Skip to comments.Would a Rubio VP run force Obama to prove he is a Natural Born Citizen? (Vanity)
Posted on 03/25/2012 4:24:33 PM PDT by no dems
Another FReeper, on another thread, made a great observation regarding a possibility of Marco Rubio being on the GOP Ticket in 2012. And, I quote:
Public speculation about his potential for Veep consideration would, in a sane world, bring attention to Obummers lack of natural-born citizenship. And if he was not qualified four years ago...
Wow....that is a great observation. If Rubio is on the Ticket, and his Natural Born Citizenship status is questioned, that would open up a demand for a show of proof that Obama is a N-B-C. His fake record of live birth that he produced is not sufficient. Talk about a catch-22 situation for Obama and Co. Oh yeah; thats what Im talking about. And, I know that this will not set well with the birthers but as for me, I want to see Rubio get the VP nod, now, more than ever. Not to mention the fact that he could help the GOP with their Hispanic vote deficit, hed also carry Florida; and whoever carries Florida, wins the White House.
You aren’t crazy. Just naive.
1. Our “media” is terrified of the FCC and the Administration. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC and CBS will not investigate or report. Fox will a little, until Rupert gets a call from Obama’s people.
2. Half the country is brainwashed to think that any criticism of Obama is racism and racism is bad.
Don’t waste your time. “Country Joe” Stalin has been reborn as “Urban Barry” Obama.
Rubio paired with either Newt or Rick might have positive advantages.
Their ain’t anything that is going to rescue a Romney ticket.
The media and Obama are salivating at the prospect of being able to use Romney’s Progressive Liberal record against him.
When John McCain ran against Obama for president ,right away McCain was challenged by the press as not being a natural born citizen because McCain was born in Panama. The same standard was not applied to Obama as we well know. - tom
No - only Rubio docs would be checked.
End the DNC’s war on Hispanics.
Well, John McCain was a bit different. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone, when that zone was an American possession, of American citizen parents.
I agree with your points. Except you need to replace “Country Joe” with “Chicago Joe”
Romney’s father was born in Mexico , does that put him and Obama in the same boat
The GOP is in on the game.
Don't miss my point here.
McCain was obviously a natural born citizen as both parents were US citizens and his father was serving in the Military, and that's why he was born outside the country.
My point is the Press had the gall to go down that road with McCain, but looked the other way with Obama, when there were plenty of red flags about Obama's actual birth.
The Press showed no interest in pursuing Obama's birth, and then focused their attention into investigating the Palins right down through their children and into the children's sex life. - Tom
I don't think that any conservative that gets on Romney's ticket will even help him. Me thinks it would be politically damaging to that person. Look how Palin even had damage to her credibility from some of her strongest supporters for endorsing McCain. People look to her to be independent vs giving respect. I was let down she did that. If she or Marco helps Romney ticket, their political future will be tarnished since many conservatives are very committed to their distrust of Romney. I pray she does not do it-she will have a hard time running for president. She needs all conservatives behind her. Imo.
Sorry, but if Rubio’s parents were not American citizens at the time of his birth, he is not a natural born citizen and thus not eligible to be Vice President or President.
If someone tries to nominate him as the vice presidential candidate, some delegate to the convention needs to raise this. Let’s not be hypocrites and help further erode the Constitution. If they still want to have him as the VP candidate, they need to IMMEDIATELY RAISE THE NBC QUESTION TO THE SUPREME COURT. No more heads-in-the-sand please.
End the DNCs war on Hispanics.
I like that. Let’s spread the word.
Romneys father was born in Mexico , does that put him and Obama in the same boat
I dunno. Good question.
As far as how the term "natural born citizen" would have been understood in 1787, it seems that a key requirement was that the parents (or at least the father) of the child were citizens at the time of the birth. So Obama does not qualify even if he was born in Hawaii--but neither does Rubio even though he was born in the US.
My theory is that the birth certificate that has been released is a fake not because the real one would show that Obama was born in Kenya but because of other information which would be damaging to him.
The Dem groups know no hypocrisy. They would come out of the wood work for Rubio while ignoring Obama’s lack of eligibility.
