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Recovered firearms to be destroyed
foxtoledo.com ^ | 28 March, 2012 | NA

Posted on 03/29/2012 10:02:29 AM PDT by marktwain

TOLEDO, Ohio (WUPW) - Nearly 150 firearms recovered over the past six months in Toledo will soon be melted down at a foundry.

"They vary anywhere from little Derringers all the way to assault rifles," said Toledo police spokesman Sgt. Joe Heffernan. "It's a little collection of things that we've obtained through search warrants, and traffic stops. Some people just have a firearm they don't want anymore. They'll turn it in to us to have it destroyed."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: banglist; destroy; gun; oh
What is it about the left that they glory in the willful destruction of valuable assets?

It is a form of magical thinking the places evil into inanimate objects.

There is a movement in a number of legislatures to forbid this sort of willful wasting of resources, to require the auction of these valuable assets.

The major purpose of this sort of destruction seems to be to indoctrinate the public into believing that guns are intrinsicly evil.

The only economic effect of these actions is to increase the demand for new guns. No doubt many gun manufacturers approve.

1 posted on 03/29/2012 10:02:33 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

No wonder local governments are bankrupt (other than their ridiculous union pensions): They destroy valuables!


2 posted on 03/29/2012 10:06:36 AM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: marktwain
Some people just have a firearm they don't want anymore. They'll turn it in to us to have it destroyed.

...and these people are called MORONS...

3 posted on 03/29/2012 10:06:38 AM PDT by WayneS (Comments now include 25% more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: marktwain

Over the past 6 months. Not a terribly long time to hold potential stolen property or evidence.


4 posted on 03/29/2012 10:07:10 AM PDT by WinMod70
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To: WayneS

...and these people are called MORONS...

Many have been indoctrinated by the left to be fearful of firearms. They do not know their rights and the laws governing firearms. They have been indoctrinated out of their rights.


5 posted on 03/29/2012 10:11:02 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I guess the Toledo Police Department must have lots of tax money in their coffers. Instead of holding an auction and selling these weapons to individuals - they opted to destroy them.

Guns are a tool, they are neither good, nor evil.

Instead of registering these weapons to citizens who are legally entitled to purchase a weapon, and generate funds to pay for various projects, these idiots destroyed something of substancial value. What a bunch of idiots!!


6 posted on 03/29/2012 10:11:58 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: marktwain

(scoffs) I’m sure that will work in Toledo.

I did some campaign work there in 08. Reminds me of Ypsi.


7 posted on 03/29/2012 10:18:52 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: marktwain

They don’t comment on the inevitability that the collection has been picked over by the members of the Toledo PD and anything good, (Or useful, everyone needs a cold throwdown piece.) will have wound up in the trunks of their cars.


8 posted on 03/29/2012 10:23:22 AM PDT by jonascord (Ask any Democrat. He's firmly convinced that he's brighter than you.)
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To: Hodar
I agree with part of your position, but another part still bothers me. Let's change yhour one statement a bit and see if it is still palatable to you. "Instead of registering these weapons printing presses to citizens who are legally entitled to purchase a weapon means of communication...."

Not meaning to be rude, but I think you have been living in the wrong state for too long.

9 posted on 03/29/2012 10:27:52 AM PDT by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Pecos

Do you wish to arm convicted Felons?

If you are of legal age, have no convictions - you are free to buy or own a firearm.

If you are a convicted felon; through your actions you have demonstrated that you are not to be trusted, that you have willfully victimized someone else. Therefore, you have served your time, and relinquished some rights that everyone else gets, such as the right to possess firearms and vote.

I see nothing wrong with that.


10 posted on 03/29/2012 10:34:30 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar

Why register them?


11 posted on 03/29/2012 10:38:05 AM PDT by WayneS (Comments now include 25% more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

FYI


12 posted on 03/29/2012 10:38:05 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: marktwain

Anything good will be scooped up by the pigs. They’ll have more throw downs as well.


13 posted on 03/29/2012 10:39:21 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: marktwain

Excellent! Increases the market for new firearms.


14 posted on 03/29/2012 10:40:12 AM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: marktwain

They had better be checking to ensure that they aren’t destroying stolen property. Money says they aren’t.

What other confiscated goods are they destroying?


15 posted on 03/29/2012 10:46:20 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: marktwain
Toledo police spokesman Sgt. Joe Heffernan

When I lived in Toledo their Police Dept. Spokesman (I kid you not) was named Sgt. Schultz.
16 posted on 03/29/2012 10:48:09 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marktwain

Yes it does support the premise that guns are evil. More than that, it buttresses the idea that private ownership is evil.

I don’t believe law enforcement should be seen as disapproving of the Second Amendment to the U. S. Constitution.

That is exactly what this law enforcement agency is telegraphing here. They are supposed to be defending rights, and the tenets of the U. S. Constitution.


