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NY Times Column: If Health Law Is Overturned, What Will Liberals Do? (Here are the possibilities)
New York Times ^ | 03/28/2012 | Michael D. Shear

Posted on 03/28/2012 1:23:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

If the Supreme Court strikes down all or part of President Obama’s health care law, it will have unraveled a legislative compromise that many liberals had viewed with suspicion from the beginning.

In one of the ironies of recent politics, Mr. Obama was a late convert to the merits of the individual mandate that now appears to be in danger of being declared unconstitutional.

But the president’s embrace of the mandate — and his willingness to abandon a so-called public option to get a health care deal — was a hard pill to swallow for many of his Democratic supporters.

The Affordable Care Act promises to provide health insurance to millions who lacked it. But it also stops far short of the idea that health care is a basic right for everyone living in the country. And it embraces the market-based system of private health care delivery that has long existed in America.

For many progressive activists and voters, the decision by the court in June could reopen a debate that they thought they had lost two years ago. Rather than be dismayed if the court overturns the health care law, some liberals may see it as an unexpected opportunity.

Politically, there is almost no chance of a new effort to achieve universal health care coverage before the election in the fall. But if the current law is overturned, eventually there would be a new push from Democrats to achieve the goals they have pursued for decades.

Still, it’s far from clear how progressives might regroup if the court rules against the mandate, as Tuesday’s questions from the justices suggested they might.

Here are three possibilities:

SALVAGE: If the justices invalidate the individual mandate but stop short of declaring the entire law unconstitutional, progressives could try to fix it

(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: healthcare; obamacare; singlepayer

1 posted on 03/28/2012 1:23:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I haven’t read the article, but I know what they will do. They will keep whittling and chiseling away at our rights and country as we know it until they have transformed it beyond recognition.


2 posted on 03/28/2012 1:26:21 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: SeekAndFind

The Latest spin on MSNBC and Daily Kos is that overturning Obamacare opens the door for Dems to run on UNIVERSAL, GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTHCARE.

Talk about trying to spin a defeat.

But sadly, they are probably right. FREE SH**T FOR EVERYBODY!!


3 posted on 03/28/2012 1:27:34 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: SeekAndFind
If the Supreme Court strikes down all or part of President Obama’s health care law, it will have unraveled a legislative compromise
Compromise? With who, the devil?
And when it does get struck down, you know what the Libs will do - riot in the streets and burn everything down.
4 posted on 03/28/2012 1:31:46 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about they stop stealing my stuff and promptly go to hell?


5 posted on 03/28/2012 1:32:09 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The NYT's options for liberals are.
Salvage
Expand
Single Payer

The point is if they couldn't get this passed with massive majorities in the House, a socialist in the White House and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate how are they going to do any of them now. With the fall of Obamacare the Democrats lose the ability to get single payer health care through incramentalism. And if they can't do it bit by bit they will never be able to do it all at once.
6 posted on 03/28/2012 1:32:16 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP
NY Times Column: If Health Law Is Overturned, What Will Liberals Do? (Here are the possibilities)

Commit suicide to free health care dollars for the uninsured.
7 posted on 03/28/2012 1:33:11 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: tcrlaf

They won’t use the words “government run”,
because that would be too honest, for one,
and secondly, that’s a loser.


8 posted on 03/28/2012 1:35:05 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

Whine?

Cry?

Run around in circles?

Flap their arms?

Stamp their feet?

Riot and burn down every major city in every blue State?


9 posted on 03/28/2012 1:35:11 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The liberals won’t do anything. The country doesn’t have the desire or energy to endure another legislative mess, it’s no longer the same Congress, and the President already has expended the last of his good will and political capital. The liberals will have to be content with bitter griping over lines of coke.


10 posted on 03/28/2012 1:35:50 PM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: SeekAndFind; beaversmom; tcrlaf; oh8eleven; Psycho_Bunny; GonzoGOP; aruanan
Perhaps why there's such a large percentage in polls opposed to Obamacare partly due to the mandate forcing people to pay for something.

If the dems turn around and repackage that same crap as "Free Healthcare paid for by the Rich!" then I suspect opposition erodes.

If the mandate had started putting people in jail, I think you'd have converted a lot of the free-sh!t lovers into big government haters permanently.

I don't believe this was a brilliant dem conspiracy, but I won't be surprised if we haven't slit our own throats on this.

11 posted on 03/28/2012 1:36:15 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just rewards for the arrogant progressive left, insisting on fundamentally changing the social compact in totla disreagrd of Constitutional considerations and withou a scintilla of bypartican support. The BILLIONS of dollars wasted on this folly is criminal—CRIMINAL!


12 posted on 03/28/2012 1:36:23 PM PDT by LALALAW (one of the asses whose sick of our "ruling" classes)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hint to the liberals....I do not think that a public option would send up to our constitution either because it would be government take over of an industry and the government is limited in it’s powers to be able to do that.I suggest if that is what you all ant relocate to a country that offers that like Cuba.


