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Network names 13-year-old witness! (Drudge's Title)
ABC News ^

Posted on 03/29/2012 9:49:13 AM PDT by MNDude

George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch crime captain who shot dead 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News.

Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.

The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager.

In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.

The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning. He was not arrested.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


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To: MNDude
Accepted. ;o)

I just don't want FR to get bogged down about race and ethnicity, making US look like we're fixated on it, even though the poverty pimps, Al and Jesse, are trying desperately to make the story about just that.

51 posted on 03/29/2012 10:46:35 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: MNDude

Hey, that reporter looks just like Obama’s son.


52 posted on 03/29/2012 10:46:48 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: SuziQ

Too late,


53 posted on 03/29/2012 10:48:38 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: MNDude

...and after ABC World News Tonight, stay tuned for another hilarious episode of America’s Funniest Rape Victims.../s


54 posted on 03/29/2012 10:51:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SuziQ
His/Her race is irrelevant. Why even bring it up?

You can't REALLY believe that. The ideal rainbows and lollipops colorblind world never existed, except maybe on children's TV. In situations like this, race is everything. And in this case the black reporter turned up the heat on the dirty little race-traitor snitch.

It worked, too. His momma is already on TV contradicting her son.

55 posted on 03/29/2012 10:53:04 AM PDT by jboot
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To: rainee
Knowing how highly charged this is, I don’t know anyone in their right mind that would consent to releasing their childs’ name to this story..maybe $$$?

It's not the money, it's the reality show mentality. Everyone wants to have their 15 minutes of narcissism on the idiot box.

56 posted on 03/29/2012 11:05:38 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Romney's judicial appointments were more radical than Obama's)
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To: MNDude

:: he saw a man fitting Zimmerman’s description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot ::

Interesting that there is no mention of the location/position of Martin in this report. Selective editing, I wonder?


57 posted on 03/29/2012 11:15:01 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

IIRC in his initial report he stated TM was on top.

Just a thought. The young man’s testamony will be in private judges chambers, don’t know it JJ and Sharpton will know what he’s says.
Mom OTOH can say anything she wants in public to cover his back. She won’t be on the stand. She just may be saving his life.

Hopefully the witness tampering will be covered in questioning.


58 posted on 03/29/2012 11:24:31 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: MNDude
then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.

I don't think that's what the reporter meant to say.

59 posted on 03/29/2012 11:38:10 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: GreenHornet

Now Spike Lee and Roseanne Barr can tweet the kid’s home address.


60 posted on 03/29/2012 11:39:30 AM PDT by bgill
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To: MNDude

So, soon a drive-by will occur in the neighborhood or at school, and the media will be at fault?


61 posted on 03/29/2012 11:39:58 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: ryan71

“Austin Brown had better not be.......”

without protection. And a lawyer.


62 posted on 03/29/2012 11:41:16 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: hoosiermama

:: IIRC in his initial report he stated TM was on top. ::

So, my “selective editing” by the media was probably correct.


63 posted on 03/29/2012 11:41:50 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: GreenHornet

Now Spike Lee and Roseanne Barr can tweet the kid’s home address.


64 posted on 03/29/2012 11:43:15 AM PDT by bgill
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To: MNDude

bttt


65 posted on 03/29/2012 11:43:43 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (How do you say Arkanicide in Kenyan?)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel; maggief

Yelp.

If you haven’t read the initial police reports etc it’s worth the time. If nothing more to recognize the BS and blank spots when you read the MSM articles.

Maggief posted everything again today, and yesterday, and....Just do a search on her name.


66 posted on 03/29/2012 11:46:51 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Ironic, the same press that cannot print anything about His Excellencies backgroud because they never looked, can crawl through every nook and craney to find out info on this shooting. Amazingly indictable.


67 posted on 03/29/2012 11:48:35 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: PapaBear3625

Another question:
Would it be possible to shot someone with the gun still in the holster?


68 posted on 03/29/2012 11:51:01 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Moonman62

Really?

I doubt that. Where is an arrest report?

Zimmerman was not arrested, just detained. And later - after 5 hours of questioning - he was released with no charges filed.

Detained - not arrested.

Big difference.


69 posted on 03/29/2012 11:53:55 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: aruanan
He was arrested, but not charged.
 
 
Nope. See post 69.


