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Would a Rubio VP run force Obama to prove he is a Natural Born Citizen? (Vanity)
March 25, 2012 | no dems

Posted on 03/25/2012 4:24:33 PM PDT by no dems

Another FReeper, on another thread, made a great observation regarding a possibility of Marco Rubio being on the GOP Ticket in 2012. And, I quote:

“Public speculation about his potential for Veep consideration would, in a sane world, bring attention to Obummer’s lack of natural-born citizenship. And if he was not qualified four years ago...”

Wow....that is a great observation. If Rubio is on the Ticket, and his “Natural Born Citizenship” status is questioned, that would open up a demand for a show of proof that Obama is a N-B-C. His fake “record of live birth” that he produced is not sufficient. Talk about a “catch-22” situation for Obama and Co. Oh yeah; that’s what I’m talking about. And, I know that this will not set well with the “birthers” but as for me, I want to see Rubio get the VP nod, now, more than ever. Not to mention the fact that he could help the GOP with their Hispanic vote deficit, he’d also carry Florida; and whoever carries Florida, wins the White House.


TOPICS: US: Florida; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: birther; florida; kenyanbornmuzzie; mittromney; naturalborncitizen; newtgingrich; ricksantorum; rubio
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1 posted on 03/25/2012 4:24:45 PM PDT by no dems
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To: no dems

Comments????


2 posted on 03/25/2012 4:26:13 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: no dems

You aren’t crazy. Just naive.

1. Our “media” is terrified of the FCC and the Administration. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC and CBS will not investigate or report. Fox will a little, until Rupert gets a call from Obama’s people.

2. Half the country is brainwashed to think that any criticism of Obama is racism and racism is bad.

Don’t waste your time. “Country Joe” Stalin has been reborn as “Urban Barry” Obama.


3 posted on 03/25/2012 4:30:33 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: no dems

No.


4 posted on 03/25/2012 4:31:29 PM PDT by sport
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To: no dems

Rubio paired with either Newt or Rick might have positive advantages.

Their ain’t anything that is going to rescue a Romney ticket.

The media and Obama are salivating at the prospect of being able to use Romney’s Progressive Liberal record against him.


5 posted on 03/25/2012 4:33:46 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: no dems
If Rubio is on the Ticket, and his “Natural Born Citizenship” status is questioned, that would open up a demand for a show of proof that Obama is a N-B-C.

Not necessarily.
When John McCain ran against Obama for president ,right away McCain was challenged by the press as not being a natural born citizen because McCain was born in Panama. The same standard was not applied to Obama as we well know. - tom

6 posted on 03/25/2012 4:34:34 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: no dems

No - only Rubio docs would be checked.

End the DNC’s war on Hispanics.


7 posted on 03/25/2012 4:34:34 PM PDT by NoLibZone (When will Obama call Trayvon's mom? He was quick to call Sandra Fluke.)
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To: Capt. Tom

Well, John McCain was a bit different. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone, when that zone was an American possession, of American citizen parents.


8 posted on 03/25/2012 4:37:48 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: whitedog57

I agree with your points. Except you need to replace “Country Joe” with “Chicago Joe”


9 posted on 03/25/2012 4:39:06 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: no dems

Romney’s father was born in Mexico , does that put him and Obama in the same boat


10 posted on 03/25/2012 4:39:16 PM PDT by molson209
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To: no dems

The GOP is in on the game.


11 posted on 03/25/2012 4:40:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Capt. Tom
Wrong, McCain had the senate pass a sense of the senate statement saying he was able to run. No one contested it.
12 posted on 03/25/2012 4:43:23 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: no dems
No dems - that party as it is currently constituted needs to be destroyed (figuratively). Let's go back to the days of Kennedy, Hubert Humphrey, and “Scoop” Jackson.
13 posted on 03/25/2012 4:45:19 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Well, John McCain was a bit different. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone, when that zone was an American possession, of American citizen parents.

