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Elderly dying due to 'despicable age discrimination in NHS'
Telegraph UK ^ | 3/25/12 | Rebecca Smith, Medical Editor

Posted on 03/25/2012 8:15:33 PM PDT by Nachum

Thousands of elderly people are dying unnecessarily early because ‘despicable’ age discrimination in the NHS is denying them treatment for cancer, a charity has warned.

A lack of treatment or insufficient treatment is contributing to 14,000 deaths a year in people over the age of 75, Macmillan Cancer Support has found, in what it called an ‘unacceptable act of discrimination’.

Deaths from cancer are reducing in most age groups but at a slower rate in those aged 74 to 84 and are increasing in people aged 85 and over, the report said.

The report, The Age Old Excuse: the under treatment of older cancer patients, said treatment options are too often recommended on the basis of age rather than how fit the patient is.

Professor Riccardo Audisio, Consultant Surgical Oncologist at St Helens Hospital, said: “It is despicable to neglect, not to offer, not to even go near to the best treatment option only on the simple basis of the patient’s age.

“This has been a horrible mistake that, particularly in the UK, we have suffered from.”

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: discrimination; dying; elderly; medicalcare; nhs; obamacare; romney; romneybringsdeath; romneycare; romneydeathcare; socializedmedicine; ungland
Obama death care
1 posted on 03/25/2012 8:15:45 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Agree!


2 posted on 03/25/2012 8:18:01 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Nachum
is this part of the new world order being pursues by socialist governments, including the USA???
3 posted on 03/25/2012 8:18:54 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Nachum

“...said treatment options are too often recommended on the basis of age rather than how fit the patient is.”

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Rank socialism and a good preview of Obamacare and its stated death panels.


4 posted on 03/25/2012 8:23:32 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Nachum

Many elderly,and I’m one of them,would refuse treatment,and I do have a caring family.

Palliative care and that’s it.


5 posted on 03/25/2012 8:25:46 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Nachum
Thank goodness for Pelosi!

At least I won't be neglected.

Palliative End of Life Optimum Serenity Initiative (PELOSI)

Old people never seem to die, they just get in the way.

We're working to fix that. "Just give 'em a pill." Obama

6 posted on 03/25/2012 8:25:53 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Nachum

Obama death care

You forgot panels. SP had it right.

All along.


7 posted on 03/25/2012 8:26:28 PM PDT by spankalib (The Marx-in-the-Parks crowd is a basement skunkworks operation of the AFL-CIO)
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To: Mears

No, you have another option: bribe your doctor. It is common in all socialized systems.


8 posted on 03/25/2012 8:29:31 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Obama’s fault.


9 posted on 03/25/2012 8:30:43 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Nachum
I'm no fan of socialized medicine but my wife's mother and 2 aunts, aged 85, 87 and 88, live in Cheltenham. They have no problems receiving care and never have. My wife also grew up under the NHS, has children and grandchildren who still use the NHS and they also never have any problems receiving medical attention when they need it. When it comes to medical care the NHS is actually similar to America, with or without Obamacare. If you are a middle-class or better family in a suburban area you will have no problems. If you're poor or live in one of the nastier parts of the city your choices will be a lot worse. Anybody remember the tv show St. Elsewhere? It's like that.

My wife's ex mother-in-law recently passed away at 99 years old, and it wasn't from medical neglect. 1 in 6 Britons alive today will live to be 100 So I think that study is a bit over the top.

10 posted on 03/25/2012 8:31:25 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Nachum

There are several important considerations that should be made here.

The first is that using the NHS in Britain is voluntary, unlike in Canada, where no other system is permitted. So if a person is willing to leave the NHS for good, and they have money, they can still buy the care they need.

The problems begin when people not only want medical care, but they want it for free. Free stuff is never free, and in this case it comes with strings attached, that only those they want to give free stuff to will get it, not everybody.

