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Mo. House OKs Candidate Birth Records Requirement
Associated Press ^ | March 28, 2012

Posted on 03/28/2012 6:44:59 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

JEFFERSON CITY (AP) - Birth records for presidential and vice presidential candidates would need to be publicly available for those appearing on Missouri ballots.

Political parties would be required to give the secretary of state's office proof of their candidates' identity and that they are natural born citizens of the U.S. Write-in presidential candidates also would need to provide documentation. The records would be open to the public.

(Excerpt) Read more at komu.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: jaynixon; missouri; naturalborncitizen

1 posted on 03/28/2012 6:45:06 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

When are these votes scheduled?


2 posted on 03/28/2012 6:50:08 PM PDT by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Two questions:

1) Will it be in effect for the November elections?
2) Will any documentation submitted be accepted prima facie or will there be vetting of documentation submitted?


3 posted on 03/28/2012 6:50:41 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is VERY GOOD NEWS. I understand that it needs to pass an additional vote in the Missouri House & then pass in the Senate before going on to the Governor.

This is COMMON SENSE legislation but you can expect the Democrats to be fighting this tooth & nail. If this becomes law in a battleground state such as Missouri, it is VERY BAD NEWS FOR THE DEMOCRATS.


4 posted on 03/28/2012 6:52:06 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Are the birth records required to have an official seal of the state or just copies of a certificate of birth?
5 posted on 03/28/2012 6:53:34 PM PDT by Bronzy (Send a NEWTron to Obama!)
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To: House Atreides; Free ThinkerNY

No eligible candidate should object to this law.


6 posted on 03/28/2012 6:53:55 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: LucyT; melancholy; null and void; GregNH

ping...


7 posted on 03/28/2012 6:54:51 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...
Ping
8 posted on 03/28/2012 7:00:11 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1163 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The “Show Me State” is living up to its billing.


9 posted on 03/28/2012 7:04:24 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Ten bucks says that this will be overturned by some Federal judge...very probably a Clinton or Osama Obama appointee.
10 posted on 03/28/2012 7:06:17 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter Is No Longer The Worst President To Have Served In My Lifetime.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The legal ambiguity will be whether the Secretary of State of Missouri has the right to define “natural born citizen” and what constitutes “proof” of that status.


11 posted on 03/28/2012 7:18:08 PM PDT by research99
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To: null and void

Did they clear this legislation w the anti-birthers? I don’t think they’re going to like seeing their poor, delicate, easily-offended superhero humiliated like this. Shouldn’t Obama be allowed simply to submit a signed affidavit? After all, he’s never lied yet...has he?

I hope this becomes law in time for Nov. High gas prices are dropping Obama’s poll numbers faster than Bill Clinton’s pants when a Lewinsky is on the way. The less popular Obama is, the easier it becomes to get legislation like this through. Hopefully this requirement will go all the way.


12 posted on 03/28/2012 7:25:37 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: research99
No, the "Secretary of State of Missouri" does not have "the right to define “natural born citizen”"

That is a part of the Constitution and any ambiguity in its definition should be settled by the federal courts.

13 posted on 03/28/2012 7:28:55 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: STARWISE; maggief; onyx

Will celebrate when it becomes law.


14 posted on 03/28/2012 7:36:13 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

HB 1046
Requires proof of identity and status as a United States natural born citizen for the office of President and Vice President to be submitted with other required certification documents to the Secretary of State

Sponsor: Rowland, Lyle (143)
Proposed Effective Date: 8/28/2012

http://house.missouri.gov/billsummary.aspx?bill=HB1046&year=2012&code=R


15 posted on 03/28/2012 7:37:42 PM PDT by Jonah Vark (Any 5th grader knows that the Constitution declares the separation of powers.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Good. I hope that this becomes law in the “Show Me” state.


16 posted on 03/28/2012 7:39:41 PM PDT by snowsislander (Gingrich 2012.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

BUMP!


17 posted on 03/28/2012 7:48:23 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: snowsislander

The gov of MO will not sign it. He is an Obama Dem and has his own problems with a corruption case going on. I would love to see it happen but this isn’t going anywhere.


18 posted on 03/28/2012 7:57:06 PM PDT by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: snowsislander

Good. I hope that this becomes law in the “Show Me” state.
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Yes, Missouri will definitely deserve that moniker if they pass this legislation. It will be interesting to follow the attempts to get this enacted and signed.

The Missouri House has 163 members (105 Republicans, 54 Democrats & 4 Independents) and the Senate 34 members (26 Republicans and 8 Democrats). Missouri has a Democrat Governor (Jay Nixon).

I don’t know if Nixon would veto this but, if he does, it would take a 2/3 vote in both the House & Senate to override the veto. Attempts to defeat this would be, IMHO, very dangerous for the Democrats since, as ‘thecodont’ says above, “no ELIGIBLE candidate should object to this law”.

It would take a solid monolith of ALL Democrats to prevent this from becoming law if the Republicans held together. I don’t know how many RINOs Missouri has.


19 posted on 03/28/2012 7:59:22 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: hoosiermama
"Will celebrate when it becomes law."

Even then, you may want to hold off on popping the cork on the champagne. See recent events in Georgia for reference.

20 posted on 03/28/2012 8:16:33 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So, written in Crayons won’t cut it?


