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Santorum details new delegate math
The Examiner ^ | 28 Mar 12 | Byron York

Posted on 03/29/2012 6:03:37 PM PDT by xzins

As he struggles to keep up with frontrunner Mitt Romney and parries calls for him to drop out of the Republican presidential race, Rick Santorum has said in recent weeks that he has actually won more delegates than some media counts show. Those counts, Santorum says, are not taking into account Republican party rules, as well as the state-level meetings that actually determine how many delegates go to each candidate.

"Here's one of the things that I can tell you I didn't know," Santorum told a small group of reporters at a breakfast in Washington Monday. "Every single state is different. Every state. Every single state is different. It's different on how you get on the ballot. It's different on their structure, how they allocate delegates, whether they are bound, whether they are unbound, when they're committed, how long they committed, how they're selected. Our math is actually based on the reality of what's going on in the states."

Now, the Santorum campaign is providing some numbers to flesh out the candidate's claims. In a long conversation Wednesday evening, John Yob, the campaign's national and state convention director, pointed out that many high-profile primaries have been little more than beauty contests, and that delegates in many key states are actually being awarded in county, district, and state conventions, which are often dominated by conservative activists. "In that process, we are doing very well," said Yob. "The moderate candidate almost never performs better than a conservative candidate in a county, district, or state convention process."

Many states are just now starting their conventions, and it is impossible to say precisely how many delegates each candidate will win. The Associated Press delegate count, widely cited in media stories, shows Romney with 568 delegates to Santorum's 273, with Newt Gingrich at 135 and Ron Paul at 50. Yob's count is significantly different: according to his estimate, Romney has 482 delegates to Santorum's 331, with Gingrich at 158 and Paul at 91.

What accounts for the differences? First, the Santorum campaign believes that delegates from Florida and Arizona will ultimately be awarded proportionately, and not as winner-take-all contests. The AP account currently gives Romney all 50 Florida delegates and all 29 Arizona delegates. Santorum and Yob point to a recent article by Morton Blackwell, the longtime conservative activist and member of the Republican National Committee rules committee, suggesting that if the race is close, it is likely the party convention in Tampa this summer will award Florida and Arizona delegates proportionately. Doing so would not be a delegate gusher for Santorum, but it would lower Romney's count, since Romney won both states and now has all the delegates in his column. In the end, Yob believes Romney will end up with 23 delegates in Florida and 14 in Arizona, for a combined loss of 42 delegates.

The second reason the Santorum campaign cites for its more favorable delegate total is party conventions now taking place in Washington State, Missouri, Iowa, and other states. For example, in Washington State, the AP account shows Romney with 30 delegates to five each for Santorum and Ron Paul. After local conventions, Yob says, Santorum believes the delegate division will be roughly equal between the three candidates, about 13-13-14. Again, not a huge increase for Santorum, but a bigger decrease for Romney.

In Missouri, Santorum won the beauty contest primary vote, but state Republicans are now going through the local convention process that will determine actual delegate allocation. The AP delegate count does not include numbers for Missouri, but Yob believes Santorum will eventually come away with more than 28 delegates to Romney's eight, for a net Santorum gain of more than 20 delegates.

In Iowa, Santorum barely won a belated victory in the caucuses after early counts suggested a Romney win. The AP delegate total has Santorum with 14 Iowa delegates to Romney's 12 and Paul's one. "I believe that will change," Yob says. "Santorum will get more, Romney will get less, and Paul will get more."

Adding those changes to changes in other states, Yob argues, means that Romney now has at least 80 fewer delegates than are attributed to him in the AP count. Beyond the Florida and Arizona numbers, Yob says it's all due to the changes between beauty-contest primary results and county, district, and state delegate-selecting conventions. "In every case where the grassroots have a role in electing the delegates," Yob explains, "Paul and Santorum will overperform and Romney will underperform by varying amounts, depending on the state."

Yob cautions that his numbers are projections for the end results of what can be unpredictable state-level processes. "Predicting what will happen on a state convention floor is difficult," he says. But the final result, Yob claims, is that Romney "is on a path to be short of 1,144" -- the number of delegates required to clinch the Republican nomination.

The Romney campaign strongly disputes Santorum's numbers. In a March 22 memo -- sent out after Romney's win in Illinois but before Santorum's victory in Louisiana -- Romney political director Rich Beeson wrote that Romney led Santorum by more than 300 delegates and that Romney already had more than half of the needed 1,144 delegates. "Each day Senator Santorum continues to march up this steep hill of improbability is a day we lose to unite in our effort as Republicans to defeat President Obama," Beeson wrote.

Beeson pointed out that it is impossible for Santorum to reach the 1,144 delegate number himself. Team Santorum doesn't really claim otherwise. But their math is now about keeping Romney short of 1,144 -- and hoping things go their way in state conventions and, ultimately, in Tampa in August.

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KEYWORDS: convention; delegatemath; delegates; delegatesmatter; romney; santorum; santorum4romney; statesdontmatter; toast; wellduh
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1 posted on 03/29/2012 6:03:42 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins

I know much of this is true. Indeed, after the first ballot, all bets are OFF. The battle is occurring now in primary states with smaller caucuses to elect the delegates. For example, a die-hard Paulbot can go to a caucus, pledge to vote for Rotney on the first ballot, and then get “elected” by those present (5 people? 50 people? etc) as a Rotney delegate. If Rotney does not have that magic 1144, ALL bets are OFF!