Many counties in the US have long offered free medical care, up to a point, for the indigent. But they also just get the bare minimum, and then only if there is money to pay for it.

Yet there are still other alternatives. For example, a person can appeal to the generosity of the public for funds to get themselves surgery or medical care, if they are sympathetic.

But the bottom line is that this is not the fault of the NHS, but the fault of the philosophy behind the NHS, that created vast dependency on government that cannot be depended upon.


11 posted on 03/25/2012 8:33:53 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -- Hillary Clinton)
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To: Nachum

The basic idea is to change the demographics of the country as quickly as possible.


12 posted on 03/25/2012 8:40:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: spankalib

SP did indeed have it right from the very beginning..


13 posted on 03/25/2012 8:41:23 PM PDT by southland (" Newt / West 2012 will pull through!")
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Do any of them have cancer?


14 posted on 03/25/2012 8:41:32 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Nachum

Coming soon to America if we don’t rid ourselves of the pestilence in DC this November.


15 posted on 03/25/2012 8:47:49 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Nachum

Coming soon to America if we don’t rid ourselves of the pestilence in DC this November.


16 posted on 03/25/2012 8:51:01 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Nachum

Coming soon to America if we don’t rid ourselves of the pestilence in DC this November.


17 posted on 03/25/2012 8:51:20 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Nachum

Read carefully. It’s coming to a state or city near you, maybe even to YOUR home! YOUR family!


18 posted on 03/25/2012 9:00:58 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Mears

“Many elderly,and I’m one of them,would refuse treatment,and I do have a caring family.”

If that’s your choice, it’s ok by me. But, do you want to also make the decision for me and my neighbors? That’s not ok with me. That’s the nub of this issue.


19 posted on 03/25/2012 9:03:48 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Nachum

Another nail in the coffin of the UK which is leading the West into the abyss of destruction.

Time to nuke the island from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

And some UK FReepers (or Anglophilic FReepers) wonder why I have such an antipathy for the UK. If they can’t figure it out by this article then you know the place is doomed to Third World, New Dark Age status!


20 posted on 03/25/2012 9:09:13 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Nachum
What do you think they'll do to us when we get that age?

Assuming any of us can live to be elderly under obamacare, those who will care for us will understand it was we, our generation, who gave them the massive debt and all powerful government they'll struggle under for their entire lives.

...just so we could have our "free" healthcare.

Can you feel the love?

21 posted on 03/25/2012 9:10:07 PM PDT by GBA (America has been infected. Be the cure!)
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To: Lurker
Do any of them have cancer?

My wife has had some cysts removed and my mother in law has Alzheimer's. That's about the worst. But if they did have cancer they would get treated for it. Like I stated earlier, they live (or, in the case of my wife, lived) in a nice area.

Now on the other hand my wife's best friend's husband, who lived in North Carolina, died after being taken off of the liver transplant list because he couldn't afford to make the 140 mile round trip every day to a gym they wanted him to go to so he could get to the weight that they wanted him to be at. So if you don't think death panels exist in the USA and have existed for a long time you're wearing blinders.

22 posted on 03/25/2012 9:11:22 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Rembrandt

“But, do you want to also make the decision for me and my neighbors?”

Absolutely not——it is a very personal decision. Sorry if my post implied otherwise.


23 posted on 03/25/2012 9:20:39 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Nachum

Spread in the misery, keeping costs down. End of life orders. Don’t matter if it only takes a little to save you.


24 posted on 03/25/2012 10:19:31 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Nachum

Now the secret Has Been revealed on How Obamacare is going to reduce Health care costs,You dont get it,you just pay the Insurance for those between the Ages of 15 and 45. Its Called “The Complete Lives System”,You are Alloted,Quality of Life Years and seniors have used all of their Quality years up ,Sorry. Google Complete Lives System and check it out for Yourself


25 posted on 03/26/2012 3:58:15 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“Another nail in the coffin of the UK which is leading the West into the abyss of destruction.