21 posted on 03/28/2012 8:40:27 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Red Steel; null and void; Fantasywriter; Jonah Vark
Well this bill isn't worth squat! As used in this subsection, "natural born citizen" means having been declared a national and citizen of the United States at birth under 8 U.S.C. Sections 1401 to 1409, as amended...

This is based on 8 U.S.C. which covers ALIENS AND NATIONALITY and is positive law, not natural law.

...or having been declared a national and citizen of the United States under federal law as it existed at the time of the nominee's birth.

They've got it all wrong there as well. A natural born citizen doesn't need to be "declared" to be a natural born citizen and only a positive law can "declare" something.

22 posted on 03/28/2012 9:46:27 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: House Atreides
This is VERY GOOD NEWS.
No it isn't! Look at the wording of the bill in reply 22.
It's horrible legislation and shows how ignorant Republican Lyle Rowland is on the issue.
23 posted on 03/28/2012 9:50:00 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Seizethecarp; thecodont; LucyT; melancholy; GregNH
OMG! Read the language in this bill! See #22!
This bill is a steaming hot pile of stump stupid.
24 posted on 03/28/2012 9:52:21 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: hoosiermama; STARWISE; maggief; onyx
You don't want this thing to become law! Read the actual text of the bill as well as my snippet at #22.
This bill is outrageous.
25 posted on 03/28/2012 9:55:07 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Brown Deer
Would you mind pinging a few folks to take a gander at this piece of
#@%$)_(%^ trying to be passed so they can offer their opinion?

Link to bill text at #15 and snippet at #22.

26 posted on 03/28/2012 10:00:11 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Thanks for looking at this. These people have no clue what “natural born citizen” means. Let’s hope this version doesn’t become law.


27 posted on 03/28/2012 10:12:52 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: philman_36; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...


Link to bill text at #15 and snippet at #22.
28 posted on 03/28/2012 10:13:16 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: thecodont; Jonah Vark
Thanks for looking at this.
Jonah Vark deserves credit and KUDOS for posting the bill link.
I was just being my normal curious self by following/reading it.

These people have no clue what “natural born citizen” means.
That becomes more obvious by the day.

29 posted on 03/28/2012 10:24:28 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Brown Deer

Thank you!


30 posted on 03/28/2012 10:24:59 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Wow! Seeing this bill has sure driven you into a frenzy of posts. I agree that the bill writers do not have a correct understanding of “natural born citizen” as it relates to eligibility for the office of the Presidency and that is a flaw. However, flawed as it is, it is not a FATAL flaw in my opinion. At least it is taking a baby step in the right direction and offers at least the possibility of shaking loose REAL documentation on Obama’s birth. The alternative is to leave things AS THEY ARE NOW—specifically with no requirement for documentation. Perhaps you’d prefer that?

Now I’m not a fool. I know that in Missouri (with its Secretary of State being the corrupt Robin Carnahan) it will be possible that the bills intentions could be sabotaged in practice by the SOS and/or corrupt judge(s). But this represents (imperfect as it is) movement in the right direction. And that baby step is a legal requirement that valid documentation must be provided.


31 posted on 03/28/2012 11:16:15 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: philman_36; null and void
So this bill is some sort of toothless sop to the conservatives? Typical zer0 move.  
32 posted on 03/29/2012 7:01:36 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: House Atreides
Seeing this bill has sure driven you into a frenzy of posts.
Is there something wrong with trying to inform others that they need to actually read the bill instead of relying on an article for information?

The alternative is to leave things AS THEY ARE NOW—specifically with no requirement for documentation. Perhaps you’d prefer that?
IMO the current state of affairs is better than this lousy bill.

33 posted on 03/29/2012 8:22:18 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: TheOldLady
So this bill is some sort of toothless sop to the conservatives?
I don't know if that's what it's intended to be. I do know that it's a horrible bill.
IMO it basically says a naturalized alien can be POTUS and it steps over the Constitution in defining a natural born citizen.
34 posted on 03/29/2012 8:26:35 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Yes, I caught that. I'm saying that they're using their usual snowjobberol to make people think they're doing something about
zer0's being an illegal alien, but that's not what the purpose of the bill is. In fact, it's just the opposite, and it is despicable.  

[entirely too much steam coming out of my ears these days]
35 posted on 03/29/2012 8:47:11 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: research99
The legal ambiguity will be whether the Secretary of State of Missouri has the right to define “natural born citizen” and what constitutes “proof” of that status.

And when should the secretary schedule the big secret visit that will be to aid in the decision?

36 posted on 03/29/2012 9:27:22 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Seizethecarp; LucyT; melancholy; null and void; GregNH
While this feels very good, its practical application will most likely never happen.

So Obama gives them the "Birth Certificate." BFD.
(1)They accept it at face value,
(2)The DNC says he's a "Natural Born Citizen."
(3)Back to square 1.

A responsible state official must simply remove Obama from the ballot, which he has a perfect right ... a duty actually ... to do. The ball must be place in Team Obama's court.

37 posted on 03/29/2012 8:34:22 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: philman_36

Yep. Rotten legislation.


38 posted on 03/30/2012 12:50:33 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Plummz

Pretty sad that a Republican wrote it, isn’t it.


39 posted on 03/30/2012 4:03:25 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Has CAIR filed a suit yet?


40 posted on 03/30/2012 4:04:27 PM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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