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Trayvon Martin Killing: Friend Tells ABC News Howls on 911 Tapes Belong to Zimmerman, Not Martin
ABC News ^ | Saturday March 24, 2012 | Matt Gutman and Olivia Katrandjian

Posted on 03/24/2012 9:51:42 PM PDT by kristinn

A friend of George Zimmerman, the man who shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla., told ABC News today that the voice heard howling on the tape of a 911 call was Zimmerman's, not the teen's.

The man, a black friend of the family who spoke to Zimmerman tonight, told ABC News that Zimmerman was weeping for days after the shooting, which sparked protests across the country, and he insisted that Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, is not a racist.

"We wanted to come forward because allegations of racism just aren't true. His friends speak highly of him," said attorney Greg Sonner, who has been representing Zimmerman for two weeks.

Zimmerman's friend said that the howls heard on the 911 call, which helped galvanize the nation against Zimmerman, in fact belonged to Zimmerman, not Martin.

A witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman told ABC News the same: the pleas for help were Zimmerman's.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; investigation; lawsuit; sanford; standyourground; trayvonmartin
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To: chris37

You have evidently seen pictures I have not. I don’t doubt that there are more that may bear a greater resemblance to Martin that may present him in a different light.

I certainly don’t doubt you, but how did you see them?


51 posted on 03/24/2012 11:20:28 PM PDT by berdie
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To: okie01

Yet there are those, including Zimmerman’s attorney and the author of the law, who say this does not qualify as a “stand your ground” case. It is a case of self defense.


52 posted on 03/24/2012 11:20:48 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

Thank you for the explanation.


53 posted on 03/24/2012 11:22:37 PM PDT by berdie
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To: hinckley buzzard
No, one is white and one is a female version of Ricky Ricardo. The amazing thing is, they really didn't witness anything. They've been all over the news and their story keeps changing. Basically they say they didn't hear a fight, they did hear a child crying or whining, they heard a shot and the crying stopped- therefore it had to be Trayvon crying because Zimmerman would have continued crying since he was still alive. They went outside and saw Zimmerman and asked him what happened. he told them to call the cops. Later one of them claimed Trayvon was lying face down and Zimmerman was straddling him. They're insistent Zimmerman is guilty because...they believe he is guilty. They obviously have an agenda. Watch this. It's unbelievable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cWwUAbbWnk
54 posted on 03/24/2012 11:24:07 PM PDT by Krankor (eenie meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.)
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To: PhatHead

I agree. This is far different than what is being portrayed in the msm. I’ll go out on a limb here and say “I don’t know what happened and I’ll wait for the facts” and I can also see 2 non-bad guys making slightly bad decisions and it snowballing out of control or something else entirely.
The only thing that I am sure of is that this is being used by the administration and the left to foment racial discord and possibly violence in hopes of influencing the Nov election.


55 posted on 03/24/2012 11:27:17 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Theoria

I don't even know if that's the same kid in the other photo. Lighting and shadow distorts everything.

I did find the first and third pic by searching including his middle name (or nickname). I wanted to see what he really looked like vs what the Stormfront nazis and others with an illegitimate agenda were alleging he looked like.

I also found this photobucket pic, under the userid trayvonslimmmartin:


56 posted on 03/24/2012 11:27:32 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

He seems to have a kinda Mr. Spock thing going on with his eyebrows in that pic.


57 posted on 03/24/2012 11:30:15 PM PDT by Krankor (eenie meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.)
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To: cynwoody

Would if I could.

Freerepublic took down the thread that contained the link to the Herald’s story on the doctored hoodie photo.

And by “your media” I mean the one that has apparently pushed you into saying-

“Alas, Martin was not up to snuff on his situational awareness and self-defense skills. Perhaps, if he had been, he’d be still alive, and the village would be short an idiot, shot by his own gun!”

That was a really messed up thing to say, man.

But setting that aside, don’t you find it the least bit odd that the only pictures of Martin being shown are of him as a boy?

Do you honestly believe that the boy shown in those pictures took down a 200lbs grown man, mounted him and held the mount solidy enough to smash his face and head, make him scream for help, and then resort to fatally shooting him?

Do you honestly believe that a adult 28 year old male could not sweep that boy in a jersey out of the mount?

You are aware that Martin had a facebook page, right? Do you suppose that the only pics on that page were the football jersey pics of him as a kid? Why have the pics on his facebook page been removed?

I’m sorry, but I am not stupid enough to buy that bulldozer load full of BS, cnywoody, and you shouldn’t buy it either.


