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'Relocating' children - Hundreds of Oklahoma kids carted away from school grounds
The American Thinker ^ | March 29, 2012 | Jason McNew

Posted on 03/29/2012 5:12:23 AM PDT by Gennie

'Relocating' children

March 29, 2012

It's 11AM. Do you know where your children are? Hundreds of Oklahoma kids carted away from school grounds without parental consent or knowledge.

Jason McNew

Recently, there has been a disturbing nation-wide trend of parental rights being trampled upon by public school officials, from bag-lunch inspections to electronic bracelets being used to spy on overweight kids. This week brings another example of complete disregard for parental rights, this time from Grove High School in Delaware County, Oklahoma.

Grove High School transported 699 kids away from school property without first notifying parents of their intent to do so, nor obtaining the parents consent. Parents were only told, by way of this nondescript robo-call, that there would be a "drill":

"This call is to inform you that Grove Public Schools will be conducting an emergency exercise on Tuesday, March 27, 2012. The drill's purpose is to extend the school's preparedness in the event of a real emergency. Please be aware, this is only a drill. Thanks and have a good evening."

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arth; children; education; homeschool; homeschooling; oklahoma; onlinelearning; schools
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1 posted on 03/29/2012 5:12:32 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: Gennie

The “public school” is BY FAR, the largest, most expensive, most subversive, and most destructive entitlement program in the country.

The “public school” is better understood as the “government school collective”.

It is silly to imagine that you can fix the public schools, because the very concept itself is communist.

Any child that comes out of the government school collective with their moral compass and common sense intact does so in spite of the government school indoctrination, not because of it.

If you want to win the culture war, have lots of children (see my tagline) and homeschool them or form your own school cooperative with your church or synagogue and like-minded friends and relatives.

Nobody loves your children more than you do.

Nobody can teach your children like you can.

Your children would love nothing better than to be taught by you, if you start doing so before they are corrupted by the government school collective.

It is hypocritical for you to submit your children to an authority with whom you fundamentally disagree. And your children will know it.

If you have children, make whatever sacrifices you must to get them out of the public schools.

DO NOT FEED THE BEAST!

Especially not with your own children.


2 posted on 03/29/2012 5:13:50 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook

I disagree. A good public school, and there are many, can teach French, German, Spanish, and perhaps even Russian and Chinese better than most of us can. A good public school can teach science better than most of us even know so many different fields of science, writing better than we can teach it, and math beyond what most adults remember or perhaps ever learned. What it cannot do is teach values, and parents need to talk with their public (or private) school kids daily and correct or clarify any moral lessons that the schools messed up (whether intentionally or inadvertently). There is a lot of good in public schools, although I wish more conservatives would teach there and help them to resist liberal, anti-Christian, pro-socialism values lessons.


3 posted on 03/29/2012 5:18:25 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Can we afford as much government as welfare-addicted voters demand?)
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To: Pollster1
Your reply is heresy around here. Expect to be called a child abuser any time now.
4 posted on 03/29/2012 5:23:26 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Haggai 1, V6.. and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. (My plight))
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To: Pollster1

>>>There is a lot of good in public schools, although I wish more conservatives would teach there and help them to resist liberal, anti-Christian, pro-socialism values lessons.>>>

Your last sentence proves why children should be HOME SCHOOLED.


5 posted on 03/29/2012 5:24:04 AM PDT by kitkat (Obama, rope and chains)
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To: Pollster1
Teach our kids ENGLISH and let the damn French, German, Spanish, Russian AND Chinese learn it too!
6 posted on 03/29/2012 5:24:22 AM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: Pollster1
What it cannot do is teach values

Oh, on the contrary, it DOES teach values. Worldly, secular, atheist, State worshipping (Nietzschian) values.

No information is presented in a values-neutral vacuum.

7 posted on 03/29/2012 5:25:14 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Gennie

I think the key here is with out parental notification. I remember in the fifties when I was in school we had city wide disaster (they were actually nuclear) drills where we would practise evacuating everyone. These were the hot days of the cold war and we were very near a possible ground zero. It was almost as good as a snow day but not quite. Because everyone was involved parents knew a) their children would be sent to a particular location and b) they had to show up at a particular location as well. These didn’t happen all that often but they were a stark reminder of the risks involved in living.


8 posted on 03/29/2012 5:25:40 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Gennie

I’m sorry, but what kind of drill is this? What kind of emergency allows enough time to arrange bus transportation, but not enough time to notify parents?