Don't miss my point here.
McCain was obviously a natural born citizen as both parents were US citizens and his father was serving in the Military, and that's why he was born outside the country.

My point is the Press had the gall to go down that road with McCain, but looked the other way with Obama, when there were plenty of red flags about Obama's actual birth.

The Press showed no interest in pursuing Obama's birth, and then focused their attention into investigating the Palins right down through their children and into the children's sex life. - Tom

14 posted on 03/25/2012 4:51:17 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: Capt. Tom
The same standard was not applied to Obama as we well know

By this time I hope that everyone realizes there is one standard of conduct/morality for Conservatives and the exact opposite standard for liberals. The media will never mix them up. MEVE EVER - they have the 4th Estate protection. Lying is in their blood, they have no morals so they can never ever be criticized of being hypocritical.
15 posted on 03/25/2012 4:51:21 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: no dems
No, I don't think it would help the case ( you never know)

I don't think that any conservative that gets on Romney's ticket will even help him. Me thinks it would be politically damaging to that person. Look how Palin even had damage to her credibility from some of her strongest supporters for endorsing McCain. People look to her to be independent vs giving respect. I was let down she did that. If she or Marco helps Romney ticket, their political future will be tarnished since many conservatives are very committed to their distrust of Romney. I pray she does not do it-she will have a hard time running for president. She needs all conservatives behind her. Imo.

16 posted on 03/25/2012 4:51:32 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: no dems

Sorry, but if Rubio’s parents were not American citizens at the time of his birth, he is not a natural born citizen and thus not eligible to be Vice President or President.

If someone tries to nominate him as the vice presidential candidate, some delegate to the convention needs to raise this. Let’s not be hypocrites and help further erode the Constitution. If they still want to have him as the VP candidate, they need to IMMEDIATELY RAISE THE NBC QUESTION TO THE SUPREME COURT. No more heads-in-the-sand please.


17 posted on 03/25/2012 4:52:24 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: NoLibZone

End the DNC’s war on Hispanics.
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I like that. Let’s spread the word.


18 posted on 03/25/2012 4:54:02 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: molson209

Romney’s father was born in Mexico , does that put him and Obama in the same boat
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I dunno. Good question.


19 posted on 03/25/2012 4:56:17 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: molson209
That issue was raised when George Romney ran for President in the 1960s. George Romney's parents were US citizens so he should be a "natural born citizen" even though born outside the confines of the US.

As far as how the term "natural born citizen" would have been understood in 1787, it seems that a key requirement was that the parents (or at least the father) of the child were citizens at the time of the birth. So Obama does not qualify even if he was born in Hawaii--but neither does Rubio even though he was born in the US.

My theory is that the birth certificate that has been released is a fake not because the real one would show that Obama was born in Kenya but because of other information which would be damaging to him.

20 posted on 03/25/2012 4:58:50 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: no dems

The Dem groups know no hypocrisy. They would come out of the wood work for Rubio while ignoring Obama’s lack of eligibility.


21 posted on 03/25/2012 5:00:56 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: org.whodat
Wrong, McCain had the senate pass a sense of the senate statement saying he was able to run. No one contested it. Your wrong. Read about it here: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=pfwc&gs_nf=1&cp=15&gs_id=1o&xhr=t&q=imes+mccain+birthplace&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=imes+mccain+bir&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=dcfb21c058468efb&biw=926&bih=595
22 posted on 03/25/2012 5:01:38 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: House Atreides

Ref. your Post #17: That’s all well and good. But, if Rubio was chosen as the GOP nominee for VP, and whether or not he is a NBC was challenged, it could force Obama to prove that he too is a NBC as well; or I think all hell would break loose in this nation.


23 posted on 03/25/2012 5:02:04 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: no dems

There is no such thing as the Hispanic vote. The term was invented by the dems, and refers to Mexicans, the largest Latino group in the US. Rubio is Cuban - the other Latinos won’t vote for him.


