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Indiana Governor Signs Bill Allowing Citizens to Protect Themselves Against Police Actions
guns.com ^ | 22 March, 2012 | Shelley_Rae

Posted on 03/28/2012 2:49:42 PM PDT by marktwain

Tuesday night, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels signed a bill that would protect citizens who reasonably believe force is necessary to protect themselves, someone else or their own property from unlawful actions by a public servant.

While supports believe the proposal strengthens the legal rights of people against public servants or government agents illegally entering their home, police groups are worried that many will use it as justification for attacking officers or will not understand the law fully.

"For those who don't take the time to read the law, it is going to be devastating for someone to think they have a right to resist if they only think an officers is acting illegally," said William Owensby, president of the Indiana chapter of the Fraternal Order of Police.

Daniels stood by his decision in a written statement, "Contrary to some impressions, the bill strengthens the protection of Indiana law enforcement officers by narrowing the situations in which someone would be justified in using force against them," But, he added: "What is troubling to law enforcement officers, and to me, is the chance that citizens hearing reports of change will misunderstand what the law says."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: banglist; blackkk; defense; florida; georgezimmerman; in; indiana; mitchdaniels; noknock; police; trayvonmartin; warrants
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It would be good to have details about this. A nice provision would be that force could not be used aginst officers if a legal warrant was served before officers broke into a house.
1 posted on 03/28/2012 2:49:58 PM PDT by marktwain
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You cannot use force against an officer with a warrant. Never could.

This was started by the Indiana Supreme Court that said citizens are not allowed to resist Police, even during an illegal entry. This bill (now law) is a good reminder that we are not a Police State.


2 posted on 03/28/2012 3:01:41 PM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Azeem

Perhaps Indiana isn’t a police state, but there are a lot of others that are...


3 posted on 03/28/2012 3:10:14 PM PDT by jonascord (Ask any Democrat. He's firmly convinced that he's brighter than you.)
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To: Azeem

More states need to adopt this law.


4 posted on 03/28/2012 3:10:38 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Azeem

More states need to adopt this law.


5 posted on 03/28/2012 3:10:52 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: marktwain

Mitch Daniels for Prez.


6 posted on 03/28/2012 3:20:00 PM PDT by what's up
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To: marktwain

Your right Indiana would do well to spell that out clearly and concisely so that everyone understands it.

Warrant = legal entry

Then they need to make sure that every one of their officers gets & presents a warrant.


7 posted on 03/28/2012 3:36:41 PM PDT by Monorprise
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Kinda funny the legislature had to pass "the same" law twice. The first one was totally ignored by the Indiana Supreme Court - as in not even mentioned in its first opinion on the subject. Then, called out to render an opinion in light of the legislation they ignored the first time, the Indiana Supreme Court put out some double-speak mumbo jumbo that said the same thing as the first opinion.

I'd have impeached the entire lot of them for ignoring the legislation.

8 posted on 03/28/2012 3:40:50 PM PDT by Cboldt
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“This was started by the Indiana Supreme Court that said citizens are not allowed to resist Police, even during an illegal entry”

The idea that legislation was needed to counteract this notion makes my brain hurt. Police are not police anymore if they enter my property illegally. They are tresspassers or worse. They are, in short, criminals, just like any other criminal.


9 posted on 03/28/2012 3:46:50 PM PDT by Tublecane
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“police groups are worried that many will use it as justification for attacking officers or will not understand the law fully”

Cops are always worried about people thinking they have rights, along with everything else that makes their jobs more difficult.


10 posted on 03/28/2012 3:48:24 PM PDT by Tublecane
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A bunch of other states are following Indiana’s lead on this.

Currently, 40 other states do not recognize a common law right to resist an *unlawful* police entry. Hopefully this number will be strongly reduced, as more legislators discover what the situation is.


11 posted on 03/28/2012 3:52:16 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!")
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To: marktwain

Great!


12 posted on 03/28/2012 4:16:29 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: marktwain

Great!


13 posted on 03/28/2012 4:16:49 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: marktwain

Great!


14 posted on 03/28/2012 4:17:09 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Is there a link to which states recognize or don’t recognize the right?


15 posted on 03/28/2012 4:20:09 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle of our time is the battle of liberty against the overreach of the federal government")
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“It would be good to have details about this.”

Yes, I noticed that this article and some other sources don’t bother to give us the bill number, just the quote...”For those who don’t take the time to read the law, it is going to be devastating...”

It is Senate Bill 0001 or SB 1

http://www.in.gov/apps/lsa/session/billwatch/billinfo?year=2012&session=1&request=getBill&docno=0001&doctype=SB#latest_info

The final text is this...Senate Enrolled Act No. 1 (SEA 1)...

HTML
http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2012/SE/SE0001.1.html

PDF
http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2012/PDF/SE/SE0001.1.pdf


16 posted on 03/28/2012 4:33:24 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle of our time is the battle of liberty against the overreach of the federal government")
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I looked around for that, or for the states that do recognize the common law doctrine and I couldn’t find it.

It is kind of muddled up with the “castle doctrine”, though they are effectively different things. And there was so much outrage at the Indiana supreme court that there was just too much noise to sort through.


17 posted on 03/28/2012 4:37:59 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Thanks.

I hope to eventually get up to speed on the differences and applicable laws for “castle doctrine” — “stand your ground” — “make my day” (heard that one from a Colorado resident) — and “right to resist”.


18 posted on 03/28/2012 5:29:08 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle of our time is the battle of liberty against the overreach of the federal government")
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To: marktwain

Now if he could only get that toll road back that he, essentially, gave away to a foreign company, he might be national material.

Until then, yawn....


19 posted on 03/28/2012 5:37:58 PM PDT by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: Cboldt

This statutory provision essentially restates what the common law right had been in Indiana prior to the Supreme Court decision. There was no statutory provision before the Decision; there didn’t need to be. This right existed at the common law from the very dawn of English history.


20 posted on 03/29/2012 1:48:19 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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