9 posted on 03/29/2012 5:25:55 AM PDT by USMCWife6869
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To: Gennie

Nothing to see here folks move along, just practicing for when there is martial law


10 posted on 03/29/2012 5:31:32 AM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: Pollster1

If public schools stopped at those lessons, you’d have a point. Unfortunately, too many do teach values—the subversive kind.

Also, if a homeschool parent relies solely on his/her knowledge of a subject IOT teach, then that parent will fail. There are many, MANY terrific resources to draw upon that can teach your child beyond your expertise in a given field.


11 posted on 03/29/2012 5:33:02 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (If we had a President, he'd look like Newt.)
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To: Pollster1

If public schools stopped at those lessons, you’d have a point. Unfortunately, too many do teach values—the subversive kind.

Also, if a homeschool parent relies solely on his/her knowledge of a subject IOT teach, then that parent will fail. There are many, MANY terrific resources to draw upon that can teach your child beyond your expertise in a given field.


12 posted on 03/29/2012 5:33:02 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (If we had a President, he'd look like Newt.)
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To: USMCWife6869

That was my question. Whenever my son travels away from his school on sponsored events, I always have to sign a permission form. Given that there was no actual emergency in progress, this sounds like kidnapping.


13 posted on 03/29/2012 5:34:10 AM PDT by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

IMO, publics schools’ PRIMARY PURPOSE today is to teach values, to indoctrinate children into the leftist worldview.

This was one of the goals of the communists from the 50’s.
Take over the education system. And they have.


14 posted on 03/29/2012 5:36:20 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Pollster1

Public schools...damned if they do, damned if they don’t.


15 posted on 03/29/2012 5:37:04 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: USMCWife6869
The Gulag hereby condemns your post as bourgeois rationalism and counter-revolutionary !

Such deviation from the glorious socialist paradigm will not be tolerated !

Get with the program, comrade !

16 posted on 03/29/2012 5:40:23 AM PDT by tomkat ( FU.baraq !)
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To: Gennie

The irony of this discussion is that I have to fill out a detailed list of “allowed to pick up my kid” trusted individuals with the school and daycare. I get 3, maybe 4, spots for that category because I must enter the person’s name, address and phone number. I’ve had to call the school before to say that someone else like my brother can pick them up because a grandparent isn’t available. And they must call me and get my permission if someone other than that list is there to pick them up AND have to call me if the kid has to go to an ER.
Yet a stranger could do so under this “drill”, without telling me and without me knowing who. Anyone claiming to be a bureaucrat could take kids and do anything.
Waving a badge and claiming official business has more privileges than family members I authorize - or the parents themselves.

They CANNOT be allowed to take kids from where I expect them to be without my consent, much less my knowledge.
The worst daycare I ever used CALLED me when there was a fire and they couldn’t go to the planned evacuation point - so the kids were across the street instead of next door. But the public school claims the right to cart kids in buses, not tell anyone where and not have the right to say where?


17 posted on 03/29/2012 5:41:00 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: kitkat

Just out of curiosity, what was the highest level of mathematics that you ever took and passed?


18 posted on 03/29/2012 5:41:27 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Gennie

bump

Remember the government now considers themselves “co-parents”.


19 posted on 03/29/2012 5:43:38 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Pollster1

Public schools can’t even teach English properly, no way it takes that long.


20 posted on 03/29/2012 5:45:21 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Gennie

In the times we live in, I see a far more sinister purpose for this “emergency drill”.

This emergency drill is performed EVERY DAY when school lets out, and hundreds get on school busses to go home, without incident.

The lack of parental notification was deliberate, not an oversight.

If you want to keep a bunch of adults under control , the government can just separate you from your kids under some pretense, and then you will do what you are told.

The superintendent of this district should be fired. He created a huge insurance liabilty for the district, and it is a good thing there was not a vehicular or personal accident.He is just too stupid, or indoctrinated, to be given the charge of other people’s children.

The whole notion of this drill is specious at best.


21 posted on 03/29/2012 5:46:42 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: Gennie

I don’t have a problem with this so long as they are carting them and their parents back to their legal country.


22 posted on 03/29/2012 5:50:44 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: AppyPappy
I don’t have a problem with this so long as they are carting them and their parents back to their legal country.

That was wetback-ist.

Consider yourself warned, comrade !

23 posted on 03/29/2012 5:53:49 AM PDT by tomkat ( FU.baraq !)
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To: Pollster1

I am assuming, hoping, you just forgot the sarcasm tag.


