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Audio: Scalia lectures Verrilli on enumerated powers (“What is left, if the gov't can do this?”)
Hotair ^ | 03/27/2012 | AllahPundit

Posted on 03/27/2012 8:20:10 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The guy who uploaded this to YouTube calls it a “benchslap.” It's loads of fun, and the point about limited powers will sound familiar. The key part comes early when Scalia jumps in to challenge Verrilli's citation of Court precedent. Those cases dealt with commerce, he says; in this case, the legislation is aimed at people who aren't participating in commerce, i.e. people without insurance. That's a gut-punch to the left since, once you make that move conceptually, the Commerce Clause defense of the statute is hanging by a thread. You can follow his thinking over the rest of the clip from there. If it's not commerce, then Congress has no power to regulate it, and if Congress has no power to regulate it, then the Tenth Amendment says this is a matter for the states. And to think, a few days ago, Democrats thought they might be able to use Scalia's Raich opinion to swing him over to their side.

Roberts was a bit more equivocal in today’s arguments but read Philip Klein’s analysis of the rhetoric he used in his comments from the bench. There were an awful lot of phrases in there suggesting he was arguing from belief against the statute, not merely as a devil’s advocate to probe the lawyers’ arguments. Meanwhile, over at SCOTUSblog, Kevin Russell looks at Roberts’s and Alito’s questioning and wonders, “Is Kennedy the only possible fifth vote for the government?” His conclusion: Yep, pretty much. Exit question: C’mon, a Reagan appointee’s not really going to be the fifth vote for the ObamaCare mandate, is he? Good lord.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obamacare; scalia; scotus; verrilli

1 posted on 03/27/2012 8:20:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I say it again, if they vote it’s constitutional, we are going to have to do a separation from King George again.


2 posted on 03/27/2012 8:25:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What’s left, dear Judge, is revolution.


3 posted on 03/27/2012 8:25:48 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: SeekAndFind

The point is well made.

Not only will the end of obamacare mandate be a small sign of sanity and a blow for freedome, but from that ALL the legislation stretched from the Commerce Clause are again in play.

With the right legal challenges, we can finally lurch towards a government that resembles what the Founders designed.

Next up: restore Amendments IX and X.


4 posted on 03/27/2012 8:33:21 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yes!

There’s an anger under the surface and it will surface very soon.


5 posted on 03/27/2012 8:34:35 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Dictator Baby-Doc Barack has ALWAYS ignored The US Constitution, ESPECIALLY with Obama”care.”

The cancer of Obama”care” now has invaded World Finances as Obama last week choose a “Public health expert” for the World Bank Presidency.

Romney has promised to “Repeal and REPLACE” Obama”care.”

Senator (R Tn) Son-of-a-Mitch McConnell has promised to “Repeal and REPLACE” Obama”care.”

According to Michelle Bachmann (R Min), there are currently over 10, 000 REGULATIONS attached to Obama”care.”
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The major problem with THE NINE SUPREMES is that they are chosen for political reasons by the POTUS, and then they vote as an un-accountable democracy, for a Nation that is NOT a Democracy, but a REPUBLIC.

As a result, THE NINE SUPREMES commonly vote 5 to 4 on most issues. Constitutionality is seldom a consideration, and their up-coming ruling on Obama”care” will prove my point.

Now is the time to stand and deliver to address our grievances to the dictates of the Left.

Oppose the dictates of Dictator Baby-Doc Barack!

Our ONLY chance to ABOLISH Obama”care” rests with THE NINE SUPREMES, because Romney will be defeated by Obama.

IMHO, if Romney is anointed as the RNC Nominee, THE main issue in the National Election, Obama”care,” will be taken off the campaign table. Hence, Romney will not only lose, but suffer another crushing, and sadly typical, RINO defeat.
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To those who want poster ideas, here are a few ideas for demonstration posters:

Obama”care” was robo-signed by Congress, and is therefore illegal.

Obama”care” was 2409 pages long, and is still being written, but not by Congress: witness the forced contraception coverage recently added by HHS Regulators.

Obama”care” has caused “The Catholic Spring.”

Obama”care” reduces competition, and therefore is illegal by the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law.

Obama”care” is designed to be a US Federal Government monopoly, with no competition.

Obama”care” also is illegal according to the US Constitution, because it violates our freedom of choice.