Ref. your Post #17: That’s all well and good. But, if Rubio was chosen as the GOP nominee for VP, and whether or not he is a NBC was challenged, it could force Obama to prove that he too is a NBC as well; or I think all hell would break loose in this nation.
There is no such thing as the Hispanic vote. The term was invented by the dems, and refers to Mexicans, the largest Latino group in the US. Rubio is Cuban - the other Latinos won’t vote for him.
Rubio is Cuban - the other Latinos wont vote for him.
I’m not so sure about that. Not sure what State you’re in, but I’m in Texas. We have a few Mexicans here. And, Rubio is very popular among the Mexicans who are politically astute. I’ve been a political junkie since childhood and you can trust me on this one.
“.....if Rubio was chosen as the GOP nominee for VP, and whether or not he is a NBC was challenged, it could force Obama to prove that he too is a NBC as well.....”
I’m not buying it. Having the Republicans put Rubio on the ticket would simply FIRMLY place the Republican establishment in “nothing here, move on” mode.
I’m placing whatever little hope I have in this matter with Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his cold case posse. They are among the dwindling number of American patriots with any guts at all.
Doesn’t matter...Paul Ryan is thinking about it :))))
I inhabit a Hispanic subculture, and I know from a lot of sad experience that all the other groups hate Cubans (for having left paradise)
From what I have read, Rubio, Santorum and Romney are all on the same questionable “Natural Born Citizen” boat.
Here, I will save everyone the trouble:
1. There is ONLY. I repeat ONLY, two types of "citizenship" status in this country that carry LEGAL weight in this country:
1. U.S. Citizen by BIRTH / "born under the jurisdiction of the United States"
2. U.S. Citizen by NATURALIZATION
There is no "third" category of "CITIZENSHIP" like "Natural Born" citizen. You are either ONE (a U.S. Citizen by Birth) or the OTHER (a U.S. Citizen that has been Naturalized).
You can debate the issue of "Natural Born" under the Constitution all you want (much like how many angels can dance on a pin's head), but if a person was BORN in this country and their parents were not diplomats or other recognized government officials from a foreign country", CURRENTLY, they are legally a U.S. Citizen. It doesn't matter if both parent were here on a vacation from Jupiter, the person born here will be considered a U.S. Citizen under the laws of this country (look it up).
The Obama situation is clearly a "situation" if it can be proven that he was NOT BORN in the USA. If you can't prove that, there is no case! Period. I doesn't matter if his father was from North Korea or Saudi Arabia. If he was born in the USA, he is a U.S. Citizen by Birth!
If Marco Rubio was born in the USA, and his parents were here on vacation, he is "U.S. Citizen by Birth". Period! The guy can run for any office in the land!
U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 -
7 FAM 1131.6 Nature of Citizenship Acquired by Birth Abroad to U.S. Citizen Parents
7 FAM 1131.6-1 Status Generally
Persons born abroad who acquire U.S. citizenship at birth by statute generally have the same rights and are subject to the same obligations as citizens born in the United States who acquire citizenship pursuant to the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. One exception is that they may be subject to citizenship retention requirements.
7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency
a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural-born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
b. Section 1, Article II, of the Constitution states, in relevant part that ―No Person except a natural born Citizen...shall be eligible for the Office of President.‖
c. The Constitution does not define "natural born". The ―Act to establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization‖, enacted March 26, 1790, (1 Stat. 103,104) provided that, ―...the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born ... out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.
d. This statute is no longer operative, however, and its formula is not included in modern nationality statutes. In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.
Im placing whatever little hope I have in this matter with Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his cold case posse.
What’s the latest on that? Anybody know?
“People, please do your own research on what the courts and the regulations have established with respect to “U.S. Citizenship”, and don’t take what is undoubtably and clearly SPECULATIVE OPINION that is being bandied about regarding the TERM... “natural born citizen”.”
Maybe, just maybe, YOU should do some more research. Maybe, just maybe, what YOU are bandying about is the SPECULATIVE OPINION. As to some of us, we would like to see a Supreme Court ruling as to what “natural born citizen” means with respect to the office of the US Presidency. We think we know what it meant to the Founders.
And no, I don’t think you’ll cow us into “just move along, nothing here” mode. You can stay there with your head planted in the sand if you want.
