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Obama Headed For Defeat in Pipeline Fight
Townhalll.com ^ | March 27, 2012 | Byron York

Posted on 03/27/2012 3:20:29 AM PDT by Kaslin

To hear the White House tell it, Barack Obama might be the most pipeline-friendly president ever to occupy the Oval Office.

In advance of Obama's March 22 visit to Cushing, Okla, the White House released a fact sheet detailing the president's support for oil pipeline projects. "The need for pipeline infrastructure is urgent, because rising American oil production is outpacing the capacity of pipelines to deliver oil to refineries," the White House wrote. "It is critical that we make pipeline infrastructure a top priority."

When the president appeared in Cushing, White House image-makers positioned him in front of huge stockpiles of pipe -- tons and tons of pipe. Message: Obama loves pipelines. "Under my administration," the president said, "we've added enough new oil and gas pipeline to encircle the Earth and then some."

But Obama wasn't in Cushing because he has approved so much new pipeline. He was there because he is facing bipartisan opposition, in Congress and across the country, for blocking the proposed Keystone XL pipeline that would bring about 700,000 barrels of oil from Canada to refineries in Texas every day, creating thousands of new jobs in the process. The opposition appears to be growing, and there's good reason to believe Obama will be forced to reverse himself in the next few months.

A new Gallup poll shows that 57 percent of Americans say the government should approve building Keystone. That number includes 81 percent of Republicans, 51 percent of independents and 44 percent (a plurality) of Democrats. The only good news for the White House is that most Americans aren't following the issue very closely, at least not yet.

In Cushing, the president announced he will expedite approval of the relatively short southern portion of the Keystone project, known as the Cushing pipeline, which will take oil that is already in Oklahoma down to the Texas refineries. "I'm directing my administration to cut through the red tape, break through the bureaucratic hurdles and make this project a priority," Obama said.

But Republicans quickly pointed out that a) presidential approval wasn't necessary for that portion of the pipeline, since it is all domestic, and b) it was Obama's agencies that were responsible for the red tape and bureaucratic hurdles in the first place. "He's out in Oklahoma trying to take credit for a part of the pipeline that doesn't even require his approval," said House Speaker John Boehner.

The GOP has also pointed out that there are many, many pipelines already crisscrossing the United States, including some that cross the Canadian border. In fact, Republicans say, Obama is the first president to deny a permit for a cross-border pipeline.

In addition, GOP lawmakers cite maps showing there are already pipelines over the Ogallala Aquifer, the giant underground water table that stretches below Nebraska and several other heartland states and is the reason environmentalists cite for opposing the Keystone project. "America either should install Keystone XL, with all of its benefits, or -- if such pipelines really are as dangerous as Democrats argue -- yank out all these pipelines that could destroy Ogallala," writes conservative commentator Deroy Murdock, who has argued strongly in favor of the pipeline.

Recently, Senate Republicans forced a vote on a proposal to approve Keystone. The final vote was 56 - 42, with 11 Democrats breaking with the president to vote in favor of the pipeline. The only reason it didn't pass was that the Democratic leadership filibustered the measure, requiring 60 votes for passage. (Liberal critics of the filibuster, so angry when Republicans used it to block Democratic measures, were uncharacteristically silent after the vote.)

If Obama has already lost 11 Democratic votes, with the election still several months away, it's likely he is going to lose more in the future. "Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said after the last vote that the issue would not be going away," says a Senate GOP source. "There is strong bipartisan support, and we'll have more shots at this."

In coming months, Republicans can likely count on the support of more and more Americans who are more and more angry about rising gas prices. As the general election campaign begins, Obama will face determined arguments from Republicans that in his desire to promote green energy -- Obama will hear the word "Solyndra" many, many times this fall -- he is standing in the way of making America more self-sufficient in oil and gas. It won't matter how many photo-ops he stages in front of piles of pipes. In the end, he'll have to say yes to Keystone.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: energy; keystonexl; oil; pipeline

1 posted on 03/27/2012 3:20:38 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
I think there is a good chance that the Keystone pipeline will go through, and become seen as another example of how Obama "won" and defeated the obstructionist Republicans who tried to block it.