17 posted on 03/29/2012 10:50:45 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I believe in Cap and Trade. I know, I know... Cap spending and trade Obama!)
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To: Hodar

While I don’t disagree with you in total, consider this.

A young man in his twenties commits a felony, is convicted, serves his sentence, and cleans up his act. In his mid-fifties he determines that it would be a good thing to have some protection in the home.

If he’s kept his nose clean for twenty or thirty years, I’m not against him having his gun rights restored.


18 posted on 03/29/2012 10:56:31 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I believe in Cap and Trade. I know, I know... Cap spending and trade Obama!)
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To: DoughtyOne
If he’s kept his nose clean for twenty or thirty years, I’m not against him having his gun rights restored.

I'm inclined to agree - but Federal laws requires some legal actions first:

18 U.S.C. 921(a)(20) provides: "Any conviction which has been expunged, or set aside or for which a person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored shall not be considered a conviction for purposes of this chapter, unless such pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly [or implicitly as a matter of state law] provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms."

Source

19 posted on 03/29/2012 11:07:44 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: marktwain

Yes, there are just so many people who don’t want their guns and don’t know what to do with them. Blatant lie.

He said they got their collection from warranted searches and traffic stops. These are weapons they found with people that either had no ability to have one (felon) and said “It’s not mine” or they found it during an arrest and never gave it back.

There are hardly any people that have no idea what to do with a gun “they don’t want”. If you don’t want a gun you don’t have any. If you didn’t but your spouse did and had some, they are handed down to friends and family of the deceased, and you don’t have any left.


20 posted on 03/29/2012 11:15:14 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I believe if someone commits a non-violent felony (and there are so many more of these nowadays) there should be no loss of 2A gun rights.

I believe if someone commmits a violent felony, especially where someone gets murdered, they never get their 2A gun rights back.


21 posted on 03/29/2012 11:18:09 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: marktwain
Bastards. What a waste.

Luckily, Ruger will make thousands of times more guns than these idiots destroy this year alone.

22 posted on 03/29/2012 12:09:27 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
Luckily, Ruger will make thousands of times more guns than these idiots destroy this year alone.

Yes, and the technology has improved as well. A Ruger 10-22 take down with stainless barrel and composite stock might well be perfectly functional 200 years from now.

There are 200 year old firearms that are functional. I would guess that the oldest that I have is a bit over 100 - Well, I have a 150 year old, but cannot get ammo for it.

I think the improved metallurgy and the composite stocks will make firearms even more durable.

23 posted on 03/29/2012 12:24:30 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Hodar

You completely missed my use of parallelism. I was pointing out the problem with the word “register” when applied to the word “firearm”. We don’t have to register when we invoke other freedoms.


24 posted on 03/30/2012 4:17:57 AM PDT by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Hodar
You also missed the point that felons are going to lie about possessing firearms. And forcing a felon to tell the truth about possessing a firearm would violate his 5th amendment rights, which the Left takes extreme umbrage at.
25 posted on 03/30/2012 4:21:10 AM PDT by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Pecos

I see your point. We don’t have to register to write, pray or talk to one another.

However, (unless you are Muslim) your worship doesn’t usually kill someone. When you write or speak publically, you have some responsibility on telling the truth; that’s why we have laws on slander.

Guns are a tool, who’s purpose is to cause death. One could argue that some are long range paper-punches, but generally they are designed for the taking of a life, usually that of game or varmit. That said, registering these guns is a means of issuing some kind of responsibility to the owner of these guns. If I sell you 3 guns, and we find that these guns were used in the commission of a crime, the phrase “Lucy, you got some ‘splaining to do” will likely be used. If these guns are stolen from your house - now we have a means of adding Burlary to the list of charges that the actual criminal will face.

Simply saying “Gee, that mass-produced Glock looks a lot like the one I used to have” is meaningless, unless you can back that up with a serial number. I see nothing wrong with this.

As far as your comment about a Felon lying about owning a firearm - he probably lied about the felony he committed too. If he is caught with a weapon, or if he commits another crime and his house is checked (pretty much SOP) and a gun is found - he will face an additional felony charge for the weapon.

The part that may be ‘unfair’ is, if there is a weapon in his home that he has reasonable access to (which can mean almost anything), it doesn’t matter if the handgun is registered to his parents, wife, girlfriend, children, great-aunt twice removed on his step-uncle’s Dads side of the family. If there is ANY weapon (shotgun, rifle, handgun) in an area where he has “reasonable access to” - he will get a second felony charge added to his list.

Bottom line: It’s really a good idea not to be a felon.


26 posted on 03/30/2012 6:47:07 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar
"We don’t have to register to write, pray or talk to one another."

YET!


27 posted on 03/30/2012 7:07:45 AM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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