Will THE NINE SUPREMES notice any of these three violations? I seriously doubt it.

BTW, impeached Bill Clinton proved that the US President is above US Federal Law, so anything that the President wants he gets, regardless of the Federal Laws that he has violated.


6 posted on 03/27/2012 8:40:43 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yup, it will be a king george moment. Problem is, where are the leaders equivalent to our founding fathers?


7 posted on 03/27/2012 8:48:25 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Agreed, hence part II of my tagline since Jan 2009. I wish I could fit this:

“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”


8 posted on 03/27/2012 8:48:25 PM PDT by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi / "...it is their duty, to throw off such government...")
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To: SeekAndFind

No problem for nobama, if the S.C. decision doesn’t make him happy, he’ll just pull an Andy Jackson and ignore it.

Constitution be damned, S.C. be damned, sign a few executive orders and all is well again.


9 posted on 03/27/2012 8:54:46 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Haggai 1, V6.. and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. (My plight))
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To: SeekAndFind

Good post! Get rid of this abomination!


10 posted on 03/27/2012 9:02:30 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: SeekAndFind
RPF Repent, pray and fast. Take nothing for granted, take it to The LORD.
11 posted on 03/27/2012 9:20:32 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This tells me that the Justices, who will be the majority, have looked into the mandate question, and have found it to be an easy judgement to make: It is unconstitutional. The 27 states suing the Obama Administration over the constitutionality of Obamacare have done the difficult work making the case. The Justices will have easy work writing their decision.

Even James “Snakehead” Carville has emerged from his hole saying that having Obamacare struck down would be the best thing to happen to the Democrats. Democrats are looking at the disaster ahead and are trying to soften the blow.

Actually, it would be the best thing to happen for the Republicans. It would prove for all time that the Democrats are willing to toss out the Constitution to get what they want. And because of that, will be seen as the dangerous political force that must be eliminated from the American system.


12 posted on 03/27/2012 9:44:29 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: jonrick46

Whether or not the Supremes toss this abomination into the dustbin of history, the thing that really saddens me is the huge percentage of Americans who have no clue what’s in the Constitution, don’t know what it is for, don’t know why we have it, and couldn’t care less.

America has become a nation of idiots.


13 posted on 03/28/2012 1:02:57 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: RightOnline

>> the thing that really saddens me is the huge percentage of Americans who have no clue

Nor self-respect.


14 posted on 03/28/2012 1:07:08 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: RightOnline

For too many Americans, freedom is da free stuff. America has grown up too many moral degenerates.


15 posted on 03/28/2012 1:09:22 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“I say it again, if they vote it’s constitutional, we are going to have to do a separation from King George again.”

I agree, it has been remarked to me in wonder that we have king George’s hand picked men to decide victory and defeat in a war for our rights.

Well I say we had King George’s hand picked men in 1775 too, they decided then that our rights were subject to their discretion, not the inalienable gift from our creators.

Unfortunately there are leftist out there that must be made to remember that the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

I will not submit to leftist tyranny.


16 posted on 03/28/2012 2:30:59 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: jonrick46
I've been writing right along that Obama wins no matter what...He tried...It's going to arouse Dems to vote..and that's what it's about.

Next round...doing what Fluck proposed....regulate insurance companies to do specifics like abortion.

Kinda like Flood insurance....which came about via government and is very expensive and in a lot of cases and very unnecessary.....but try to get a mortgage.

17 posted on 03/28/2012 4:54:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Monorprise

I’d like to see the overturn written into the congressional record along with the signatures of the MILLIONS of Americans who fought against Obamacare. That’s how important I think it will be.


18 posted on 03/28/2012 4:56:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: freedumb2003

What about Romneycare?? Isn’t that mandatory??


19 posted on 03/28/2012 4:57:25 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind
From the transcript, here's the beginning of that exchange: (Pg 27-28)

 

JUSTICE SCALIA: Wait.  That's -- it's both "Necessary and Proper." What you just said addresses what's necessary.  Yes, has to be reasonably adapted. Necessary does not mean essential, just reasonably adapted. But in addition to being necessary, it has to be proper. And we've held in two cases that something that was reasonably adapted was not proper, because it violated the sovereignty of he States, which was implicit in the constitutional structure.