That seems to be a pretty common pattern.

2 posted on 03/27/2012 3:26:13 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

....the Keystone pipeline will go through, and become seen as another example of how Obama “won” and defeated the obstructionist Republicans
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But, don’t you think the American people are smart enough to see through that? Some aren’t, of course, but in general, don’t you think?


3 posted on 03/27/2012 3:38:22 AM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: Kaslin

4 posted on 03/27/2012 3:41:32 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: no dems

Bingo to Clearcase_guy, and no, I no longer think that people in general are smart enough to see through it anymore.

At least not in any kind of dynamic that would make an electoral difference. The Obama administration has discovered that lying propaganda works, and there are no ramifications for engaging in it.

There is no downside.


5 posted on 03/27/2012 3:43:41 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Kaslin

Every Republican running for office and every Repub who appears on TV needs to call on the President to “reverse this decision” on Keystone. Harp on it night and day so that if/when he does reverse his decision - they can take credit for it.


6 posted on 03/27/2012 3:47:23 AM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: no dems
The Keystone will probably be built at some time. Either in 2012, 2013, or 2017. There is a lot of oil in Alberta, the Mackenzie delta and Alaska that has to come to market. Eventually Keystone energy corridor will run south to the gulf and north, up the Mackenzie River and all the way to Alaska.

As to the intelligence of the voters in any early 21st century democracy, you tell me. The evidence has not been very positive so far.

7 posted on 03/27/2012 3:50:45 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: capydick

Re post 6: yup.


8 posted on 03/27/2012 3:53:11 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Kaslin

Obqama will reverse himself in the next few months? Buhahahahahahaha!. Few know of the fact that we have a genuine nationalist socialist as president. He will never reverse himself.

Read:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html

It is up to us to reverse Obama and his whole administration.

Thats the only way we will ever get a Keystone Pipeline.The rest is all Obama rope - a -dope.


9 posted on 03/27/2012 4:11:30 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info.)
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To: Kaslin

Obama will reverse himself in the next few months? Buhahahahahahaha!. Few know of the fact that we have a genuine nationalist socialist as president. He will never reverse himself.

Read:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html

It is up to us to reverse Obama and his whole administration.

Thats the only way we will ever get a Keystone Pipeline.The rest is all Obama rope - a -dope.


10 posted on 03/27/2012 4:12:58 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

They won’t - they’re idiots and don’t realize how much the media freezes them off of the airwaves when it comes to something like this - they need to take advantage of every opportunity they have, every single time.


11 posted on 03/27/2012 4:33:27 AM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: capydick

Well, I’ll just have to agree with you again on that.


12 posted on 03/27/2012 4:39:39 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Kaslin


13 posted on 03/27/2012 4:53:46 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
There is a lot of oil in Alberta, the Mackenzie delta and Alaska that has to come to market

Why would you expect any Alaska oil to come this route?

14 posted on 03/27/2012 4:54:46 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

I believe Governor Palin negotiated a gas pipeline along this route. There has been talk in Canada for years of building an energy corridor along the Mackenzie to tap the gas and oil in the delta. It is a natural, just like the Keystone.


15 posted on 03/27/2012 5:24:06 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
I believe Governor Palin negotiated a gas pipeline along this route.

Actually, several Natural Gas pipeline routes had been proposed over the decades including the one chosen for Palin's $500 million dollar subsidy to preliminary engineer. There wasn't negotiation for this route by Palin.

But that line will not be built, due to the surplus of Natural Gas due to the lower 48 Shale Gas. It was never intended to carry oil and if built, would not benefit the Keystone XL line.

16 posted on 03/27/2012 5:29:43 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Kaslin

-—tons and tons of pipe-——

The writer is as is common among the journo types technically challenged.

A correct expression would be “miles and miles of pipe”


17 posted on 03/27/2012 5:30:59 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Kaslin
Looks like Keystone will be to Obama what welfare reform was to Clinton...

...he'll fight it and fight it until the GOP forces him to accept and then he'll take credit.

18 posted on 03/27/2012 6:04:26 AM PDT by what's up
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To: rlmorel

How did Republicans win the House in a historic way in 2010 if the majority of voters are so stupid and believe everything Obama tells them?


