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Indian tribe worries pipeline will disturb graves
Associated Press ^ | March 26, 2012

Posted on 03/26/2012 8:22:36 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) -- As President Barack Obama pushes to fast-track an oil pipeline from Oklahoma south to the Gulf Coast, an American Indian tribe that calls the oil hub home worries the route might disrupt sacred sites holding the unmarked graves of their ancestors.

Sac and Fox Nation Chief George Thurman plans to voice his concerns this week in Washington. He said he fears workers placing the 485-mile Keystone XL pipeline that would run from Cushing to refineries on Texas' Gulf Coast could disturb holy ground without consideration of the tribe.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; keystonexl; pipeline

1 posted on 03/26/2012 8:22:46 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Yawn. The old “Sacred Indian Burial Ground” schtick again.

I thought that went out 20 years ago.


2 posted on 03/26/2012 8:25:18 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So much for dumbo’s “fast track.” They can tie this up in the courts for decades.


3 posted on 03/26/2012 8:25:22 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Translation: “We want more money.”


4 posted on 03/26/2012 8:25:22 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

...disturb unmarked graves of their ancestors...huh?...but how....oh never mind.


5 posted on 03/26/2012 8:26:49 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Waiting for the new tagline to download)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Lol. I am sure they will walk the entire route. An historic ditch from the 30’s boy we need to preserve that.


6 posted on 03/26/2012 8:27:06 PM PDT by sitkaspruce
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I don’t really get the sacred body thing. If you account that Indian tribes were nomadic, they camped all over the place.

Almost every square inch of the continent, over the last 20,000 years probably has a buried body. If indeed a person should stay off sacred ground, because of buried bodies, they’d all have to leave the continent.


7 posted on 03/26/2012 8:27:49 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Yeah yeah, we'll pay you schlubs a few million bucks extra. We know you put your dead on platforms up in trees for the birds to eat, but to keep the project moving we'll pretend you buried them. OK? OK.
8 posted on 03/26/2012 8:28:47 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Free ThinkerNY
When they were building the border fence across the Tohono O’Odohom nation at the Arizona. Mexico border, some of the tribal members were hired to help identify any artifacts and when identified, they just adjusted the route of the fence to accommodate the tribe's beliefs. Why not do the same for a pipeline?
9 posted on 03/26/2012 8:31:10 PM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

***...the route might disrupt sacred sites holding the unmarked graves of their ancestors. ***

So? There are lots of unmarked graves of along the Chisholm trail through Oklahoma. Don’t hear any of the whites crying about the disturbance of the old graves of cowboys who died on the cattle drives.


10 posted on 03/26/2012 8:35:31 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
It might be a “yawn” and old hat to you, but some of the Indians have strong and deep held beliefs about their ancestors. Not much different from what many Catholics believe about the early Martyrs of the Church. If that pipeline is going across their land, they probably will have a strong argument.
11 posted on 03/26/2012 8:36:46 PM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: hinckley buzzard
There are as many as thirty other pipelines radiating from Cushing.

Presumably, the Sac & Fox helped them all thread their way around the burial grounds. For a fee, of course.

12 posted on 03/26/2012 8:37:23 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Tupelo

Here in Wisconsin, WisDOT hired a shaman (SP?) to oversee the removal and relocation of remains that would be disturbed by a highway that went through my father-in-law’s farm. (Crews also found what archeologist’s identified as a dinosaur egg. I’ve been to the geology museum to see it - looks like a rock to my untrained eye.)


13 posted on 03/26/2012 8:37:36 PM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You know, it’s funny.

A casino never seems to bother the dead Indians.


14 posted on 03/26/2012 8:38:32 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: chessplayer
They can tie this up in the courts for decades.

Wanna bet?

15 posted on 03/26/2012 8:46:10 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: seowulf

***A casino never seems to bother the dead Indians.***

You aught to see what has happened to Durant Ok when a casino and hotel was built there! I remember when it was just a wide spot on highway 69. Now it looks like Las Vegas lite.


16 posted on 03/26/2012 8:49:00 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Tupelo

***It might be a “yawn” and old hat to you, but some of the Indians have strong and deep held beliefs about their ancestors.***

I remember many cemeteries which were moved for building purposes or flood control lakes. One historic group of graves next to my grandma’s family farm were dug up and moved to the cemetery at the Hermetage in Old Hickory Tennessee to build a subdivision.

They can move the cemeteries, and the families can visit their loved ones 10 miles down the road. “After all, they are just...people.”...Scene from POLTERGEIST.


17 posted on 03/26/2012 8:55:51 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Free ThinkerNY

After all this time a spill might be welcome to “oil” their joints!


18 posted on 03/26/2012 9:01:34 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Interesting history of the Sauc and Fox nation...

http://www.tolatsga.org/sf.html

It appears their ancient graves are in Michigan. Only the later graves would be on Oklahoma. Wonder if they throw fits when the Michigan people build over the historic unmarked graves there.


19 posted on 03/26/2012 9:42:12 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Conservative4Ever
...disturb unmarked graves of their ancestors...huh?...but how....oh never mind.

Exactly, if they are unmarked, how do they know where they are? Is that about what you were going to ask?

20 posted on 03/26/2012 9:51:21 PM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Jonty30
Better do some more reading. Not one single Indian Tribe from the state of California was nomadic. To say all is ridiculous. I believe you can throw Oregon and Washington in on that too.
21 posted on 03/27/2012 1:25:47 AM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I thought that went out 20 years ago.

1982, to be exact.


22 posted on 03/27/2012 1:35:52 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Mark17

Yep


23 posted on 03/27/2012 3:26:26 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Waiting for the new tagline to download)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
So, has he always been this concerned about pipelines crossing Oklahoma?


24 posted on 03/27/2012 5:03:02 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

In other words, Your beliefs trump the beliefs of the Indians. OK.


25 posted on 03/27/2012 7:29:26 AM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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