24 posted on 03/29/2012 5:55:13 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Westbrook
Mrs. Thorne and I send Little Miss Perfect Thorne to an evangelical Christian school. She's moving into middle school there next year with an attendant $4,000 rise in tuition.

It hurts, but we've decided that we cannot sacrifice our daughter on the "free" altar of the hateful, anti-American public schools. They are the greatest threat that we face to thew future of America.

Any Christian who doesn't either homeschool or send their child to a reputable Christian school is breaking God's commandment to "train up a child in the way he should go" - Proverbs 22:6.

25 posted on 03/29/2012 5:57:45 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: Pollster1

> I disagree

I understand.

But the government school collective is communist in nature.

See http://www.schoolandstate.org/home.htm for details on why government school collectives are intrinsically evil.

The great fun about homeschooling, and the most powerful aspect of it, is that you get to learn as your children learn, and they reinforce their knowledge by teaching it to the younger ones. We basically have a one-room schoolhouse.

One of our homeschooled daughters is learning Chinese and teaching it to her younger siblings. As with all foreign language, if you have nobody to practice with, you will not learn. Conjugations and dictionary drills are meaningless without context. Virtually everybody in our house speaks or understands at least two languages, because we not only learn them at home but occasionally attend church services and social events where these languages are spoken almost exclusively. We have also hosted foreign students in our home.

As for the sciences, there are tutors, videos, books, so many resources. If you have a computer, and you must in order to be reading this, many experiments can be conducted with software simulations. However, it’s neither hard nor expensive to set up a basic chem lab and biology lab.

For shop, there are always things around the house or apartment that need repairs and remodeling. Woodworking, mechanics, plumbing, electrical, as well as sewing, baking, meals and nutrition, are all part of home and hearth.

Another great resource is http://www.khanacademy.org/

The per-student cost in our school collective is about $20,000. Fully 85% of my exorbitant property tax is used to support this collective. Most of the children “graduate” as functionally illiterate and innumerate.

Our per-student cost is less than $1000, mostly books materials subscriptions and tutors, and I’ll be hanged if my capable children will “graduate” illiterate or innumerate.

Two of our nine children still at home are very special needs children, and we have a program for them that will encourage them to make something of themselves and be self-supporting.

Nobody will love your children like you do.
Nobody can reach your children like you can.
Nobody knows your children better than you.
Nobody can teach your children better than you.

The government school collective is filled with silly junk science and socialistic influences. The Education Colleges are mills of socialistic indoctrination.

The government school collective system is moribund and cannot be salvaged.

Time for a new paradigm.


26 posted on 03/29/2012 6:00:53 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Nifster; kitkat
I have no clue about kitkat’s education, but I have 7 grandchildren all home schooled. Three have graduated from university with the highest of honors, one after three years (no summers). The three now attending college scores were so high that scholarships were in abundance. One missed a perfect ACT by only 2 points. So......
Government schools = child abuse.
27 posted on 03/29/2012 6:01:47 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Pollster1
"A good public school can teach science better than most of us even know so many different fields of science, writing better than we can teach it, and math beyond what most adults remember or perhaps ever learned."

Not necessarily. A education degree (which is what most public school teachers have) doesn't necessiarly give you any degree of special expertise in any of those disiplines. Home schooled children consistently test and perform higher in all those subjects than public school students do.

28 posted on 03/29/2012 6:06:32 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Nifster
When I was school in California during the forties and fifties, we wen under our desk's during a disaster drill unless it was a fire drill, then outside.
29 posted on 03/29/2012 6:06:52 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Amen to everything you said!!!

But this one bears repeating ...

> Any Christian who doesn’t either homeschool or send their
> child to a reputable Christian school is breaking God’s
> commandment to “train up a child in the way he should go” -
> Proverbs 22:6.


30 posted on 03/29/2012 6:07:54 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

I went to a public school. My daughter went to public school. I was the parent who some teachers absolutely loved and others would go ‘ugh’ about. I was involved. I was there. I made sure that education took place.

I agree that the current trends seem to be that public school is the place to deal with ‘social issues’. I would be looking for a top notch private school before home schooling. I am not against home schooling for I think parents do a good job ( for the most part) of educating their children. I merely note that laboratory facilities for chemostry lab and ohysics lab and higher level mathematics classes are usually beyond the perview of most parents.