19 posted on 03/27/2012 6:43:28 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: Kaslin

“In a few months”, Barry the Imposter won’t still be Pres—ent.


20 posted on 03/27/2012 6:55:37 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ClearCase_guy

It is pretty obvious he was going to approve it after the election anyhow (the same diplomatic backchatter to the Canadians that he gave after telling Ohio voters that he’d kill NAFTA).

What amazes me is that his envirowhack supporters are actually stupid enough to fall for this.


21 posted on 03/27/2012 7:14:26 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Fresh Wind
Too funny!

Any good craft man knows you use a combo wrench and not a monkey wrench!

He ain't no craft man!


22 posted on 03/27/2012 7:22:12 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jveritas
Its very simple THE TEA PARTY did it. We engaged with everyone we pushed candidates and we watched them like a Mother watches her baby. Those that did as they promised are okay those who lied will be thrown out of office. Its fairly simple just get passed the LIEING LIBERAL PRESS and then you can force them to vote and act the way you want them. The good side has come out now during the election when Sanatorium stated he took one or the team he lost our vote. That's why we got rid of Specter we do not want politicians to get along with others we want them to stand up for us not the gal or guy with a Axe to grind or a spare buck. We want principled electors not those who get along to get along....
23 posted on 03/27/2012 7:23:16 AM PDT by straps (Electric Jack)
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To: philman_36

You’re right, and to depict Obama with a monkey wrench is RACIST!


24 posted on 03/27/2012 7:56:00 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Kaslin
When the president appeared in Cushing, White House image-makers positioned him in front of huge stockpiles of pipe -- tons and tons of pipe

What Barry forgot to mention was the reason the pipe is stored there. There was no indication that the whole Keystone concept would not be approved & TransCanada bought the pipe so that installation could begin immediately. When Obama put the kibosh on the idea, the Corps of Engineers stopped work on the necessary approvals on the whole line. TransCanada quickly reapplied for the Cushing/Gulf part and my understanding is that the process was well underway before Obama and his minders got involved.

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/03/22/bloomberg_articlesM191XQ6K50YE01-M1ASN.DTL

25 posted on 03/27/2012 8:01:09 AM PDT by Western Phil
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To: Fresh Wind
You’re right, and to depict Obama with a monkey wrench is RACIST!
Just, damn! I hadn't even considered that.
Just looked at using the right tool for the job.
26 posted on 03/27/2012 8:45:35 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Western Phil

According to this article as of Feb 17, 2012, only about 10% of pipeline materials/equipment had been purchased.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/75-per-cent-of-keystone-xl-pipe-would-be-made-in-north-america-2012-02-17

It appears they have purchase agreements in place for the balance of pipe, but not yet executed.


27 posted on 03/27/2012 9:06:56 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: no dems

If you told most Americans/voters that the pipeline could be used to transport solar and wind generated electricity, they woudl believe it. 2008 was a tipping point for the country in terms of voter stupidity.


28 posted on 03/27/2012 9:09:57 AM PDT by Newtoidaho (Fight organized crime. Vote out all incumbent Democrats!)
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To: Kaslin

GOP should be prepared if Obama—in late October—approves the entire project and dons the mantle of the “energy president. “


29 posted on 03/27/2012 9:19:17 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: jveritas

jveritas, I know how you feel about this as I have read your occasional posts on this viewpoint.

And I respect that point of view.

I just find myself unable to believe that electoral victory, even in the face of historical terms as it was in 2010 is going to slow down the one-way ratchet of liberalism.

I think liberals have succeeded in bypassing the constitution with no repercussions (further encouraging them) and have also vacated the sticky problem (for them) of state’s rights.

We have a bloated, all powerful federal government, and the power of congress and the judiciary is being overwhelmed by the executive branch, witness the czars and executive orders that pass unabated without muster.

I confess I am pessimistic.


30 posted on 03/27/2012 9:30:40 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: rlmorel

Cheer up, it is bad but we can certainly make it better, much better… We are still the greatest nation in history of mankind despite all the lunacy of the Left… And we are going to remain the greatest nation for a very long time to go, there is no one else on this planet who is better than us, none…


31 posted on 03/27/2012 11:08:04 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: jveritas

Thank you. Sometimes when the spirits are low, it is nice to get bucked up by a FRiend...:)

I needed that.