70 posted on 03/29/2012 11:56:38 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: hoosiermama

Thanks for note. I’ve read them 3-4 times already and have a quick-link to them for reference.


71 posted on 03/29/2012 12:01:03 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: hoosiermama
Would it be possible to shot someone with the gun still in the holster?

Yes. If the trigger mechanism is activated while in a holster the gun will fire.

72 posted on 03/29/2012 12:10:24 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Ajnin

What kind of evidence would be left in the holster if any?


73 posted on 03/29/2012 12:16:46 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: greatvikingone

FTA: the witnesses’ mom isn’t saying it wasn’t self-defense. She’s saying the cop who interviewed her son said it wasn’t self-defense.


74 posted on 03/29/2012 12:18:31 PM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: Ajnin
Could the holster cause the cartilage not to eject?
75 posted on 03/29/2012 12:24:39 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Really? I doubt that. Where is an arrest report? Zimmerman was not arrested, just detained. And later - after 5 hours of questioning - he was released with no charges filed. Detained - not arrested. Big difference.

Look up Florida's "Stop and frisk law." Once someone has been briefly detained and questioned, the police have two options, let the person go or arrest them due to probable cause. Once someone has been moved from the scene, it's no longer considered a brief detention.

76 posted on 03/29/2012 12:30:05 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: hoosiermama
Would it be possible to shot someone with the gun still in the holster?

It might be. It depends on the holster. One of the main purposes of a holster is to shield the trigger from being pressed while still in the holster. But if the gun fired while in the holster, then Zimmerman would have been shot in the leg, rather than Martin getting shot in the chest.

77 posted on 03/29/2012 12:32:51 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: PapaBear3625

We don’t know where Martin was except on top. If they were fighting over the gun as Z said, and the gun was at his side in the holster when the first policeman arrived, I question if the gun got totally out of the holster.

On FOX just now they played one of the 911 calls.(from a woman) Voice could be heard calling for help and during it the gun went off.


78 posted on 03/29/2012 12:40:44 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama

strictly speculating. It could be that the gun was always in the holster. Martin decked zimmerman. (and as reported was pounding away on him with zimmerman) zimerman is calling for help and at that point martin realizes zimerman has a holstered gun. That is when the struggle for the gun ensues. Of course this is all speculation but for martin being on top hitting and zimerman calling for help.


79 posted on 03/29/2012 12:45:42 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Moonman62
OK, I looked it up.
 
You are still wrong. He was not arrested, only detained.
 

901.151 Stop and Frisk Law.

(1)  This section may be known and cited as the "Florida Stop and Frisk Law."

(2)  Whenever any law enforcement officer of this state encounters any person under circumstances which reasonably indicate that such person has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a violation of the criminal laws of this state or the criminal ordinances of any municipality or county, the officer may temporarily detain such person for the purpose of ascertaining the identity of the person temporarily detained and the circumstances surrounding the person's presence abroad which led the officer to believe that the person had committed, was committing, or was about to commit a criminal offense.

(3)  No person shall be temporarily detained under the provisions of subsection (2) longer than is reasonably necessary to effect the purposes of that subsection. Such temporary detention shall not extend beyond the place where it was first effected or the immediate vicinity thereof.

(4)  If at any time after the onset of the temporary detention authorized by subsection (2), probable cause for arrest of person shall appear, the person shall be arrested. If, after an inquiry into the circumstances which prompted the temporary detention, no probable cause for the arrest of the person shall appear, the person shall be released.

(5)  Whenever any law enforcement officer authorized to detain temporarily any person under the provisions of subsection (2) has probable cause to believe that any person whom the officer has temporarily detained, or is about to detain temporarily, is armed with a dangerous weapon and therefore offers a threat to the safety of the officer or any other person, the officer may search such person so temporarily detained only to the extent necessary to disclose, and for the purpose of disclosing, the presence of such weapon. If such a search discloses such a weapon or any evidence of a criminal offense it may be seized.

(6)  No evidence seized by a law enforcement officer in any search under this section shall be admissible against any person in any court of this state or political subdivision thereof unless the search which disclosed its existence was authorized by and conducted in compliance with the provisions of subsections (2)-(5).