13 posted on 03/28/2012 1:36:40 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: SeekAndFind

If they want to biggest commit political suicide in history of American politics then please let them go ahead and advocate socialized medicine with the so called public option or single payer program…We should really encourage these fools to push this insanity and they are going to be crushed beyond belief in the coming elections.


14 posted on 03/28/2012 1:38:13 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: SeekAndFind

The latest spin is that the mandate was a Republican idea and they blew it agreeing with Repubs. LOL!

They are actually calling it a bi partisan plan today.


15 posted on 03/28/2012 1:39:38 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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To: SeekAndFind

Street riots


16 posted on 03/28/2012 1:41:39 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: SeekAndFind

What did Alan Greyson say,”Die, die quickly.”


17 posted on 03/28/2012 1:42:37 PM PDT by DCmarcher-976453
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals will continue their fight to increase the size of government through vote buys.

Their political foundation is built upon the vote buy.


18 posted on 03/28/2012 1:46:54 PM PDT by KSanders
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To: nhwingut

“The latest spin is that the mandate was a Republican idea and they blew it agreeing with Repubs. LOL!”

Anyone want to bet if this thing goes down in defeat, Bart Stupak is going to be found in a closet with a rope around his neck?


19 posted on 03/28/2012 1:48:44 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Solyent Pink is Sheeple!!!!)
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To: GonzoGOP

“With the fall of Obamacare the Democrats lose the ability to get single payer health care through incramentalism. And if they can’t do it bit by bit they will never be able to do it all at once.”

Actually, they will continue to work toward single payer health care through incrementalism with the help of Republicans. SCHIP and Medicare prescription drug benefits were expanded under President G.W. Bush.

There are a number of “compassionate” ways the Democrats can expand healthcare if Obamacare is declared unconstitutional. One approach would be to extend Medicaid to the unemployed. Expanding health care to family members of children receiving SCHIP is another. Expanding Medicare to early retirees is another. After all, if the recession causes one to retire early isn’t it only fair the early retiree receive Medicare?

The last 50 years have shown the Democrats keep pushing the envelope on programs even when they are defeated. One only wishes the Republicans could show such perseverance.


20 posted on 03/28/2012 1:49:23 PM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: beaversmom

Yes, they will do what communists always do. Lie, cheat, steal and murder to enhance their own power. What Constitution, What Supreme Court, What Elections? Bourgeois niceties do not impede the party of History on their long march through the institutions.


21 posted on 03/28/2012 1:51:03 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Soul of the South

In other words, try as legally as you can to get other people to pay for something you should pay for yourself. If that doesn’t work, steal it.


22 posted on 03/28/2012 1:52:02 PM PDT by baiamonte
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To: SeekAndFind

They know they are going to lose and they’re figuring out how to spin it as a plus. That’s what this is all about. If it was so difficult to get this POS through Congress, it is impossible to get single payer out of committee. That’s the bottom line. So, let them delude themselves. We must work to defeat them at every turn and in every venue to push them back into the shadows from whence they sprang.


23 posted on 03/28/2012 2:00:28 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: SeekAndFind
But it also stops far short of the idea that health care is a basic right for everyone living in the country

One cannot have a right to that which is produced by others. Claiming otherwise is to deny that slavery is unjust. The democrats lost the civil war, but they never ever give. up.

24 posted on 03/28/2012 2:01:06 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: SeekAndFind; All
Boy they can all move to those lovely countries they are so fond of, you know the ones with gun control and already have socialized medicine, you know Europe! Oh wait, they aren't doin' so good, I wonder why...
25 posted on 03/28/2012 2:05:24 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I’ll donate the rope.


26 posted on 03/28/2012 2:06:18 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: SeekAndFind

“it will have unraveled a legislative compromise”

What a big lie.

There was no “compromise.”

This act was passed by one of the narrowest, most partisan margins in the history of the United States.

No one should forget the Cornhusker kickback, the Louisiana purchase, the Stupak fig leaf, the use of technical legislative loopholes to narrowly force it through.

Given the magnitude of the change in American society from the government taking control over all health care, this was the greatest abuse of the legislative process in American history.

When other great changes like Medicare and Social Security were passed, there were large bipartisan margins in favor of it.

Obamacare represents the same dream of the German national socialists, the Soviet socialists, the Italian socialists under Mussolini and on and on, that government should have complete control over the activities of the population for the “good of the people.”

The founders were deathly afraid of all-powerful government for good reason.


27 posted on 03/28/2012 2:24:38 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: tcrlaf

Yeah, like they are gonna pass single payer with the current makeup of the House.

Where’s that photo of DeForest Kelley when I need it.....IT’S DEAD, JIM!


28 posted on 03/28/2012 2:35:00 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: AtlasStalled
The liberals won’t do anything.

