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Another $17 trillion surprise found in Obamacare
The Daily Caller ^ | 3/30/12 | Neil Munro

Posted on 03/30/2012 10:00:53 AM PDT by Nachum

Senate Republican staffers continue to look though the 2010 health care reform law to see what’s in it, and their latest discovery is a massive $17 trillion funding gap.

“The more we learn about the bill, the more we learn it is even more unaffordable than was suspected,” said Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions, the Republican’s budget chief in the Senate.

“The bill has to be removed from the books because we don’t have the money,” he said.

The hidden shortfall between new spending and new taxes was revealed just after Supreme Court justices grilled the law’s supporters about its compliance with the Constitution’s limits on government activity. If the court doesn’t strike down the law, it will force taxpayers find another $17 trillion to pay for the increased spending.

The $17 trillion in extra promises was revealed by an analysis of the law’s long-term requirements. The additional obligations, when combined with existing Medicare and Medicaid funding shortfalls, leaves taxpayers on the hook for an extra $82 trillion in health care obligations over the next 75 years.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 17trillion; found; healthcare; obama; obamacare; obamacarefundinggap; obamathreatensscotus; scotusocareanalysis; surprise; trillion
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Kill the bill
1 posted on 03/30/2012 10:01:01 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 03/30/2012 10:03:36 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
Ring ring ring...

Hello!

Hi Premier Chan. This is your old bud Barack. How about another 17 trillion?

click!

3 posted on 03/30/2012 10:04:05 AM PDT by evad (STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING. It's the SPENDING Stupid)
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To: Nachum

Pretty soon we’ll be talking about serious money, if this keeps up.


4 posted on 03/30/2012 10:04:55 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: evad
OK Barack. I'll give you the 17 trillion but you gotta sell out your country.

"gulp"...sorry Chan, I already did that with the rooskies.

5 posted on 03/30/2012 10:05:41 AM PDT by evad (STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING. It's the SPENDING Stupid)
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To: Nachum

Right. Kill Bill!


6 posted on 03/30/2012 10:06:00 AM PDT by IbJensen (We now have a government requiring citizens prove they are insured but not that they are citizens.)
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To: Nachum

The entire GDP of the United States is currently about $14 trillion. The projected liabilities to be incurred as a result of ObamaCare are not only unsupportable, even in the short-run, they are entirely impossible without provoking complete economic collapse.


7 posted on 03/30/2012 10:08:47 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Nachum

That Obama, what will happen to him next?

He’s so incompetent it’s starting to get funny.

He’s been writing checks he can’t cover for 2 1/2 hears.

The chickens are coming home to roost.

We’ll call him President Cliche’.


8 posted on 03/30/2012 10:09:50 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Nachum

Well, Madame Pelosi said they would have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it. Guess they are just now finding out. (Soo-prise, soo-prise, soo-prise - Gomer Pyle)


9 posted on 03/30/2012 10:11:23 AM PDT by Polyxene (Out of the depths I have cried to Thee, O Lord; Lord, hear my voice.)
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To: Nachum

“We have to pass the bill so that you can, uh... find out what is in it”...


10 posted on 03/30/2012 10:15:36 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
“... entirely impossible without provoking complete economic collapse.”

It is, and will be if passed, the same as REINVENTING the United States of America. This country will become what it was NEVER intended to be and what NO majority of it's citizens would accept if permitted to vote for this kind and scope of ‘change’.

The Constitution, the courts, the Presidency, the schools and everything else will be hijacked by a tyrant who will answer to NO ONE!!!!

11 posted on 03/30/2012 10:17:13 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: andy58-in-nh
they are entirely impossible without provoking complete economic collapse.

If I could be even 50% certain that the country would once again stand on the bedrock foundation of the Constitution that the fore fathers meant it to, when all was said and done, I would gladly weather that storm.

There may come a time in the very near future that even less of a chance would be worth the hardship and risk.

12 posted on 03/30/2012 10:20:16 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Nachum

When I look in our little city newspaper I see that people who intentionally write checks without sufficient funds in the account are arrested and thrown in jail.


13 posted on 03/30/2012 10:21:21 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Nachum

We must send a veto-proof majority, dedicated to cutting spending and consenting to Conservative judges, to the House and Senate in November. Vet and inform your candidates, then shout their names to all your neighbors!


14 posted on 03/30/2012 10:24:11 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org: Have mustard seed & I'm not afraid to use it. 2 men inherited a Bush economy.)
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To: Nachum

I guess its time to ask: What comes after Trillion?

Zillion?

BZillion?