Time to nuke the island from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

And some UK FReepers (or Anglophilic FReepers) wonder why I have such an antipathy for the UK. If they can’t figure it out by this article then you know the place is doomed to Third World, New Dark Age status!”

All I can figure out from your outbursts are that you’re strong in knee-jerk and a little slower in the thinking department.

In the US patients needing such medicines have one option - pay for it themselves. In the UK we have two options - see if the NHS will provide it or pay for it ourselves.

Most of us poor Brits who you want to nuke have both NHS and private medical cover (which comes free with most decent jobs over here). The people who have to rely solely on the NHS tend to be the poor or those who choose not to provide for their own future, just like the people in the US who have no medical cover at all.

You need to spend a little more time finding out the reality of the situation and a little less time hating on the basis of what the MSM tell you.


26 posted on 03/26/2012 4:57:03 AM PDT by Caulkhead
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To: Nachum
This will happen here, too, when the Medicare money really starts running out.

But it will be done differently.

Here, we'll tell Medicare patients that they have the right to cancer treatment.

BUT, the reimbursement for physicians and hospitals will be ratcheted so low that cancer clinics will one by one be closed down, and replaced by new freestanding facilities that see privately insured patients only.

In this way, the government portrays itself as the good guy and can point the finger of blame at providers.

Think it won't happen? It's been happening for a decade, under the GOP as well as the Dems. Call any doctor in your town and ask if he/she accepts new Medicare patients if you don't believe me.

27 posted on 03/26/2012 4:58:30 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi tio esta enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: Rembrandt
But, do you want to also make the decision for me and my neighbors? That’s not ok with me.

I do not want to make that choice for you and your neighbors as long as you pay your own way.

But as soon as what has been spent on you by Medicare exceeds what's been paid in, then the money spent on your health care is money withheld from my paycheck under compulsion.

And then, yes, I do get a voice.

28 posted on 03/26/2012 5:02:33 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi tio esta enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: Caulkhead

It’s way more than just the NHS that needs repairing.


29 posted on 03/26/2012 6:41:58 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“It’s way more than just the NHS that needs repairing.”

I couldn’t agree more. We’ve had 13 years of labour government and now have a Conservative led coalition which is doing it’s best to make those repairs whilst simultaneously introducing strict austerity measures to pay down our debt.

America has similar challenges but I believe the future of the world lies in the anglosphere sticking together, not fighting between ourselves so I try to balance any criticism of the US with a positive message. Your president clearly hates both the US and the UK and quite frankly posts like yours suggesting we need to be nuked from orbit do Obama’s work for him.

I realise we are not perfect, but the genocide of 60m people seems a little harsh for not always providing people with perfect healthcare when they have the freedom and responsibility to look after themselves. :)


30 posted on 03/27/2012 2:19:31 AM PDT by Caulkhead
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To: Caulkhead

I want to see the US end all ties (political, economic, diplomatic, military, etc.) because of how bad an influence the UK is on the US. The UK is on a bender to destroy itself and become a third world Muslim hellhole. I really don’t want to see that happen to the US.

Did you know that Obama is still a British citizen? Another blessing on the US from the UK! You can have your village idiot back. Please, take him. He’s done enough damage already!

Obama, the President of the U.S., Is Currently Also a British Citizen
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2317539/posts


31 posted on 03/27/2012 8:59:51 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I can see your opinions are emotional rather than logical or factual so there’s no point arguing with your misconceptions other than to say I fail to see how a country like the UK with a less than 3% muslim population, reducing muslim immigration and a 92% white anglo saxon celtic population is anywhere close to becoming a ‘muslim hellhole’. Apply the same test to the US and see who’s closer.

As for Obama and irrespective of his citizenship status, America voted him in as president, we didn’t. Who does that make the greater fool?