31 posted on 03/29/2012 6:10:25 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Coldwater Creek

duck and cover


32 posted on 03/29/2012 6:11:09 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Pollster1

>>A good public school, and there are many, can teach French, German, Spanish, and perhaps even Russian and Chinese better than most of us can. A good public school can teach science better than most of us even know so many different fields of science, writing better than we can teach it, and math beyond what most adults remember or perhaps ever learned.<<

I agree with you. However, one must weight the good and the bad.
My girls go to a class with “The Science Lady”. She is a real accredited teacher who offers classes out of her basement. Students from her classes have aced the ACTs.
They use Saxon (the 12-year-old is doing Algebra 2 and the 14-year-old is about to start “Advanced Math”), they are on their fourth year of Latin on Powerspeak and want to start Japanese next year. They take High School writing and liturature at a co-op.

The point is, for the 15,000 per student that Michigan pays to public schools, I educated my children well above their standards and for a fraction of the cost. AND socially, they don’t get the garbage in Public Schools.

The problem with the “there are lots of good public schools” is the fact that the education of a student in the USA falls FAR below “lots” of countries in the world and we spend more.


33 posted on 03/29/2012 6:13:09 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: Dr. Thorne

A Lutheran take on this issue: Parents are placed in the position of authority over their children. It is the parents job to educate the child. The parent may choose to place their child in a school or do it themselves. If they use a school, the parents are temporarily transfering that authority to the teachers.

A parent better be very sure of who those teachers are and what they will be teaching the child. The teachers are doing your job for you!


34 posted on 03/29/2012 6:15:39 AM PDT by freemama
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To: exit82

I agree!! If there was no issue, and this was a planned procedure, why not just let parents be completely notified? Why not OBTAIN PERMISSION?! Disturbing.


35 posted on 03/29/2012 6:16:38 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: Gennie

As a matter of fact, I do. She is lying in bed next to me under our warm electric blanket while we do her school work. We started the day with a beautiful prayer. In the cesspool world of government education I would do whatever it took to teach my kids this way.


36 posted on 03/29/2012 6:16:46 AM PDT by republicanbred (...and when I die I'll be republican dead.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Government schools = child abuse.

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Your grandkids sound great, and you can be justifiably proud of them.

They sound pretty much like my 3 public school educated kids. 2 of whom are college graduates, good citizens, good careers, parents to be. 3rd still in college, doing fine.

They’ve turned out pretty well considering the fact that their father (me) engaged in decades of child abuse, at least according to you.


37 posted on 03/29/2012 6:18:17 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Westbrook

TRUER WORDS HAVE NEVER BEEN SPOKEN. I pray to God that people will have ears to hear. Most are ‘in denial’ because it is so scary and so expensive to face. But it is worth it.

Search out a lifestyle that will get your children OUT of government school.

Mrs. Esopman


38 posted on 03/29/2012 6:18:41 AM PDT by esopman (Blessings on Freepers Everywhere, and Their Supremely Intelligent Designer)
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To: Westbrook

Bump to #26.

We’ve homeschooled both our kids, and I can’t recommend it highly enough. My oldest is about to graduate, never having set foot in a school.
In our computer age, to say that the existing school model is antiquated is an understatement.

Beyond reading, basic math, and religion, nothing else is essential to formal education. Schooling and education are not synonymous, and are often antithetical.

My sympathy lies with unschooling, but in a compromise with my wife, we settled on a pre-packaged Catholic curriculum.

Neither of my children are interested in science or math, but they jumped through the requisite hoops. IMO, they would have been better off pursuing something of interest to themselves.

But these decisions should be left to parents. And homeschooling gives parents greater freedom than any alternative.

Most importantly, parents and children are free to practice their religion as they see fit.


39 posted on 03/29/2012 6:18:43 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Dr. Thorne

“Mrs. Thorne and I send Little Miss Perfect Thorne to an evangelical Christian school. She’s moving into middle school there next year with an attendant $4,000 rise in tuition.
It hurts, but we’ve decided that we cannot sacrifice our daughter on the “free” altar of the hateful, anti-American public schools. They are the greatest threat that we face to thew future of America.

Any Christian who doesn’t either homeschool or send their child to a reputable Christian school is breaking God’s commandment to “train up a child in the way he should go” - Proverbs 22:6.”

As a Christian who has been called to teach in a public school I find your post extremely offensive. If the Lord has led you to home school or to send your child to a private school, by all means do so. But just as Jesus rebuked Peter when he question what John’s call would be, you have no right to tell other Christians they must follow your call.