The argument here is that this alaso is -- may be necessary, but it's not proper, becuse it violates an equally evident principle in the Constitution, which is that the Federal Government is not supposed to be a government that has all powers; that it's supposed to be a government of limited powers. And that's what all this questioning has been about. What -- what is left? If thegovernment can do this, what -- what else can it not do?

GENERAL VERRILLI: This does not violate the norm of proper as this Court articulated it in Printz or in New York because it does not interfere with the States as sovereigns. This is a regulation that -- this is a regulation --

JUSTICE SCALIA: No, That wasn't my point. This is not the only constitutional principle that exists.

GENERAL VERRILLI: But it --

JUSTICE SCALIA: An equally evident constitutional principle is the principle that the Federal Government is a government of enumerated powers and that the vast majority of powers remain in the States and do not belong to the Federal Government.  Do you acknowledge that that's a principle?

GENERAL VERRILLI: Of course we do, Your Honor.

JUSTICE SCALIA: Okay. That's what we are talking about here.


20 posted on 03/28/2012 8:02:11 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I implore the good people of Texas and Oklahoma to have mercy and be gracious to refugees should this upcoming ruling go the wrong way.

Please leave your borders open for a time while discussions of succession are had internally. It might take me a few months to get the family moved to your area. I promise to be a good and productive member of your new society.

Thank you in advance.


21 posted on 03/28/2012 8:12:13 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: Graewoulf

I’m starting to think that nut job Charles Manson was right. He ranted about how it’s wrong for nine men to control the lives of more than 200,000,000 people.

It’s much too easy to corrupt a small group. This court is corrupt. There are four honest patriotic men on this court. There are four socialists. There is on opportunist.


22 posted on 03/28/2012 8:21:36 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: Tenacious 1

First we’ll close the southern border first.

Then we’ll have to politely ask some people to move out. Sheila Jackson Acorn-Head is on the list.

Then we’ll have to be very picky about who we let in. Good luck on making the grade.

Oh, how I wish this could REALLY happen.


23 posted on 03/28/2012 8:24:46 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: HerrBlucher
Yup, it will be a king george moment. Problem is, where are the leaders equivalent to our founding fathers?

Aww, that is a good question. I hope they have already been elected at the state level. Rick Perry? Mitch Daniels? Jan Brewer? Mary Fallin?

24 posted on 03/28/2012 8:32:00 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: SeekAndFind
If our founders wanted Congress to regulate ALL commerce, and all activity or non-activity that can have an effect upon commerce - then why did they specify only INTERSTATE commerce was to be regulated by Congress?
25 posted on 03/28/2012 8:35:41 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Constitution guarantees the States a republican form of governmnt. If there is “nothing left”, then there is no republic - the contract is broken, and any authority derived from it nullified.


26 posted on 03/28/2012 8:44:44 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nah Justice Scalia, it’s what’s after this. The Government drafting me, giving me a rifle, and sending me to war in France is hard to top. It was very important to the nation then. How important is health care needs to be decided now, not the power of government.


27 posted on 03/28/2012 9:03:08 AM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Terry Mross
Then we’ll have to be very picky about who we let in. Good luck on making the grade.

LOL. I lived in Austin for about 3 years. My daughter was born there. I voted for Rick Perry for Governor. I'm a member of FR.

Do I qualify? :o)

28 posted on 03/28/2012 10:01:18 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
I am confident the brave will show and make a stand.
29 posted on 03/28/2012 10:09:40 AM PDT by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: allmendream
If our founders wanted Congress to regulate ALL commerce, and all activity or non-activity that can have an effect upon commerce - then why did they specify only INTERSTATE commerce was to be regulated by Congress?

Well, you see, it depends on what the definition of "interstate" means. On the one hand, it means commerce between states or across state lines.

On the other hand, it doesn't.

See?

30 posted on 03/28/2012 11:15:07 AM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
Sure sure.

When our founders wrote that Congress will have the power to regulate interstate commerce, OBVIOUSLY, they meant both interstate commerce, intrastate commerce, and any activity or non-activity that could have an effect upon commerce./s

31 posted on 03/28/2012 11:28:04 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Tenacious 1

I don’t know, man. Allowing your daughter to be an anchor baby is a slippery slope. However, after we get rid of all the libs in Austin there will be plenty of openings.


32 posted on 03/28/2012 4:43:59 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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