2 posted on 03/29/2012 6:10:13 PM PDT by C210N (Mitt "Severe Etch-a-Sketch" Romney is the front-runner? Seriously??)
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To: P-Marlowe; wmfights
Romney has 482 delegates to Santorum's 331, with Gingrich at 158 and Paul at 91.

That totals in the neighborhood of 1100 delegates available so far.

That means roughly 1200 delegates remain to be won by some candidate.

No matter whose count you use, there are plenty of remaining delegates for Santorum to win this. He needs 59%.

Romney needs 41.6% to win.

Less than that will give a brokered convention, unless Santorum wins them at the above-mentioned 59% rate.

3 posted on 03/29/2012 6:10:46 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

It would be hilarious if all the pro Romney manipulations ended up biting Mitt in the end.

4 posted on 03/29/2012 6:16:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: xzins

Come on folks! You know that the only winner is Mitt regardless of your complaints. At some point you have to get behind anyone except Obama. If that is NOT your ideal, then you need to go away!

I really don’t like Romney as the candidate, but unfortunately, we have a process that seems to be problematic about who gets elected. We take what we have or we elect Obama! What are you going to do!

5 posted on 03/29/2012 6:20:35 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: cripplecreek

Gingrich had his money cut off. That’s about the end for him. Pretty much leaves Romney and Santorum.

6 posted on 03/29/2012 6:20:50 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Deagle

We can support Santorum.

There’s still time

7 posted on 03/29/2012 6:22:58 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

It’s still within the realm of possibility.

8 posted on 03/29/2012 6:27:26 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum.)
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To: xzins

Go Rick!

There are many (like #5) who insist that we need to rally around Romney. I might agree if it were Gingrich in the lead, or Perry, or Cain, or Bachmann, or even Pawlenty, or Thune, or a wide variety of others...

...but not Romney.

For a social conservative, Romney is simply not an option. Politically, he is a part of the enemy. I will not vote for him.

So, I hold onto the slim hopes of a brokered convention producing a solid conservative candidate. If not, then there is the hopelessness (except for making a point) of a third party candidate, and preparing for Santorum 2016, or Pence 2016, or Perry 2016, or any good conservative 2016.

9 posted on 03/29/2012 6:30:44 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands (Mitt Romney is a handbasket driver. I refuse to ride.)
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To: xzins

Given that all the MSM, and all the RHINOs, including Mitt, say Rick’s wrong. Read their lips?! Given their batting averages Rick’s case is looking stronger. Rick is saying the current gap is less than Texas (155 delegates) sized. Rick’s arguments aren’t unique to him. Newt made the case about winner take all not applying after Florida. Paul’s been rambling about winning extra delegates in caucus states all along. At a minimum Rick is currently undercounted because no delegates are being counted in places like MO where all would agree he did well. The “count” is being used like the the “electability” argument was used earlier in the race, to make conservatives give up.

10 posted on 03/29/2012 6:31:12 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: xzins

An open convention and Palin!!! let’s keep this going and stay vocal...

11 posted on 03/29/2012 6:31:33 PM PDT by snyderart
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To: xzins

Rick, I’m never going to vote to make you the chief law enforcement officer of the USA, just for the sake of George Zimmerman.

A man of your clear lack of restraint deserves no such authoirty.

12 posted on 03/29/2012 6:32:20 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

Santorum is far better than Romney.

13 posted on 03/29/2012 6:36:21 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
It’s still within the realm of possibility.

With God all things are possible. Pray!

14 posted on 03/29/2012 6:37:23 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: xzins
If Mitt Romney gets the nomination without conservative support—and he ain't getting any—and then loses to Obama, the Republican Party will either be totally taken over by Tea Party conservatives or it will be destroyed.

The GOP RINO establishment should hope that Rick Santorum wins the nomination and then loses in November—that will allow them to blame the Tea Party for Obama getting four more thus allowing them to retain the status quo.

For the sake of his fellow RINO elite, Mitt should quit now.

15 posted on 03/29/2012 6:43:39 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Rick or Mitt take your pick.")
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To: C210N

Interesting analysis. Thanks, xzins.

16 posted on 03/29/2012 6:44:15 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: xzins; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; Sun; BillyBoy; LdSentinal; ...

I hope that Rick Santorum wins the Wisconsin primary. Losing there would be an even bigger setback than losing in Illinois.

17 posted on 03/29/2012 6:53:01 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Latest WI polls;

18 posted on 03/29/2012 7:00:33 PM PDT by deport (..............God Bless Texas............)
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To: chris37
There are things Santorum has said or done that aren't appealing to me. But, in the big picture, Santorum is a thousand times better than Romney.

Other than not being Obama (which could end up being Romney's only strategy), I can't think of one positive thing about Romney. Yet, I can think of dozens of positives about Santorum.

If you belong to the “Anyone but Obama” crowd (and I do mean anyone), Santorum has a fighting chance against Obama. Romney has no chance.

19 posted on 03/29/2012 7:04:13 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: deport

Rick Santorum is starting to sound like the Man from La Mancha.

20 posted on 03/29/2012 7:06:14 PM PDT by csmusaret (I have kleptomania, but when it gets too bad I take something.)
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