80 posted on 03/29/2012 12:45:58 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: longtermmemmory

That’s why I’m questioning. “Is it possible?”, If so, will ballistic test determine the position of the gun when it fired. Will there be evidence?

We know cartledge didn’t eject. Freeper said some thing may have blocked it.

Asked yesterday if DNA or finger prints would be on gun/holster. Hopefully that is what we are waiting on.


81 posted on 03/29/2012 12:57:42 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Apparently you missed this part:
Such temporary detention shall not extend beyond the place where it was first effected or the immediate vicinity thereof.

82 posted on 03/29/2012 1:04:46 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

So? If you feel the cops were in violation of this stop and fisk law, then say so.

But the fact still remains that Zimmerman WAS NOT ARRESTED that night.


83 posted on 03/29/2012 1:13:46 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
(4) If at any time after the onset of the temporary detention authorized by subsection (2), probable cause for arrest of person shall appear, the person shall be arrested. If, after an inquiry into the circumstances which prompted the temporary detention, no probable cause for the arrest of the person shall appear, the person shall be released.

Here's the other part of the law you're ignoring.

(4) If at any time after the onset of the temporary detention authorized by subsection (2), probable cause for arrest of person shall appear, the person shall be arrested. If, after an inquiry into the circumstances which prompted the temporary detention, no probable cause for the arrest of the person shall appear, the person shall be released.
Zimmerman wasn't released. He was handcuffed and removed from the scene in a police car, therefore he was arrested according to the law -- the law of Florida, and the law according to the Constitution (look up Florida v Royer (1983)). Your use of caps lock doesn't negate that.
84 posted on 03/29/2012 1:22:41 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
CAN A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER DETAIN YOU WITHOUT ARRESTING YOU?

Based upon reasonable suspicion that you may be involved in criminal activity, a police officer may require you to identify yourself and explain your presence at a particular time, without arresting you. Under Florida law the officer may not remove you from the immediate vicinity without making an arrest, unless you voluntarily accompany the officer to some other location.


(emphasis mine)
 
 
Click the link and look for other loopy loop-holes to support your weak argument. I don't care.
 
As I keep saying - Zimmerman was not arrested. He was detained. And no charges have been brough to him as I FReep this.
 
If Zimmerman had not voluntarily accompanied the officer to some other location,. then perhaps he might have been arrested. But that's not what happened
 
Zimmerman did voluntarily accompany the officer to some other location.
 
 


85 posted on 03/29/2012 1:40:14 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Zimmerman did voluntarily accompany the officer to some other location.

Being handcuffed and transported in the back of a police car is not voluntary. Thanks for making my case.

86 posted on 03/29/2012 2:17:20 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

Is there no limit to what you don’t know? For instance, ANY one who informs the cops that he just shot that man who’s lying dead over there is ALWAYS cuffed. Standard procedure. How do you know the cuffs were still on as he VOLUNTARILY was taken to the precinct?

Try answering these qauestions...

How many hours was Zimmerman detained?

Was his attorney there?

Did Zimmerman cooperate with the poloce?


87 posted on 03/29/2012 2:35:37 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
For instance, ANY one who informs the cops that he just shot that man who’s lying dead over there is ALWAYS cuffed. Standard procedure.

Absolutely. Zimmerman was cuffed while he was disarmed and that's covered by the "stop and frisk" law.

How do you know the cuffs were still on as he VOLUNTARILY was taken to the precinct?

LOL!

Voluntary is when the police inform Zimmerman that he is free to leave and that he can meet them at the police station.

88 posted on 03/29/2012 2:57:00 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: MNDude

Aren’t there laws against naming minor witnesses?


89 posted on 03/29/2012 3:29:30 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: MNDude

Parents need to lawyer up and sue them into oblivion.


90 posted on 03/29/2012 3:33:03 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: tbw2

Probably not in the Pedophile Liberal Progressive community.


91 posted on 03/29/2012 4:25:44 PM PDT by BilLies (Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hate your Traditional American guts!)
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To: hoosiermama
Is it possible to shot a gun without aiming and shooting it?

There was a story a couple days ago where a little girl was jumping on her parents' bed. A gun under the mattress went off, and wounded her in the leg. So yes, I suppose it is indeed possible. So if Martin was jumping on George, perhaps the gun under George went off.

92 posted on 03/29/2012 7:03:08 PM PDT by roadcat
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