15 posted on 03/30/2012 10:25:54 AM PDT by thepatriot1 (...brought to you courtesy of the Red, White and Blue)
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To: Turbo Pig

“Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny.” Edmund Burke


16 posted on 03/30/2012 10:26:44 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Nachum

——If the court doesn’t strike down the law, it will force taxpayers find another $17 trillion to pay for the increased spending——

I guess we’ll find it under the sofa cushions. Either that, or we’ll default.

I just hope the SCOTUS doesn’t do something really drastic, like overturning the law in its entirety.


17 posted on 03/30/2012 10:27:22 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Nachum
Senate Republican staffers continue to look though the 2010 health care reform law to see what’s in it

It only took them two years?

18 posted on 03/30/2012 10:28:41 AM PDT by jersey117 (The Stepford Media should be sued for malpractice)
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To: Nachum

Not sure on Lou Dobbs math, but he said instead of obamacare, we could just give the un-insured the $1000 dollars it allegedly costs the rest of us, and we’d save over $1.5 trillion.


19 posted on 03/30/2012 10:32:35 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Nachum

The whole thing was if everyone pays we all pay less. Well, everyone doesn’t pay. Someone has to pay for those waivers!


20 posted on 03/30/2012 10:34:08 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: andy58-in-nh

” The projected liabilities to be incurred as a result of ObamaCare are not only unsupportable, even in the short-run, they are entirely impossible without provoking complete economic collapse.”

That was the WHOLE IDEA !!


21 posted on 03/30/2012 10:39:21 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Nachum
Senate Republican staffers continue to look though the 2010 health care reform law to see what’s in it

Perhaps if more legislators had demanded time to do this BEFORE it came up for a vote, it never would have passed. Yeah, yeah, I know.

22 posted on 03/30/2012 10:39:48 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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To: Nachum

Kill the Beast !!

23 posted on 03/30/2012 10:52:55 AM PDT by Bill Buckner
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To: thepatriot1

‘I guess its time to ask: What comes after Trillion?

Zillion?

BZillion?’

Silly rabbit. Everyone knows it is Gazillion.


24 posted on 03/30/2012 10:53:53 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; SMARTY
It does sound like a scheme hatched from the minds of Cloward and Piven, doesn't it?

But here's another possibility: let's say that the Democrats had an alternate plan in case ObamaCare was ruled unconstitutional. Okay - let us stipulate that they in fact have such a plan because they always do.

Remember that scene in The Hunt For Red October where Admiral Greer (Fred Thompson) asks Jack Ryan what the Russian captain's plan might be along with the admonition, "The Russkies don't take a dump without a plan, son"?

Well, the same goes for Democrat politicians. They live for politics. It's in their blood and it's all they know. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that Plan "B" is for Obama to run against a "rogue" Supreme Court, while pushing for what he and his pals have wanted all along: a single-payer, government run health care system.

25 posted on 03/30/2012 10:55:26 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: thepatriot1

SSSSSSHHHHH! Obozo may hear you! You don’t want him to know what comes next, do you?


26 posted on 03/30/2012 10:56:14 AM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: jersey117

Considering how big the bill is, it’s not that surprising. It would take six months just to read it, a hell of a lot longer to analyze it.


27 posted on 03/30/2012 10:56:37 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Nachum

the Senate Republicans are deeply saddened.....


28 posted on 03/30/2012 10:57:08 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

” I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that Plan “B” is for Obama to run against a “rogue” Supreme Court, while pushing for what he and his pals have wanted all along: a single-payer, government run health care system. “

He can try, but most Americans don’t want any part of Obamacare, so it won’t fly. I expect that Obama will ignore the SCOTUS anyway, because nobody in our Party will speak up
on....on ANYTHING!!


29 posted on 03/30/2012 11:04:42 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Terry Mross
The whole thing was if everyone pays we all pay less. Well, everyone doesn’t pay. Someone has to pay for those waivers!

Including me.. The week after Obamacare passed I received a letter from my health insurance company that my monthly rate is going up immediately by 10%. Then, a few months later, another letter at year end stating that on Jan 1, my rate is going up another 20%. Two more increases since that time.. Before Obamacare, my monthly premioum for good health insurance was $450. Now it's $750. That's about a 70% increase. Nice, huh?

30 posted on 03/30/2012 11:06:23 AM PDT by slouch-no-more
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To: stephenjohnbanker

If Obama tries to ignore the Court and no one in our Party speaks up, then it will not be “our Party” for very much longer.


31 posted on 03/30/2012 11:08:28 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: cicero2k

$17 trillion?

That'll pay for more than 29,000 Solyndra type ventures.

