Skip to comments.HOMELAND SECURITY ORDERS HUGE AMOUNT OF AMMO
Posted on 03/29/2012 7:09:11 PM PDT by lward99
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office is getting an "indefinite delivery" of an "indefinite quantity" of .40 caliber bullets from defense contractor ATK.
U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years, according to a press release on the deal.
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Be prepared, not scared.
90 million rounds a year. About 210,000 people work there. Maybe 25% carry a weapon.
This has been gone over before in another thread. In a nutshell this is nothing more than alarmist BS. DHS includes everyone from ICE to the Coast Guard. Millions of rounds are consumed yearly just qualifying.
I'd sure like to find a light, rugged .40cal Carbine with detachable magazines. Wood stock preferred.
Any ideas anyone?
I saw it after i clicked submit. Took me a while to post it so it may have been posted while I was dilly dallying. My bad
The key to this type of contract is to identify the minimum qty in the initial ‘seed’ task order, then how much per year and option year.
At the Agency level, this isn’t absurd.
It might be significant if small businesses are not allowed to compete for the total volume being purchased. There are also FAR clauses to discourage monopolies, so there should be more than one provider of ammunition to the Agency.
What gun in the US arsenal uses .40 Cal?
I'm going to buy indefinite + 1.
I got plenty of .308 and .45 Auto. I really don’t care if the government wants .40 for their pistols. As long as I have 10,000 rounds in excess, it doesn’t matter. Probably if the SHTF I’m going to be using less than twenty rounds before its all over anyway.
If Homeland was intending to go to war with the American people, they’d need more bullets than that. I’m guessing that many Americans have a few hundred rounds themselves, probably a few billion rounds would be spread across the country.
It’s likely the government agency wanted an assured supply of ammo.
So of course their minions need an indefinite quantity of .40 cal ammo. This should come as no surprise.
Indonesian Go Home!
That's a lot of bullets. Not very effective by themselves though.
They are just planning for the massive civil unrest that will come after
this once great country collapses.
Pistol ammunition, you gotta get close to use it!
That bears repeating.
You can get extended magazines for all of them.
Problem is they don't MAKE THEM ANYMORE and nobody wants to sell theirs.
I want three in 9mm and 4 in .40.
It's the perfect block defense weapon before the shotguns have to kick in.
A 180gr, .40cal bullet will leave the barrel at 1300fps. 9mm at 1400fps.
It's amazingly accurate too.
What size mag is KelTec shipping with their 40 cal version of the SUB2000 folding carbine. I got a twenty two rounder when I bought mine.
Keep an eye on Gun Broker.
Ruger PC4. May have to buy used. Not certain they are still in production. My wife has the PC9 (9mm) version. Reliable and accurate.
I keep sayin BamBam must have a lot of stock in the ordnance industry. Guns, bullets, all selling like hotcakes.
the man is sheer genius I tell ya.
This is a non issue relative to other things. Worthless thread.
Taurus is bring out a line also.
That's been troubling me: "Preppers" could be unintentionally becoming armories!
No more difficult than it was to get LEOs to enforce unconstitutional laws and execute unconstitutional warrants.
“This is a non issue relative to other things. Worthless thread”
I might agree except for the fact that this particular round is not a training round. Its a hollow point that is designed for the majority of the explosion to be expelled within several inches of impact. Its a personal protection load plain and simple. If you use this load for training you will ruin your weapon. So now the question becomes why does the DHS need so much of this ammo if its not for training?
Hollow point ammuniton doesn’t explode. The purpose of the hollow point is to absorb material in the center of the round which then pushes the outer wall of the projectile outward, exanding the diameter of the round.
Using hollowpoint ammo doesn’t damage the gun.
DHS does not use “training” rounds. The same rounds used for quaterly qualification are the same rounds used in the field.
There is nothing unusual or nefarious about this ammo purchase. It’s only purpose is to provide ammo for normal quaterly qualification. That is it.
The level of disinformation in your post is amazing. You will not ruin your weapon by firing hollow points. As a matter of fact, the most damaging round you can fire is the FMJ, as simple physics dictates that the harder the material of the bullet, the more wear on the rifling. Even a copper cladded hollowpoint has more give than an FMJ because the dome at the tip of an FMJ adds rigidity and strength to the structure of the bullet.
The round they are talking about purchasing is a +P+ high power round that will wear the rails, springs and other internal parts. This is a very high powered not for practice round. It has nothing to do with the rifling. Its a hot load and a not for practice round. A lot of people when firing this hot of a round will develop a flinch which is another reason they do not use this round for training. This round is used for a kill round only.
If you need any more training tips on proper use of firearms and ammo let me know.
Wrong. Police dept, FBI and everybody else does not use full house ammo for training. It beats you up and wears on your weapon. And its hard on the backstops of your range. If we were talking about a 7.62 X 51 in 168 grain boattail round at 600 meters as a sniper yes you use a full house round. But we are talking about .40 cal which is for a handgun not a rifle. Did you understand what you were reading that this round is a frangible? Plus most of them don’t even qualify quarterly. Only SWAT and special response teams. Most of them are lucky to qualify once year and they are lucky to hit the broad side of a bard if somebody attacks them.
I’m a Border Patrol Agent and a firearms instructor for DHS, so I think I have a pretty good idea of what I’m talking about. DHS uses hollow points for training. The same rounds Agents use in the field for duty carry.
Like I stated earlier, this is a non issue.
On MPDC (DC Police) we would burn our duty ammo for qualification as well. That way we qualified and rotated out our ammo at the same time.