32 posted on 03/28/2012 4:01:57 AM PDT by Caulkhead
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To: Caulkhead

I didn’t vote for him. I absolutely knew this guy was really bad. And every day that Obama is in office his actions prove what I knew beforehand. 53% of the population voted for him but considering how much voter fraud there is I think it is about 10 to 20 percent less. You have dead people voting, multiple ballots cast by the same voter, non-citizens voting, felons voting and on and on.


33 posted on 03/28/2012 7:24:01 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Notary Sojac

“But, do you want to also make the decision for me and my neighbors? That’s not ok with me.

I do not want to make that choice for you and your neighbors as long as you pay your own way.

But as soon as what has been spent on you by Medicare exceeds what’s been paid in, then the money spent on your health care is money withheld from my paycheck under compulsion.

And then, yes, I do get a voice.


I guess that’s fine with me, but you, of course, are authorizing me to make a choice about your health care also. I’m sure you’re fine with that but please reply anyway.


34 posted on 03/28/2012 9:46:58 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: GBA; All
"What do you think they'll do to us when we get that age?"


35 posted on 03/28/2012 9:56:55 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“I didn’t vote for him. I absolutely knew this guy was really bad. And every day that Obama is in office his actions prove what I knew beforehand. 53% of the population voted for him but considering how much voter fraud there is I think it is about 10 to 20 percent less. You have dead people voting, multiple ballots cast by the same voter, non-citizens voting, felons voting and on and on.”

Well then we have something in common, I didn’t vote for him either but depite 53% of the American electorate doing so I don’t want you nuked from orbit. So far all you’ve convinced me of is that neither of our countries is perfect which I already knew as I’ve lived in both. :)


36 posted on 03/29/2012 7:46:29 AM PDT by Caulkhead
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To: Caulkhead

But it is the UK that is leading the West into the abyss!


37 posted on 03/29/2012 9:03:11 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Rembrandt
you, of course, are authorizing me to make a choice about your health care also

Absolutely!!!

If I'm getting my health care on the taxpayers' dime, it's perfectly appropriate for the taxpayers to say "We can afford to give you medication A, implant B, and surgery C, but to keep the program's budget balanced, we can't afford to give you surgery D."

As long as I can purchase D with my own money I am totally fine with that.

38 posted on 03/30/2012 4:44:46 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi tio esta enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“But it is the UK that is leading the West into the abyss!”

That’s your opinion. Please feel free to support it with facts, preferably not from the MSM. :)


39 posted on 03/30/2012 6:13:39 AM PDT by Caulkhead
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To: Caulkhead

According to the non-MSM Obama is still a British citizen. And look how this boy king is screwing up America. If that is all the Crown has to offer...

And 56% of UK subjects just voted in the nutjob politician, George Galloway, again!


40 posted on 03/30/2012 7:52:56 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“According to the non-MSM Obama is still a British citizen. And look how this boy king is screwing up America. If that is all the Crown has to offer...

And 56% of UK subjects just voted in the nutjob politician, George Galloway, again!”

So much ignorance in such a short post - impressive! :)

Obama certainly has the right to apply for a British passport as his father was born in part of the British empire. That also applies to pretty much all the founding fathers of the America though, so perhaps you didn’t think that one out too well. . . . . .

You simply can’t blame us for the fact that your country decided a non-American muslim should be your president. Physician heal thyself!

As for Galloway, he’s an idiot of the first order but you really have comprehension problems if you think 56% of UK subjects voted him in. Firstly that would mean 35 million people out of a constituency of 30,000 voted for him, a statistical oddity I’m sure even you can spot and secondly, there have been no British subjects for thirty years now. Finally, you criticise British voters for electing a muslim-loving nutter into a small backwater with no power yet America voted a similar socialist muslim American-hater in as President - a slightly more influential role than MP of a small Yorkshire town! Hypocrisy, thy name is JH! :D


41 posted on 04/02/2012 2:40:58 AM PDT by Caulkhead
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