32 posted on 03/30/2012 11:17:10 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Nachum

...... OK ..... the conservative talk show hosts (Not the media) had a great time last week making light of the cost of ObozoCare doubling to 1.7 trillion smackers. Now .... I’m no mathamatician but doesn’t this now make the estimated cost at around 1700% more than the original estimate?


33 posted on 03/30/2012 11:17:26 AM PDT by R_Kangel
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To: andy58-in-nh; Travis McGee; All

We have a communist America-hating street thug in the White House,committing almost daily atrocities, and assults on our Constitution, and nary a peep out of our House & Senate.
After 58 years on earth, I thought I had seen pretty much everything, but this is mortifying to me.

1) Obamacare

2) Fast & Furious(pre-meditated murder-by-federal-govt.)

3) Pretending to build pipeline(to nowhere)

4) Trayvon the Son

5) Payoffs to all of his friends, right under our nose!!

6) Apologizing to all of our enemies.

7) 40 Marxist/Maoist Czars

8) Allowing the Black Panthers to put a bounty on a private citizen

I could go on typing here for 2 hours, and that wouldn’t cover it.


34 posted on 03/30/2012 11:20:32 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

How can anyone believe he is leading in the polls?????


35 posted on 03/30/2012 11:21:37 AM PDT by geege
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

When we start out with a ZERO, we end up with a ZERO. WE ARE BROKE.


36 posted on 03/30/2012 11:23:22 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
He’s been writing checks he can’t cover for 2 1/2 hears 49 years.

FIFY

37 posted on 03/30/2012 11:23:49 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Brass, copper, lead. The new precious metals.)
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To: andy58-in-nh; All

“It does sound like a scheme hatched from the minds of Cloward and Piven, doesn’t it? “

The hard left(now in complete control) has always stated that if you control healthcare, you control the people.
What if Obozo decides that if you own a gun, you pay a 50% premium? Far-fetched? Not with THIS POTUS.


38 posted on 03/30/2012 11:26:29 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: geege

” How can anyone believe he is leading in the polls?????”

We FReepers are political .....the average schmo isn’t, and we have a press that is 90% “Obama-Owned”


39 posted on 03/30/2012 11:29:01 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

No, no, no, the citizens of America are entitled to that $17 trillion. It’s a HUMAN RIGHT!


40 posted on 03/30/2012 11:33:18 AM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: moehoward

Tell Sandra Flake if she lets us keep our $17 trillion, I’ll buy her damn birth control pills for her.


41 posted on 03/30/2012 11:34:56 AM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: Nachum

I am predicting it will pass in its entirety. We live in crazy times and this bill is the grand daddy of insanity...so it much perfect sense, in a opposite sort of way, it will pass...


42 posted on 03/30/2012 11:37:49 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Leep

much= makes..


43 posted on 03/30/2012 11:38:42 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: JediJones

How’s about the Fed just lets us keep the 17mil in the first place... instead of taking from us and THEN returning it to us on their OWN PLAN


44 posted on 03/30/2012 11:38:49 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SMARTY

Its not 17 mill FRiend..its 17 TRILLION! 17 million is probably what 1/4 of the Obama’s vacations have cost the tax payers.


45 posted on 03/30/2012 11:42:03 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Nachum
$1 trillion dollars would be $1000 bills stacked 67 miles high.

$17 trillion would be $1000 bills stacked 1,139 miles high.

Kill the bill.

46 posted on 03/30/2012 11:42:11 AM PDT by South40 (Mitt is full of Shtt)
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To: Nachum

Bump


47 posted on 03/30/2012 11:43:05 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: Leep

I’ve been thinking the same thing but, have been afraid to vocalize it. I thought I was the only one thinking like that.


48 posted on 03/30/2012 11:43:08 AM PDT by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: Nachum

Boatloads of money.


49 posted on 03/30/2012 11:53:48 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
I will amplify your observations about the sorry state of the GOP with a bit of a rant I offered a couple of days ago regarding John Boehner, et. al:

"(There's) your Republican Party, people: always "going along to get along" while Democrats happily bash their brains in, routinely calling them every mean, nasty, rotten, vicious, incendiary thing they can think of, and then some - should they ever object, even for a moment.

After which: Cryin' John will apologize, because it must be our fault they don't love us. Boo Freakin' Hoo.

Battered Wife Syndrome, anyone?

Well, speaking for the non-masochistic base of the GOP: we've had enough of this Sheeeite.

We desperately need representatives with brass knuckles and brass balls; instead we get a bunch of invertebrate eunuchs; fairy-a**ed, pussifed little wimps who can't take a punch without whining and pouting like Richard Simmons on estrogen supplements."

...and much more in that vein....

50 posted on 03/30/2012 12:05:59 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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