match” will be the final determination. Hence, no murder.


140 posted on 03/25/2012 8:12:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 1066AD

It wouldn’t matter if Jesus himself came back to earth and told ABC that Zimmerman was innocent. The black racist machine is cranked up and snowballing like a freight train.


141 posted on 03/25/2012 8:21:07 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Travis McGee
Cool.

Let's all go to the nearest hood and stand our ground. Hey kid, it’s raining, dark, you have your face hidden, I don’t recognize you, who are you and what are you doing? We can hand free hoodies to all the illegals. Perfect! /S

142 posted on 03/25/2012 8:23:42 AM PDT by anglian
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To: anglian

I’m missing your point.


143 posted on 03/25/2012 8:24:55 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
"My guess is “wrestling match” will be the final determination. Hence, no murder."

More importantly who instigated the struggle. The cut on the back of Zimmerman's head is the real tell on this. An attack from the rear as Zimmerman was walking back to his truck. Or maybe Zimmrman heard Martin approaching and turned to face him before being knocked backward to the ground. Clearly it was Zimmerman laying on his back because of the grass and moisture transfered to the back of his clothing.

Either way, it supports Zimmermans version, and assumedly most of the six witnesses.

Looks like the cops made the right call in the beginning.

144 posted on 03/25/2012 8:32:11 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Travis McGee

An armed man going out of his way to follow a stranger must be aware of the potential for confrontations and misperceptions and avoid them. If it was me instead of Zimmerman, I think I’d be arrested for making all those 911 calls. I’d probably have some complaints about stalking as well.


145 posted on 03/25/2012 8:37:07 AM PDT by anglian
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To: moehoward
"The cut on the back of Zimmerman's head is the real tell on this."

He could have easily slipped in his gumshoees on the wet grass.

146 posted on 03/25/2012 8:39:38 AM PDT by anglian
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To: anglian
"all those 911 calls."

"All"? You mean all 10 he's made in the last year?

147 posted on 03/25/2012 8:49:17 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: TheZMan

When the truth comes out - the MSM will drop this.

When there’s a mass murder, what happens? The first thing the press does is speculate the killer is a ‘right winger’... and he never is - it’s always a radical Muslim.

Then the MSM labels the killer a ‘lone wolf’ even if the guy is screaming allah akbar and telling the world he’s part of AlQaeda? They hate us. They protect Muslims, blacks, gays, criminals, gang members, drug addicts,etc, etc.... We’re the ONLY people the MSM hates - middle class working, traditional Americans.

When the press has to eat crow, they don’t. They just get quiet and move on. They never apologize - and they won’t on this one either.


148 posted on 03/25/2012 8:54:26 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: TheZMan

This is a link to elite journalist taking when they don’t know a conservative is in the room taping. It’ll make you sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080


149 posted on 03/25/2012 8:56:06 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Salamander

Indeed. And the converese picture of Zimmerman clubbing baby seals to death.


150 posted on 03/25/2012 9:43:49 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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