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HOMELAND SECURITY ORDERS HUGE AMOUNT OF AMMO
Times247 ^ | 03/29/12 | Eloise Lee

Posted on 03/29/2012 7:09:11 PM PDT by lward99

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office is getting an "indefinite delivery" of an "indefinite quantity" of .40 caliber bullets from defense contractor ATK.

U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years, according to a press release on the deal.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: guns; homelandsecurity; ice; martiallaw
So let me get this straight, Obama gives himself the ability to declare marshall law, kill americans here and abroad - THEN they buy indefinite quantity of ammo? --- THIS IS VERY FRIGHTENING. - If you are not scared you are not paying attention.
1 posted on 03/29/2012 7:09:24 PM PDT by lward99
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To: lward99
Well, I loaded another 100 rounds today.
2 posted on 03/29/2012 7:12:24 PM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: lward99

Be prepared, not scared.


3 posted on 03/29/2012 7:13:09 PM PDT by Redcitizen (If I did a Vulcan mind meld on you, there would not be much to review. ;))
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To: lward99

90 million rounds a year. About 210,000 people work there. Maybe 25% carry a weapon.


4 posted on 03/29/2012 7:13:39 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: lward99

This has been gone over before in another thread. In a nutshell this is nothing more than alarmist BS. DHS includes everyone from ICE to the Coast Guard. Millions of rounds are consumed yearly just qualifying.


5 posted on 03/29/2012 7:13:53 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Redcitizen
Be prepared, not scared.

Psalm 91

6 posted on 03/29/2012 7:16:05 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: lward99

see also:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2859965/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2865678/posts


7 posted on 03/29/2012 7:16:05 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: lward99
It's good that .40cal will be plentiful.

I'd sure like to find a light, rugged .40cal Carbine with detachable magazines. Wood stock preferred.

Any ideas anyone?

8 posted on 03/29/2012 7:16:13 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Melas

I saw it after i clicked submit. Took me a while to post it so it may have been posted while I was dilly dallying. My bad


9 posted on 03/29/2012 7:18:25 PM PDT by lward99 (http://www.politicalmedia.com)
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To: lward99

The key to this type of contract is to identify the minimum qty in the initial ‘seed’ task order, then how much per year and option year.

At the Agency level, this isn’t absurd.

It might be significant if small businesses are not allowed to compete for the total volume being purchased. There are also FAR clauses to discourage monopolies, so there should be more than one provider of ammunition to the Agency.


10 posted on 03/29/2012 7:18:48 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Mariner

What gun in the US arsenal uses .40 Cal?


11 posted on 03/29/2012 7:19:39 PM PDT by refermech
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To: lward99
THEN they buy indefinite quantity of ammo?

I'm going to buy indefinite + 1.

12 posted on 03/29/2012 7:20:15 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: lward99
It's also scary that TSA types are NOT police officers - they have NO concept of the law. Limited training... They're the equivalent of security guards at Walmart. Maybe not that good. How easy would it be for Homeland Security to get people like that to DO illegal things to citizens... with guns and live ammunition...
13 posted on 03/29/2012 7:20:46 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: lward99

I got plenty of .308 and .45 Auto. I really don’t care if the government wants .40 for their pistols. As long as I have 10,000 rounds in excess, it doesn’t matter. Probably if the SHTF I’m going to be using less than twenty rounds before its all over anyway.


14 posted on 03/29/2012 7:26:15 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Melas

If Homeland was intending to go to war with the American people, they’d need more bullets than that. I’m guessing that many Americans have a few hundred rounds themselves, probably a few billion rounds would be spread across the country.

It’s likely the government agency wanted an assured supply of ammo.


15 posted on 03/29/2012 7:30:06 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: lward99
The Democrats plan for re-election of Dear Leader is riots and blood in the streets.

So of course their minions need an indefinite quantity of .40 cal ammo. This should come as no surprise.

16 posted on 03/29/2012 7:30:38 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: lward99
A Private Army loyal to Mr 0b0tt0 needs ammo too.


Indonesian Go Home!

17 posted on 03/29/2012 7:32:46 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (3 little children murdered by islam, Toulouse March 2012 . Time for the Final Crusade!!!!!)
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To: lward99
"The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office is getting an "indefinite delivery" of an "indefinite quantity" of .40 caliber bullets..."

That's a lot of bullets. Not very effective by themselves though.

.

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"Stop! I'm from the Department of Homeland Security!"

18 posted on 03/29/2012 7:33:39 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Doe Eyes

LMAO!


19 posted on 03/29/2012 7:41:24 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Amen.


20 posted on 03/29/2012 7:47:57 PM PDT by Redcitizen (If I did a Vulcan mind meld on you, there would not be much to review. ;))
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To: lward99

They are just planning for the massive civil unrest that will come after
this once great country collapses.


21 posted on 03/29/2012 7:52:38 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Mariner
Not a whole lot of carbines in .40. Your typical plastic KelTec and Hi Points. I think the best bet is a Ruger PC-4.


22 posted on 03/29/2012 8:03:13 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: lward99

Pistol ammunition, you gotta get close to use it!


23 posted on 03/29/2012 8:07:05 PM PDT by old school
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To: Melas
In a nutshell this is nothing more than alarmist BS.

That bears repeating.

24 posted on 03/29/2012 8:10:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: lward99

Yikes!


25 posted on 03/29/2012 8:28:55 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Cobra64

http://footage.shutterstock.com/clip-1803569-stock-footage-blue-latex-gloved-hand-picks-up-bullet-tips-off-pavement.html


26 posted on 03/29/2012 8:30:01 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: mnehring
Thank you sir. I've looked into the PC-r, my favorite so far. Brilliant idea to have pistol magazines...choose your vendor. Baretta. Glock. Sig.