You may be right. Just like gun control, it may finally sink in that this is an electoral loser for them.
29 posted on 03/28/2012 2:36:57 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

1. Leave politics forever.
2. Whine, moan, complain like they always do.


30 posted on 03/28/2012 2:38:31 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: SeekAndFind
What he can do is refuse to increase the debt ceiling unless Boehner adds a single payer plan to the bill. The press will claim that Republicans are responsible for letting the country descend into bankruptcy. McConnell will make noises about doing a deal with Harry Reid. Boehner will cry a little, then cave, and sign the socialized medicine bill.

The whole thing will only take a few weeks, after which Obama can get in a few rounds of golf.

31 posted on 03/28/2012 2:44:57 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Meet the New Boss
It was indeed a compromise, between the marxists and the fabian socialists. The Marxists said, "screw your cautious incrementalism, we have control now", and they decided to go for the whole magilla. The Fabians said, "but wait, it will be better if we don't destroy health care all at once. We can phase it in over 10 years or so while we slowly destroy private insurers."

The two sides compromised, and, voila!, we got 2700 pages of crap.

32 posted on 03/28/2012 2:52:19 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: PGalt
Notice the democrat's main concern is not how this will effect the people of this country but how it will effect their party. it's always party first.
33 posted on 03/28/2012 2:52:28 PM PDT by kempo
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To: SeekAndFind

Whatever the decision, they will attempt to minimize it, spin it, and demonize it. Ultimately, they will ignore it and just press on regardless. Especially if Obama wins re-election.

After all, how many divisions does SCOTUS have?


34 posted on 03/28/2012 2:56:20 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: SeekAndFind

Whatever the decision, they will attempt to minimize it, spin it, and demonize it. Ultimately, they will ignore it and just press on regardless. Especially if Obama wins re-election.

After all, how many divisions does SCOTUS have?


35 posted on 03/28/2012 3:00:03 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: beaversmom

Mass suicide? LOL


36 posted on 03/28/2012 3:40:26 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: SeekAndFind
They will never give up, controlling our health is simply too important to them. But for now, if they lose this they can't put the pieces back together any time soon.

Republicans have the House, and if the law is overturned, I would expect several more democrats to retire soon. We could do better in the elections as a result of this.

The Catholic Church has now turned from an ally of democratic health care to an enemy, plus they have allied with Evangelicals now. The next battle will be an order of magnitude harder. The Church isn't going to buy the pillow talk anymore.

Sandra Fluke will be left with no option other than to finally graduate and get a job.

What conservatives should do now is don't let up, keep the pressure on. We have yet another debt celing increase, just before the election. We need a strategy for that to win real cuts. Defunding the left anywhere, defunds them everywhere.

37 posted on 03/28/2012 3:52:23 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: oh8eleven

Single-payer was so controversial, Dems had to compromised with themselves to get ObamaCare.


38 posted on 03/28/2012 4:43:08 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Newt says, "A nominee that depresses turnout won't beat Barack Obama.")
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To: SeekAndFind

1. Cry and weep like lilltle girls.

2. Burn stuff.

3. Occupy something.

4. Poop on you car.

5. Flash mob and raid the closest store to them.

6. Blame Bush and Cheney.


39 posted on 03/28/2012 5:56:59 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

7. Cry as they say they will leave the country, but unfortunately, they won’t.


40 posted on 03/28/2012 5:58:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

a legislative compromise that many liberals had viewed with suspicion from the beginning.

Folks, they are using every spin technique at their
disposal. I’ve even seen quotes from them that it
was all a republican idea in the first place.
Unbelievable!


41 posted on 03/28/2012 6:03:00 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: kempo

Exactly. They’ve built these coalitions of collectivists. Some of the members of these collectives should be waking up about now...realizing that they too are being FORCED down a dirt-road-cul-de-sac to be robbed or killed by these National Socialist criminals.


42 posted on 03/28/2012 6:18:49 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Vince Ferrer
What conservatives should do now is don't let up, keep the pressure on. We have yet another debt celing increase, just before the election. We need a strategy for that to win real cuts. Defunding the left anywhere, defunds them everywhere.

BUMP!

DEFUND socialist collectives, foreign and domestic.

43 posted on 03/28/2012 6:21:06 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: SeekAndFind
Mass Suicide for $1000 Alex...

Jim Jones Kool Aid, get your Jim Jones Kool Aid right here.

44 posted on 03/28/2012 6:26:42 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: tcrlaf
Best bet is for the Republicans to simply set up a health care system for Democrats separately from the real healthcare system. Then finance it with a tax applicable only to Democrats, or those who sign up for the Democrat health care system.

It would be steeply progressive, but none would escape. All (of them) would share.

The real healthcare system would continue to make use of the latest and greatest technological advances in medicine ~ the Democrat system would be limited to what is available in government hospitals in Birmingham England (using that place as a guideline eh).

That way the Democrats would get the misery they so dearly love and deserve.

The rest of us would be happy.

45 posted on 03/28/2012 7:57:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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