We already have a "Patrol Frigate."
It's called the "Coast Guard."
Posted on 03/29/2012 8:24:32 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
H-I pitches ‘Patrol Frigate’ as cheaper alternative to LCS
http://www.dodbuzz.com/2012/03/28/h-i-pitches-patrol-frigate-as-cheaper-alternative-to-lcs/
Even back in the late 90’s the CG had become the maritime equivalent of ‘jack-booted thugs’. Why give them them any more toys?
You clearly don’t live anywhere with a body of water deeper than your intellect.
“Its armament is similar to the combat system suite found on the U.S. Navy’s Littoral Combat Ships”
WOW,, so it almost has the firepower of an M-1 Tank,, and a seagoing equavalent to a smart 81mm mortar!!
Sad sad sad,,
An embarrassment,,,
It is absolutely imperative that the government buy my product. /sarc
Thanks for the post that is very interesting. How large of a crew would they carry, less then a hundred like a small DE? My other question is would they be more for short duration patrols and missions? I apologize in advance for my silly questions, but I learn so much from the articles like these.
We already have a "Patrol Frigate."
It's called the "Coast Guard."
Im sorry,, not an M-1 tank,, more like ALMOST a Sherman with its 75mm. This baby has a 57mm that can shoot 5 pounds of hot steel almost 6 miles. And if thats not enough,, it also will be mounting Griffin missiles that are high angle of attack,,and deliver a 13 lb whallop a full 3.5 miles away!
This thing is almost scary,, anywhere we sail it, that kind of power will almost be downright insulting. It’s a floating provocation!
But im sure it will preform its main mission wonderfully, successfully delivering lesbian surface warfare officers to flag rank.
Actually the NSC has much greater endurance and range than the LCS; LCS-1, at least, can’t cross the Atlantic even at normal cruise speed without refueling.
And both versions of the LCS are out of fuel almost instantly if they go to their much ballyhooed, but worthless, 40+ knot top speeds.
The article is a bit out of date in that the USCG has been cut back to 6, not 8, NSCs.
Northrop Grumman (before the Ingalls spinoff) was promoting the Patrol Frigate for 3 years; sort of odd to see this in the media as if it’s a brand new idea.
No, mate, back in 96-2000’, I lived on one of the loveliest 41’ Formosa ketches in San Diego Bay. She was the ‘Ann Marion’ and probably still was the loveliest when a couple that bought her and took her up to Marina del Rey.
And so douche bag, what do you sail, or have you sailed, not that we’re comparing dick lengths, but just curious where you’re coming off, or short.
Punk.
So hypothetically if instead of living on a nice boat in San Diego Bay, you were on a crab boat in the Bering Sea taking on water in 20 foot seas, would you call the “jack booted thugs” and what do you think they’d have to use to respond?
Just FYI the cutter in that picture is 43 years old.
Tougher, cheaper than the LCS
You obviously have no idea of the depredations the CG has imposed on innocent boaters on the West Coast going back some 10+ years.
Now, I’m not going to call you a douche bag for your opnion but is it grounded any practical experience with dealing with the CG? On the West Coast? Lately?
It’s like calling 911. Don’t unless it’s medical emergency. And even the, you don’t on which they’ll come.
Hell, in my day 4,000 tons was a Destroyer.
We need 100 of them.
Yeah, once again I posted without reading, fully and completely the article, but I wasn’t aware that was a requirement on FR.
Really didn’t like the CG back then.
Still don’t.
Still reads like a marketing projection, full of vapor-ware, “superman” capabilities and really cheap to produce and maintain!! I have been around long enough to have developed a good BS detector...
Besides, NAVSHIPS civilian engineers like to f*** with everything under their purview (job security), and drive up costs excessively while bullying contractors to absorb the additional costs for requirements changes under risk of cancellation. A-holes!
JC
Friend of mine had a very nice power boat...
Just putting around LA/LB harbor with a boat load of friends he got stopped by HP or CG (I forget & don't even know if CG can act in harbor)...
Only thing he really remembers of the encounter was the deck mounted MG manned and aiming down his throat.
I think he sold the boat and I know he shifted energies to drag racing.
He felt it was safer.
OTOH: CG did great work in Vietnam and from what I hear they are doing same over seas in the WOT etc.
The LCS (at least in LCS-1 class) is overweight and all classes are UNDERARMED. This is not peculiar to USN ships because the majority are underarmed. Part of the reason comes from the Blue Water mindset of the SWO community. The SWO community has been spoiled for years operating under the layered defense umbrella of the carrier or amphibious strike group. However, the closer you get to the shore: (1) the less standoff distance you have and (2) your reaction time decreases exponentially. {Don't believe it? Consider the USS VINCENNES (CG-49) shoot down, by accident, of the Iranian Airbus airliner during the Persian Gulf War. This is what happens when distances and reaction times are compressed.]
Quite bluntly, the SWO community hasn't figured out that Green Water (and Brown Water) operations are magnitudes more dangerous places than their experiences have taught them. If the USN gets into a shooting war in Green waters, we are going to get a lot of expensive gray ships sunk or badly damaged and take a lot of killed and wounded. I have debated this with many correspondents, both in the Navy and DoD, and we share this bleak assessment. However, at the highest levels of the Navy and DoD there is LOTS of denial.
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