You can get extended magazines for all of them.

Problem is they don't MAKE THEM ANYMORE and nobody wants to sell theirs.

I want three in 9mm and 4 in .40.

It's the perfect block defense weapon before the shotguns have to kick in.

A 180gr, .40cal bullet will leave the barrel at 1300fps. 9mm at 1400fps.

That'll work.

27 posted on 03/29/2012 8:46:11 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Well, not a wood stock, but the Beretta Cx4 Storm is one of my favorites... mine is chambered .45acp, but it's sold in .40sw, 9mm, etc.

It's amazingly accurate too.

http://forum.gon.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=474113&stc=1&d=1266511312

28 posted on 03/29/2012 8:48:01 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Mariner

What size mag is KelTec shipping with their 40 cal version of the SUB2000 folding carbine. I got a twenty two rounder when I bought mine.


29 posted on 03/29/2012 8:48:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Mariner

Keep an eye on Gun Broker.

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=Ruger+PC-4


30 posted on 03/29/2012 8:49:37 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Mariner

Ruger PC4. May have to buy used. Not certain they are still in production. My wife has the PC9 (9mm) version. Reliable and accurate.


31 posted on 03/29/2012 8:49:55 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Tupelo

I keep sayin BamBam must have a lot of stock in the ordnance industry. Guns, bullets, all selling like hotcakes.
the man is sheer genius I tell ya.


32 posted on 03/29/2012 8:52:44 PM PDT by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: lward99

This is a non issue relative to other things. Worthless thread.


33 posted on 03/29/2012 9:01:07 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Mariner
Don't have one but I like the Beretta Storm line of pistol caliber carbines....


34 posted on 03/29/2012 9:32:29 PM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: sjmjax

Taurus is bring out a line also.


35 posted on 03/29/2012 10:25:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: vetvetdoug
"...Probably if the SHTF I’m going to be using less than twenty rounds before its all over anyway..."

That's been troubling me: "Preppers" could be unintentionally becoming armories!

≡≡:-O

36 posted on 03/30/2012 2:03:20 AM PDT by Does so (They don't think—they plot!)
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To: GOPJ
How easy would it be for Homeland Security to get people like that to DO illegal things to citizens... with guns and live ammunition...

No more difficult than it was to get LEOs to enforce unconstitutional laws and execute unconstitutional warrants.

37 posted on 03/30/2012 5:39:27 AM PDT by magslinger (If I wanted to vote for a Commie I would vote for Obammie. He has a chance of winning.)
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To: Ajnin

“This is a non issue relative to other things. Worthless thread”

I might agree except for the fact that this particular round is not a training round. Its a hollow point that is designed for the majority of the explosion to be expelled within several inches of impact. Its a personal protection load plain and simple. If you use this load for training you will ruin your weapon. So now the question becomes why does the DHS need so much of this ammo if its not for training?


38 posted on 03/30/2012 6:49:09 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

LOL!

Hollow point ammuniton doesn’t explode. The purpose of the hollow point is to absorb material in the center of the round which then pushes the outer wall of the projectile outward, exanding the diameter of the round.

Using hollowpoint ammo doesn’t damage the gun.

DHS does not use “training” rounds. The same rounds used for quaterly qualification are the same rounds used in the field.

There is nothing unusual or nefarious about this ammo purchase. It’s only purpose is to provide ammo for normal quaterly qualification. That is it.


39 posted on 03/31/2012 11:46:26 AM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The level of disinformation in your post is amazing. You will not ruin your weapon by firing hollow points. As a matter of fact, the most damaging round you can fire is the FMJ, as simple physics dictates that the harder the material of the bullet, the more wear on the rifling. Even a copper cladded hollowpoint has more give than an FMJ because the dome at the tip of an FMJ adds rigidity and strength to the structure of the bullet.


40 posted on 03/31/2012 3:04:58 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

The round they are talking about purchasing is a +P+ high power round that will wear the rails, springs and other internal parts. This is a very high powered not for practice round. It has nothing to do with the rifling. Its a hot load and a not for practice round. A lot of people when firing this hot of a round will develop a flinch which is another reason they do not use this round for training. This round is used for a kill round only.

If you need any more training tips on proper use of firearms and ammo let me know.


41 posted on 03/31/2012 6:39:22 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Ajnin

Wrong. Police dept, FBI and everybody else does not use full house ammo for training. It beats you up and wears on your weapon. And its hard on the backstops of your range. If we were talking about a 7.62 X 51 in 168 grain boattail round at 600 meters as a sniper yes you use a full house round. But we are talking about .40 cal which is for a handgun not a rifle. Did you understand what you were reading that this round is a frangible? Plus most of them don’t even qualify quarterly. Only SWAT and special response teams. Most of them are lucky to qualify once year and they are lucky to hit the broad side of a bard if somebody attacks them.


42 posted on 03/31/2012 6:46:58 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I’m a Border Patrol Agent and a firearms instructor for DHS, so I think I have a pretty good idea of what I’m talking about. DHS uses hollow points for training. The same rounds Agents use in the field for duty carry.

Like I stated earlier, this is a non issue.


43 posted on 04/01/2012 9:34:46 AM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Ajnin

On MPDC (DC Police) we would burn our duty ammo for qualification as well. That way we qualified and rotated out our ammo at the same time.


44 posted on 04/01/2012 9:40:15 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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