Doesnt matter...Paul Ryan is thinking about it :))))
I’d love to see an Open Convention and the GOP leave Tampa with a Ryan / Rubio Ticket.
If Marco Rubio was born in the USA, and his parents were here on vacation, he is “U.S. Citizen by Birth”. Period! The guy can run for any office in the land!
so what does under the jusrisdiction mean? The child of two illegal aliens from North Korea if born in the USA is a US citizen, and eligible to run for the presidency? Do you have any limits? By statute a foundling of unknown parentage found in the US under age 5 (iirc)is a US citizen at birth is that okay too?
Questions in 2008 about McCain’s eligibility produced no such compulsions to expose Obama as you suggest.
Two wrongs don’t make a right, but that’s the precedent you’re suggesting.
Almost a Dream Ticket
I think it’s an interesing thesis and I’d be fascinated to see what happened.
Makes me want to chant, Rubio for President!
Neither of the Rubio parents was a citizen at the time of the blessed event. This is a shabby attempt to use the Mombasa MF as a precedent ... for himself and for whomsoever the GOP establishment cares to select to lose to him.
Say, I too have a crazy idea! Why doesn't the SCOTUS get its lazy black-robed bottom off its high horse and agree to hear the next case on eligibility that comes before it.
You want to know all there is to know about Constitutional eligibility? Read Donofrio's Amicus Brief to the "Disappointment in Georgia."
None of them are in the same boat. Obama is the only one who hates America and everything she stands for.
You are entitled to you incorrect opinion, but please....answer this......
Why do the qualification requirements for the Presidency include the term "Natural Born Citizen"...... and the other elective offices do not?
I'll give you a clue. It's because the terms "Natural Born Citizen" and "Citizen" are different. If you recall....at the signing of the documents (1787) there were no Naturalized Citizens in residence yet. So right here.....reading the Constitution....we are informed there will be at least a minimum of three types of Citizenship.
Shortly after the ratification of the document.... people from abroad began applying for citizenship. They were then called "Naturalized Citizens" after taking the oath. But folks who were born in this country to these new citizens (prior to them taking the oath) were called "Citizens" only..... as their parents were not citizens at the time of their birth.
[Article II Section I] No person except a "natural born Citizen", or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.
[Article I section II] No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
[Article I Section III] No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio and Rick Santorum are not "Natural Born Citizens" because their parents were not Citizens at the time of their Births. George Romney (Mitt's father) was born abroad......but to U.S. Citizens living in Mexico who had not repudiated their citizenship.....so Mitt, according to the Naturalization Act of 1790.... is considered a "Natural Born Citizen" as was his father, George.
Here's the pertinent paragraph of the Act:
........And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States
Here is another section of the Naturalization Acts of 1790:
.....And the children of such persons so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty-one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States.
What does this mean? It means that children (born in this country) of alien parents are not "Natural Born Citizens".....they are just plain old citizens who cannot seek the office of the presidency. They can become Senators and Representatives.....and even Supreme Court Justices......but they gotta stay out of the White House!
Arpaio said he would be giving an update on March 31. Can’t remember where I heard it.
googled arpaio update march 31
It would accomplish just what the commie Democrats want, what the commie RINOs want, and apparently what you want.
No amount of paper is going to "prove" that either Obama, Rubio, or Jindal are Natural Born Citizens, because neither of them are, and this fact is already known about all three.
None of the three were "born in the country to parents who were both themselves citizens at the time of birth".
Neither are anchor babies. Neither are the half-alien children of someone who took a foreign spouse, and who were born while one parent was not a US citizen. Neither are people who have dual citizenship with any other nation in the world.
Shred the US Constitution a little at a time, and it will mean less and less. Ignore this clause; usurp that one; twist this or that piece out of shape in the courts and public opinion; eventually you will have rendered it totally meaningless and useless as a blueprint for the structure of US government.
So here we are already. The US government, as a union of the several states, exists only as a contract between the states and between the people of those states. Destroy that contract, and the USA is only a figment of the imagination of the thugs who will insist on holding it together at the force of gunpoint.
As I understand it, we the people do not have the standing to get the Supreme Court to hear the case concerning Obamas eligibility.
Question: If Rubio is chosen as the GOP nominee for VP, would he himself have standing to request a ruling in his case?