24 posted on 03/25/2012 5:03:26 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: no dems

No.


25 posted on 03/25/2012 5:04:36 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Verginius Rufus; All
Verginius Rufus said:

My theory is that the birth certificate that has been released is a fake not because the real one would show that Obama was born in Kenya but because of other information which would be damaging to him.

Man, it is so frustrating to me that nothing is being done about this. We've always been taught that we are "a nation of laws; not of men". Now, is that longer true? What in the hell is going on? Can nothing be done about this? Do we have no recourse? YES; I'M FRUSTRATED!!!
26 posted on 03/25/2012 5:07:11 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: kabumpo

Rubio is Cuban - the other Latinos won’t vote for him.
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I’m not so sure about that. Not sure what State you’re in, but I’m in Texas. We have a few Mexicans here. And, Rubio is very popular among the Mexicans who are politically astute. I’ve been a political junkie since childhood and you can trust me on this one.


27 posted on 03/25/2012 5:11:08 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: no dems

“.....if Rubio was chosen as the GOP nominee for VP, and whether or not he is a NBC was challenged, it could force Obama to prove that he too is a NBC as well.....”
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I’m not buying it. Having the Republicans put Rubio on the ticket would simply FIRMLY place the Republican establishment in “nothing here, move on” mode.

I’m placing whatever little hope I have in this matter with Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his cold case posse. They are among the dwindling number of American patriots with any guts at all.


28 posted on 03/25/2012 5:22:08 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: no dems

Doesn’t matter...Paul Ryan is thinking about it :))))


29 posted on 03/25/2012 5:37:11 PM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (Conservatism: "It's either there or it isn't.")
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To: no dems

I inhabit a Hispanic subculture, and I know from a lot of sad experience that all the other groups hate Cubans (for having left paradise)


30 posted on 03/25/2012 5:38:07 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: no dems

From what I have read, Rubio, Santorum and Romney are all on the same questionable “Natural Born Citizen” boat.


31 posted on 03/25/2012 5:50:11 PM PDT by bondserv (Regarding Mitt Romney: I could not warm up to this guy if we were cremated together.)
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To: no dems
People, please do your own research on what the courts and the regulations have established with respect to "U.S. Citizenship", and don't take what is undoubtably and clearly SPECULATIVE OPINION that is being bandied about regarding the TERM... "natural born citizen".

Here, I will save everyone the trouble:

1. There is ONLY. I repeat ONLY, two types of "citizenship" status in this country that carry LEGAL weight in this country:

1. U.S. Citizen by BIRTH / "born under the jurisdiction of the United States"

or...

2. U.S. Citizen by NATURALIZATION

There is no "third" category of "CITIZENSHIP" like "Natural Born" citizen. You are either ONE (a U.S. Citizen by Birth) or the OTHER (a U.S. Citizen that has been Naturalized).

You can debate the issue of "Natural Born" under the Constitution all you want (much like how many angels can dance on a pin's head), but if a person was BORN in this country and their parents were not diplomats or other recognized government officials from a foreign country", CURRENTLY, they are legally a U.S. Citizen. It doesn't matter if both parent were here on a vacation from Jupiter, the person born here will be considered a U.S. Citizen under the laws of this country (look it up).

The Obama situation is clearly a "situation" if it can be proven that he was NOT BORN in the USA. If you can't prove that, there is no case! Period. I doesn't matter if his father was from North Korea or Saudi Arabia. If he was born in the USA, he is a U.S. Citizen by Birth!

If Marco Rubio was born in the USA, and his parents were here on vacation, he is "U.S. Citizen by Birth". Period! The guy can run for any office in the land!