Whenever this subject comes up on FR I am reminded that there are still plenty of Pharisees around today.


40 posted on 03/29/2012 6:19:24 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: Pollster1

I am a former public school teacher and a homeschool mom. Please believe me that German and Chinese will do no good for a child who has been psychosocially and morally damaged by public schools.

In all kindness, there are ways for children to learn more esoteric subjects at home, and homeschool parents figure this out everyday.

Blessings,
Mrs. Esopman


41 posted on 03/29/2012 6:22:51 AM PDT by esopman (Blessings on Freepers Everywhere, and Their Supremely Intelligent Designer)
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To: Nifster; kitkat; Coldwater Creek

>>Just out of curiosity, what was the highest level of mathematics that you ever took and passed?<<

Ooooo, let me answer!!!!
Junior high pre-algebra.

But I’m not teaching math to my kids. These people are...
http://saxonpublishers.hmhco.com/en/sxnm_home.htm
http://www.khanacademy.org/

And if they don’t get it, another homeschooling parent or student helps them out.

There’s this thing. It’s called “the internet”. It’s a wealth of information. In fact, there is a site called “Free Republic” with a “chat” forum. I can’t tell you how many Algebra problems I’ve popped up on there and gotten TONS of people helping out.

But my kids don’t hang out with the crossdressers and gay couples like their “Public School” friends. That’s actually quite alright with me.


42 posted on 03/29/2012 6:24:01 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: Gennie

Reason number 627 to immediately remove your kids from government schools. Homeschool them or send them to a private school.

We are rapidly approaching the point where sending your kids to government schools could be considered child abuse.


43 posted on 03/29/2012 6:25:11 AM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: USMCWife6869
I'll answer your questions with a couple if my own.

What, exactly, would parents comply with if their children were essentially held hostage? What would you give up to have your children returned to you?

44 posted on 03/29/2012 6:29:06 AM PDT by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)
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To: Pollster1

Yikes! I have to correct a fact.

Michigan pays 7,500 per student. It’s 15,000 for the two kids.

I pay 300.00 per year.


45 posted on 03/29/2012 6:30:25 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: Gennie; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself) The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.
46 posted on 03/29/2012 6:30:36 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Pollster1
[There is a lot of good in public schools, although I wish more conservatives would teach there and help them to resist liberal, anti-Christian, pro-socialism values lessons.]

Yep.

I particularly like this public "school"...






...where the writing on the wall is a little more literate than the usual graffiti work-product commonly associated with public edumatational facilities these days.
47 posted on 03/29/2012 6:31:14 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Gennie

If there is an emergency at my kid’s school, I fully hope AND expect the school to make EVERY effort to protect my children should I not be able to get there.

If that means transporting them to a local OR long distance location that offers safety, with OR without my permission...so be it.

I would also appreciate that the school’s admin is PRACTICING this maneuver so their efforts, in a true emergency, would go smoothly.

What’s the alternative? The school staff drops everything and runs...leaving the kids behind?


48 posted on 03/29/2012 6:32:57 AM PDT by moovova (Comments at FreeRepublic are WAY MORE interesting than the articles.)
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To: esopman

-—.Most are ‘in denial’ because it is so scary and so expensive to face. But it is worth it.-—

People measure this decision in a worldly way, seeing only the cost of tuition or the loss of a second income. What does it profit a man to gain the world, but lose his soul? But there are countless earthly blessings to homeschooling as well.

How much would you pay for grounded, happy, conservative, religious children, who will be a blessing to you throughout their adult lives, as opposed to having troubled, unhappy, liberal, religious children?

Of course, I’m painting with a broad brush. There are exceptions. But my conclusion derives from observing 20, now adult, nieces and nephews of practicing Catholic parents, and from my general observation of government and homeschooled kids.

People cringe when I tell them I have teenage girls. But they couldn’t be easier to deal with or more fun to hang around with.


49 posted on 03/29/2012 6:33:02 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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This was not a REAL emergency, this was a PLANNED event. Big difference. In a planned event, parents should know where their kids are going to be in case of their OWN emergency, as well as piece of mind and because well, they being the parents. This was handled poorly. The superintendent's argument was that because the children were to remain on school buses the entire time during the drill, which is considred "school property", they did not need parental consent even though they physically moved the children from one location to another, unbeknownst to the parents.
50 posted on 03/29/2012 6:40:37 AM PDT by Gennie
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