32 posted on 03/27/2012 11:10:14 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: rlmorel

You are welcome :)


33 posted on 03/27/2012 11:18:46 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: philman_36
Just, damn! I hadn't even considered that.

I'm glad I wore my waders to this thread!

34 posted on 03/27/2012 11:32:55 AM PDT by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL)
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To: rlmorel
The Obama administration has discovered that lying propaganda works, and there are no ramifications for engaging in it. There is no downside.

The Clintons did some groundbreaking work in this area. The truth is whatever you want it to be.

35 posted on 03/27/2012 11:48:28 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
I'm glad I wore my waders to this thread!
Why are you glad you wore your waders? Are you walking in waist deep water?
36 posted on 03/27/2012 1:15:43 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36; houeto

Ask houeto. I don’t even own waders.


37 posted on 03/27/2012 1:19:45 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

True, that. Who would have ever thought the President of The United States would parse the meaning of the word “is”.


38 posted on 03/27/2012 1:32:27 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; houeto
Sorry about that Homer.

Reply 36 is to you houeto.
Why are you glad you wore your waders? Are you walking in waist deep water?

39 posted on 03/27/2012 3:55:23 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Why are you glad you wore your waders? Are you walking in waist deep water?

No. It is a humorous way to question someones sincerity implying that the 'stuff' is getting deep in here. You posted Obama carrying a monkey wrench then told another poster that you didn't notice what you had done. I LMAO and thought, "Yeah right!"

Good post BTW.

40 posted on 03/27/2012 5:19:39 PM PDT by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL)
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To: houeto
No. It is a humorous way to question someones sincerity implying that the 'stuff' is getting deep in here.
I don't have any problems saying what I mean. I don't peddle BS. And you can believe I'm sincere about that so you don't need any waders.

You posted Obama carrying a monkey wrench then told another poster that you didn't notice what you had done.
I know exactly what I did. I even posted what I did...
Just looked at using the right tool for the job.
I even posted a pic of the right tool that is used.
A monkey wrench (it's actually called a pipe wrench) is only used for small bore screw pipe (usually under 4") and fittings.

So, basically, you're calling me a racist?

41 posted on 03/27/2012 5:49:52 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: houeto

You make me laugh.

You are implying racism because someone shows Obama with a pipe (monkey) wrench.

Yet your tag line says Romney is a “whiter shade of fail”.

I am sensing a bit of hypocrisy.


42 posted on 03/27/2012 6:32:26 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: philman_36; Nik Naym; Fresh Wind
So, basically, you're calling me a racist?

Nope, that happened in post #24 by Fresh Wind. I just thought it was very funny.

It really is as simple as that.

43 posted on 03/28/2012 9:33:10 AM PDT by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL)
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To: houeto; philman_36
So, basically, you're calling me a racist?

Nope, that happened in post #24 by Fresh Wind. I just thought it was very funny.

Gosh, I didn't mean to start anything, and I didn't accuse anyone of racism, least of all philman_36, who repeated the cartoon that I originally posted (as post #4), and quite correctly pointed out that the artist of the cartoon showed Obama carrying the wrong tool for the job.

And that was on the mark because Obama ALWAYS seems to use the wrong tool for whatever job he is working on.

My racism comment was only in jest, and was intended only to mock those people who seem to be able to find racism where it doesn't exist (such as a black man with a monkey wrench).

44 posted on 03/28/2012 12:45:01 PM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Fresh Wind; houeto
I understood what you meant. houeto seems to be the only one who is unable to 'grok' the conversation and sees something that simply isn't there.

And that was on the mark because Obama ALWAYS seems to use the wrong tool for whatever job he is working on.
Hear, hear!

Aside - The poor cartoonist probably didn't even realize that he drew in the wrong tool either. He's probably never even done any manual labor on that scale much less seen 2" or larger nut as is typical on pipe that size.
And to make matters worse, a blind flange would be used, not a cap...

45 posted on 03/28/2012 1:19:14 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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