58 posted on 03/24/2012 11:32:05 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Eagles6

Handcuffed and taken in for questioning certainly meeets the common-sense definition of arrest.Let a citizen hancuff someone and take them forcibly to another location for interviewing and the SWHTF ! Handcuffs make a mockery out of any claim Zimmerman was not arrested.

I’d say Zimmerman was arrested and then released with no charges filed at this time.


59 posted on 03/24/2012 11:37:14 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Krankor; chris37

I hadn’t seen or heard that, thanks and I get your point too.

There’s been a composite image file posted on FR showing a smarter dressed Zimmerman vs a rougher looking Martin. Anyone know the source ? Google throws up a zillion images but not that one so to be fair we need a source for it to see if it’s real or a fabrication.


60 posted on 03/24/2012 11:37:40 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: berdie

They were posted here last night on FR all over the place, then they were scrubbed by this morning.

I have them on my hard drive.

You need to see the one of him showing his gold teeth, which is right next to one of him still as a child proving they are of the same person, then compare that one to the one where he looks like a straight thug, and you will see that it is him. Chin, lips, moustache, nose and eyebrows are the same. He has a very distinct face.


61 posted on 03/24/2012 11:38:26 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Eagles6
The only thing that I am sure of is that this is being used by the administration and the left to foment racial discord and possibly violence in hopes of influencing the Nov election.

Well, that may turn out to be bad for Obama, but also bad for Zimmerman, because quite a few conservatives, including Beck, Santorum, Lowry (NRO) and many others have jumped on the "Zimmerman must be prosecuted" bandwagon.

That may blunt any potential political gain for Obama, but it does not serve justice.

Obama already has the race-baiters' votes. The majority, who hate both injustice and racism, are not going to blame Republicans for not caring, but they might blame Obama for any riots.

62 posted on 03/24/2012 11:38:36 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: cynwoody; gaijin; berdie; little jeremiah
Did just a bit of digging and here is the poster that the 'Hoodie' demonstrators had. It looks like an older pic of Martin to me and looks nothing like what has been posted. But I also saw an obvious photo-shopped pic of Martin on a football field and he was younger. So what do you all think?

I don't have photoshop skills but would like to see a side by side with one of the posted pics.

63 posted on 03/24/2012 11:40:34 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (The biggest Hate group in America is located in the White House, Congress & DOJ)
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To: cynwoody

Alright, excellent cnywoody. Those are the exact same gold teeth and pattern as the pic I have which is different than the one you have posted.

Chin, lips, faint moustache, nose, and eyebrows are all very distinct IMO.


64 posted on 03/24/2012 11:41:20 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: cynwoody
That photo is probably the best and most recent one I've seen. He unfortunately had a young face. No matter how old he would have grown, he would appear young.
65 posted on 03/24/2012 11:44:33 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: cynwoody

66 posted on 03/24/2012 11:45:54 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: kristinn; Travis McGee; Twink; Pelham
everyday...every hour...maybe every few minutes

somewhere in America a black man chooses a white woman to rape...something white men almost never do in reverse

or they find a white person to rob and often kill in the process

or just to beat the snot out of for nothing

their rate of violence towards whites is so much higher than the reverse it's basically incalculable

black on white crime has been an epidemic and has resulted in white deaths which dwarf everything from the time black slaves first arrived here in sheer numbers

yet no one talks about it...period...except some of us here and white supremacist or separatist groups

nobody...Newt hit it a bit...good for him

we are experiencing an ingrained black on white crime wave entrenched for generations and promoted by the culture and whites just deny it, suffer it, or whisper about it...scared

whether or not Zimmerman was wrong doesn't matter to me anymore

I want white people to wake up and grow some balls...those few of us willing to say it out loud can't do it by ourselves

and yes...that means you freepers who don't live with it like we do and judge us for it

course...lower white culture has become black pretty much...behavior wise and illegitimate births and mixing

it's a big agenda admittedly...i doubt we can retrieve everything at this point

67 posted on 03/24/2012 11:51:39 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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WTSP News, Tampa Bay:
68 posted on 03/24/2012 11:58:21 PM PDT by anglian
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To: Krankor

They didn’t see anything, and she’s a human behaviorist and knows what exactly will cause a human to start and stop crying/yelling!

Listen to this, a call from a witness to dispatch. It is blood curdling , the screams are believed to be that of Zimmerman fighting for his life over possession of the weapon.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call3.wav

The Police don’t want to talk to her because her story doesn’t add up.
This was a life and death battle, that is no child crying for help!


69 posted on 03/25/2012 12:00:03 AM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: chris37
“Alas, Martin was not up to snuff on his situational awareness and self-defense skills. Perhaps, if he had been, he’d be still alive, and the village would be short an idiot, shot by his own gun!”

That was a really messed up thing to say, man.