32 posted on 03/25/2012 6:00:25 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: LibFreeUSA
Maybe you should pass your opinion on to the US State Department,,,

U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 -

Consular Affairs

7 FAM 1131.6 Nature of Citizenship Acquired by Birth Abroad to U.S. Citizen Parents

7 FAM 1131.6-1 Status Generally

(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)

Persons born abroad who acquire U.S. citizenship at birth by statute generally have the same rights and are subject to the same obligations as citizens born in the United States who acquire citizenship pursuant to the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. One exception is that they may be subject to citizenship retention requirements.

7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency

(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)

a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural-born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.

b. Section 1, Article II, of the Constitution states, in relevant part that ―No Person except a natural born Citizen...shall be eligible for the Office of President.‖

c. The Constitution does not define "natural born". The ―Act to establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization‖, enacted March 26, 1790, (1 Stat. 103,104) provided that, ―...the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born ... out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.

d. This statute is no longer operative, however, and its formula is not included in modern nationality statutes. In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf

33 posted on 03/25/2012 6:16:47 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: House Atreides; All

I’m placing whatever little hope I have in this matter with Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his cold case posse.
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What’s the latest on that? Anybody know?


34 posted on 03/25/2012 6:21:55 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

“People, please do your own research on what the courts and the regulations have established with respect to “U.S. Citizenship”, and don’t take what is undoubtably and clearly SPECULATIVE OPINION that is being bandied about regarding the TERM... “natural born citizen”.”
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Maybe, just maybe, YOU should do some more research. Maybe, just maybe, what YOU are bandying about is the SPECULATIVE OPINION. As to some of us, we would like to see a Supreme Court ruling as to what “natural born citizen” means with respect to the office of the US Presidency. We think we know what it meant to the Founders.

And no, I don’t think you’ll cow us into “just move along, nothing here” mode. You can stay there with your head planted in the sand if you want.


35 posted on 03/25/2012 6:22:38 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: MadelineZapeezda

Doesn’t matter...Paul Ryan is thinking about it :))))
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I’d love to see an Open Convention and the GOP leave Tampa with a Ryan / Rubio Ticket.


36 posted on 03/25/2012 6:23:10 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

If Marco Rubio was born in the USA, and his parents were here on vacation, he is “U.S. Citizen by Birth”. Period! The guy can run for any office in the land!
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Thank you!


37 posted on 03/25/2012 6:24:50 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: no dems
Problem is, two wrongs don't make a right! Don't get me wrong! Rubio is one of the last best hopes America has, but if his parents were not citizens at his birth, he's ineligible....as I understand it. On the other hand, the specter of Bowbama squirming to prove his citizenship is enticing!
38 posted on 03/25/2012 6:25:59 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: House Atreides
You are wrong. If Rubio was born in the United States, then he is a Natural Born Citizen. No Jus Sanguis in my country!
39 posted on 03/25/2012 6:30:55 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

so what does under the jusrisdiction mean? The child of two illegal aliens from North Korea if born in the USA is a US citizen, and eligible to run for the presidency? Do you have any limits? By statute a foundling of unknown parentage found in the US under age 5 (iirc)is a US citizen at birth is that okay too?


40 posted on 03/25/2012 6:37:10 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: no dems

Questions in 2008 about McCain’s eligibility produced no such compulsions to expose Obama as you suggest.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, but that’s the precedent you’re suggesting.


41 posted on 03/25/2012 6:41:45 PM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: no dems

Almost a Dream Ticket


42 posted on 03/25/2012 6:47:03 PM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (Conservatism: "It's either there or it isn't.")
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To: no dems

I think it’s an interesing thesis and I’d be fascinated to see what happened.

Makes me want to chant, Rubio for President!


43 posted on 03/25/2012 6:50:10 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: no dems
Crazy like fox.

Neither of the Rubio parents was a citizen at the time of the blessed event. This is a shabby attempt to use the Mombasa MF as a precedent ... for himself and for whomsoever the GOP establishment cares to select to lose to him.

Say, I too have a crazy idea! Why doesn't the SCOTUS get its lazy black-robed bottom off its high horse and agree to hear the next case on eligibility that comes before it.