Well, given that Zimmerman was the aggressor, unjustified, I have to say, the outcome was suboptimal.

Optimum, obviously, would be, it never happened. But the actual outcome was undoubtedly pessimal.

70 posted on 03/25/2012 12:00:54 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: hoosierham

I agree.


71 posted on 03/25/2012 12:05:28 AM PDT by Eagles6
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To: cynwoody

I cannot agree that Zimmerman was the aggressor based upon some accounts that I have heard that Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle, had broken off any sort of pursuit when he was suddenly attacked by Martin.

However, there is no way for me to be sure of that at this time of course.

But yeah, it would have been so very much better had this not have happened...what an unbelievable mess.

Sadly, it has become very plain to me that the media of this country, including conservative media, is driving this full speed, including using outright deception, while other forces are intentionally whipping people into a murderous frenzy, and on top of all that you have a president trying to make this about himself with his idiotic statement.

I have never seen anything like this in my entire life.

I’m just going to stick with what I said last evening- what a pathetic illustration of our society this entire debacle is.


72 posted on 03/25/2012 12:08:40 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Krankor

Don’t we have some kind of weird technology at hand we could use to know for sure...oh, I dunno...maybe like _voice analysis_?


73 posted on 03/25/2012 12:12:12 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: PhatHead

Yeah, but he is desperate and can’t run on his record so he needs something. It is disappointing that so many so called “conservatives” have drunk the Kool aid but, then again, I turned them off a while ago. I do hope Santorum wises up.


74 posted on 03/25/2012 12:13:36 AM PDT by Eagles6
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To: TsonicTsunami08

That is frightening and it’s obviously no child. Zimmerman sounds terrified. Once it’s proven to be him, you won’t hear any more about it.


75 posted on 03/25/2012 12:17:41 AM PDT by Krankor (eenie meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.)
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To: Outlaw Woman
This'll probably get pulled but every time I see a gang wearing hoodies, I think of The Omega Man.


76 posted on 03/25/2012 12:18:17 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: Salamander

I’m betting there has to be some kind of technology. But the really strange thing, Trayvon’s parents have to know that’s not their son screaming. I think it’s come to the point they’ll say or do anything to get Zimmerman.


77 posted on 03/25/2012 12:24:45 AM PDT by Krankor (eenie meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.)
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To: Outlaw Woman

My eyes tell me that these are differing images. The last one makes him appear much lighter, his eyebrows are thinner, and his moustache is fainter. If you google "Trayvon Martin hoodie, the image from the herald will also pop up in which he appears much darker, however the link to the story is 404, but yet the pic remains in google. These images will self destruct before I wake up tomorrow morning.

78 posted on 03/25/2012 12:25:19 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: wardaddy

Yeah, sad thing is that I’m afraid to agree with you on an open forum ‘cause it may come back to haunt me. Oh well. We can at least remember the names: Ryan Hacke, Channon Christian, Christopher Newsom, Susan Best, Jill Creighton, Dana Plakis, Arron Land, Brian Muha, Valerie Johnson, Andrea Nance, Jason Befort, Aaron Sander, Heather Muller, Brad Heyka, Ron Demorest, Tyler Douglass, Kevin Cecil, Jack Cotter...just to name a few.


79 posted on 03/25/2012 12:29:51 AM PDT by Eagles6
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To: chris37
I cannot agree that Zimmerman was the aggressor based upon some accounts that I have heard that Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle, had broken off any sort of pursuit when he was suddenly attacked by Martin.

So far, the only source I've seen for that version is Zimmerman himself.

All the other accounts come in mid-battle, after Martin had achieved superiority and before Zimmerman invoked the nuclear option. There is no independent witness as to who initiated the violence.

The guilty or not guilty verdict depends on who started the violent confrontation. Given the evidence so far, I think, if I were on the jury, I'd have to walk Zimmerman, albeit reluctantly. It comes down to the difference between "preponderance" and "beyond a reasonable doubt".

80 posted on 03/25/2012 12:30:57 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: kristinn

ABC news is finally reporting the facts that were available almost a month ago that help Zimmerman after they and their Corrupt Media cohorts have fanned the flames into a National Lynch Mob.

Maybe they realized that they will come out eventually and now are just trying to CYA to limit the damage that they have done to their credibility with the sheeple.


81 posted on 03/25/2012 12:40:20 AM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: Salamander

I was thinking about those stupid hoodies today....and how can we stop the kids from wearing them???!!??

Aha!

All middle age women (and men if you care to join in)...and older folk too....start wearing them.

All. The. Time.

Sure way to get rid of THAT fad....


82 posted on 03/25/2012 12:40:47 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Krankor

http://www.voiceanalysistech.com/

Sounds like an older man yelling, not a kid, to me.

We were on the way to Tractor & Supply one afternoon and a ruckus started on the sidewalk.

A gang of girls of color had come out of KMart, where they’d fled from the McDonald’s employees whom they’d just assaulted.

While in KMart they decided to shoplift some stuff and were followed out by store security as the cops were already called and coming.

Suddenly more cops than I’ve seen in one place all swooped in and leapt out of their cars.

By this time, we were enthralled by what was going down.

The cops asked them standard questions about the complaints against them and the girls were the most foul mouthed belligerent bunch of ‘young ladies’ I’ve ever seen.

After about 10 minutes of this psycho-circus, one of the girls attacked the officer who was questioning her.

I don’t mean “slapped”; I mean full bore punching, kicking and scratching.

Bless his heart, he stayed calm and the other officers helped him get her cuffed and into the cruiser.

They then rounded up the rest of the pack and put them in the other cars.

A few minutes passed and a black woman came roaring up in her car, jumped out and started screaming at the top of her lungs.
[arbitrary racist/excessive force/profiling jazz]

She came up to us and asked if we’d seen any police brutality.

Hubby said “Sure did. One big vicious rip went really brutal on a cop.”

Apparently that was her daughter because she really let loose with a barrage of her vile opinion of us.

We gave our statements to the cops, along with the other 20 or so witnesses who were watching and they were still screaming, kicking and shrieking in the cruisers when we left.

If I’d ever acted that way towards LEOs, my dad would’ve crucified me, himself.


83 posted on 03/25/2012 12:44:07 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: Brad's Gramma

I wear one...but it’s from Hot Topic and is gray with black, screaming skulls all over it.

:)

[it kinda matches my sneakers]


84 posted on 03/25/2012 12:45:57 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: Outlaw Woman

I don’t think I’ll give an opinion at this point.

Pictures are so manipulated in this day and time. But these seem to resemble Martin more than some of the others.

There is no doubt, however, that the picture of the young Martin is being presented to create sympathy. Of course he was more mature when this all took place.


85 posted on 03/25/2012 12:46:40 AM PDT by berdie
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To: Salamander

The original hoodies!!

(And a really good movie)


86 posted on 03/25/2012 12:48:47 AM PDT by berdie
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To: chris37

I’m waiting for a photo where he’s wearing a Boy Scout uniform and helping a blind kitten cross the street.

[Mike Tyson has a “baby face” too and he can mess people up real good]


87 posted on 03/25/2012 12:49:38 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: Salamander

Gramps wears one when his ears get cold. :)

A boring gray color.

He looks like a dork, proving my theory of how to get rid of the fad. :)

I’m going with black. BLACK!


88 posted on 03/25/2012 12:50:33 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: berdie

Excellent flick...*far* superior to the warm & fuzzy “I Am Legend” remake.

Heston ~still~ rules.


89 posted on 03/25/2012 12:52:45 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: kristinn

Maybe, but why would an unarmed kid attack a guy with a firearm? Sorry but that is extremely implausible.


90 posted on 03/25/2012 12:54:07 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Duke lacrosse


91 posted on 03/25/2012 12:57:39 AM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Get a 9mm and you too can be a self-appointed member of your local Neighborhood Hoodie Watch Program and violate all of the central tenets of the Neighborhood Watch Program policies like Zimmerman!


92 posted on 03/25/2012 12:58:01 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Brad's Gramma

Hubby wears black ones.

Makes him look like a Satanist.

LOL


93 posted on 03/25/2012 12:59:02 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: Salamander

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............I’d rather Gramps looks like a dork than that alternative. ;)


94 posted on 03/25/2012 1:00:51 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Havisham

He had a CC license.

Has anyone testified that he showed the weapon prior to being beaten?


95 posted on 03/25/2012 1:01:33 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Different strokes, I reckon....

;-D


96 posted on 03/25/2012 1:05:25 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Hoods in general seem to really accentuate his rather evil looks.

;D

[it's even worse now than he has long goatee that he often braids]

97 posted on 03/25/2012 1:09:03 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: Salamander

Wait until you hear Trayvon’s girlfriend. She’s not what you’d call an eloquent speaker.


98 posted on 03/25/2012 1:11:00 AM PDT by Krankor (eenie meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.)
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To: Krankor

I would rather hear chalkboards mating, thanks.

I’ll pass.

:)


99 posted on 03/25/2012 1:17:10 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: Salamander

Oh for Pete’s sake, he does NOT look evil! He’s just having a great time chopping off your head.

Wait.

:)


100 posted on 03/25/2012 1:19:48 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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