You want to know all there is to know about Constitutional eligibility? Read Donofrio's Amicus Brief to the "Disappointment in Georgia."

44 posted on 03/25/2012 6:50:53 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: molson209

None of them are in the same boat. Obama is the only one who hates America and everything she stands for.


45 posted on 03/25/2012 6:52:01 PM PDT by jersey117 (The Stepford Media should be sued for malpractice)
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To: LibFreeUSA
If Marco Rubio was born in the USA, and his parents were here on vacation, he is "U.S. Citizen by Birth". Period! The guy can run for any office in the land!

You are entitled to you incorrect opinion, but please....answer this......

Why do the qualification requirements for the Presidency include the term "Natural Born Citizen"...... and the other elective offices do not?

I'll give you a clue. It's because the terms "Natural Born Citizen" and "Citizen" are different. If you recall....at the signing of the documents (1787) there were no Naturalized Citizens in residence yet. So right here.....reading the Constitution....we are informed there will be at least a minimum of three types of Citizenship.

Shortly after the ratification of the document.... people from abroad began applying for citizenship. They were then called "Naturalized Citizens" after taking the oath. But folks who were born in this country to these new citizens (prior to them taking the oath) were called "Citizens" only..... as their parents were not citizens at the time of their birth.

[Article II Section I] No person except a "natural born Citizen", or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.

[Article I section II] No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

[Article I Section III] No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio and Rick Santorum are not "Natural Born Citizens" because their parents were not Citizens at the time of their Births. George Romney (Mitt's father) was born abroad......but to U.S. Citizens living in Mexico who had not repudiated their citizenship.....so Mitt, according to the Naturalization Act of 1790.... is considered a "Natural Born Citizen" as was his father, George.

Here's the pertinent paragraph of the Act:

........And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States

Here is another section of the Naturalization Acts of 1790:

.....And the children of such persons so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty-one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States.

What does this mean? It means that children (born in this country) of alien parents are not "Natural Born Citizens".....they are just plain old citizens who cannot seek the office of the presidency. They can become Senators and Representatives.....and even Supreme Court Justices......but they gotta stay out of the White House!

46 posted on 03/25/2012 7:02:03 PM PDT by Diego1618 ( Put "Ron" on the rock!)
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To: no dems

Arpaio said he would be giving an update on March 31. Can’t remember where I heard it.

googled arpaio update march 31

http://obamaballotchallenge.com/second-arpaio-news-conference-planned-531


47 posted on 03/25/2012 7:04:37 PM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: no dems
Would a Rubio VP run force Obama to prove he is a Natural Born Citizen?

It would accomplish just what the commie Democrats want, what the commie RINOs want, and apparently what you want.

No amount of paper is going to "prove" that either Obama, Rubio, or Jindal are Natural Born Citizens, because neither of them are, and this fact is already known about all three.

None of the three were "born in the country to parents who were both themselves citizens at the time of birth".

Neither are anchor babies. Neither are the half-alien children of someone who took a foreign spouse, and who were born while one parent was not a US citizen. Neither are people who have dual citizenship with any other nation in the world.

Shred the US Constitution a little at a time, and it will mean less and less. Ignore this clause; usurp that one; twist this or that piece out of shape in the courts and public opinion; eventually you will have rendered it totally meaningless and useless as a blueprint for the structure of US government.

So here we are already. The US government, as a union of the several states, exists only as a contract between the states and between the people of those states. Destroy that contract, and the USA is only a figment of the imagination of the thugs who will insist on holding it together at the force of gunpoint.

48 posted on 03/25/2012 7:16:58 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: no dems

As I understand it, we the people do not have the standing to get the Supreme Court to hear the case concerning Obama’s eligibility.

Question: If Rubio is chosen as the GOP nominee for VP, would he himself have standing to request a ruling in his case?


49 posted on 03/25/2012 7:53:01 PM PDT by Mr.Fox
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