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Woman unhappy with care at St. Mary's hospital is arrested for trespassing, dies in jail
STL Today ^ | March 25, 2012 | CHRISTINE BYERS

Posted on 03/30/2012 10:54:35 AM PDT by Sopater

RICHMOND HEIGHTS • Anna Brown wasn't leaving the emergency room quietly.

She yelled from a wheelchair at St. Mary's Health Center security personnel and Richmond Heights police officers that her legs hurt so badly she couldn't stand.

She had already been to two other hospitals that week in September, complaining of leg pain after spraining her ankle.

This time, she refused to leave.

A police officer arrested Brown for trespassing. He wheeled her out in handcuffs after a doctor said she was healthy enough to be locked up.

Brown was 29. A mother who had lost custody of two children. Homeless. On Medicaid. And, an autopsy later revealed, dying from blood clots that started in her legs, then lodged in her lungs.

She told officers she couldn't get out of the police car, so they dragged her by her arms into the station. They left her lying on the concrete floor of a jail cell, moaning and struggling to breathe. Just 15 minutes later, a jail worker found her cold to the touch.

Officers suspected Brown was using drugs. Autopsy results showed she had no drugs in her system.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: obamacare
So, when the death panel decides it's time for you to go, you'll probably also be arrested for tresspassing if your found on hospital property.
1 posted on 03/30/2012 10:54:41 AM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater

How could she be cold to the touch after just 15 minutes?

The human body at room temperature takes something like 12 hours to equilibrate.


2 posted on 03/30/2012 10:58:49 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: Sopater
If she voted for Obama, then she assisted and encouraged the care that she was given. This is going to be an occurrence that happens more often as Obamacare gets closer.
3 posted on 03/30/2012 11:01:06 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Sopater

If you want a view into hell, check out St Louis.


4 posted on 03/30/2012 11:03:21 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (... ... ... ...)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

1. I’d wager it was more than 15 mins.
2. If she’s laying on a cold concrete floor she would lose heat quickly.


5 posted on 03/30/2012 11:07:07 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Plus poor circulation to begin with.


6 posted on 03/30/2012 11:09:56 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Sopater

7 posted on 03/30/2012 11:11:50 AM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Parts of St Louis are very nice. Other parts would give hell a run for its money.


8 posted on 03/30/2012 11:12:44 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

I’s one of Holder’s people, so no doubt Hussein’s handlers are working all the angles to milk all the political capital they can out of this.


9 posted on 03/30/2012 11:15:30 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Sopater

That doctor, the hospitals involved, and the STL city govt will be making Ms Brown’s children wealthy.

Too bad Mom had to suffer and die in such a terrible way.


10 posted on 03/30/2012 11:16:46 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: treetopsandroofs

It’s....


11 posted on 03/30/2012 11:18:34 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Her blood wasn’t circulating right before she died. Really sad. I hope she has someone to sue everyone for her (I am not the suing type but those involved deserve it).


12 posted on 03/30/2012 11:23:17 AM PDT by libbylu
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To: Sopater; potlatch

Funny, I read the first sentence and thought she could have blood clots. I have no medical background.


13 posted on 03/30/2012 11:23:32 AM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Once peripheral circulation shuts down, the skin gets cold quickly. Peripheral circulation can shut down in the dying process long before the heart stops.

The core may still be warm, but the periphery loses heat fast.


14 posted on 03/30/2012 11:33:13 AM PDT by SargeK
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To: ntnychik
The poor woman knew she was dying. The doctors just didn't want to deal with her. They probably interpreted it as drug-seeking behavior. Drug-seekers can be very loud and persistent. A person who knows she dying might be loud and persistent too. Without tests, I can imagine it is difficult to tell if someone has a deep vein thrombosis as it appears she did.

Not excusing - you never just turn someone away who had the history she did of a leg injury (sketchy though the details are in this report). I've dealt with a couple of cases where people were discharged without proper care and subsequently died of a thrombosis or embolism. I've had at least two where they died in the hospital from clots - all of them as a consequence of some lower extremity injury.

15 posted on 03/30/2012 11:41:42 AM PDT by SargeK
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To: Yashcheritsiy

That’s what I thought too.


16 posted on 03/30/2012 11:51:08 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: Sopater
There is a lot of info here.
 

17 posted on 03/30/2012 12:10:36 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SargeK

Another death attributable to the WOD.


18 posted on 03/30/2012 12:15:59 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Valpal1

That is one stupid remark.

I’m guessing you also blame Trayvon’s death as a result of the WOD?


19 posted on 03/30/2012 12:18:55 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Oh please, the ER personnel took one look at this homeless person and assumed she was seeking drugs and from that point on did not really attempt to listen to her or properly question her to make any determination beyond their first impression.

This attitude is inculcated in medical personnel due to the WOD and the fact that they will be criminally punished for over prescribing controlled substances.

The drug seeking behavior of addicts in ERs is a result of the WOD.

Laws affect behavior, tax laws, drug laws, traffic laws... they all have intended effects and unintended effects.

IMO, the unintended effects outweigh the intended effects to the point that the WOD is a net negative to the safety and happiness of the average citizen.


20 posted on 03/30/2012 12:30:13 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Yashcheritsiy

laying on a cold floor.


21 posted on 03/30/2012 12:32:11 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: SargeK

My heart goes out to this woman (posthumously) and her family. She fought for her life, but her pleas fell on arrogant and purposefully deaf ears. It seems they judged her on her social status and maybe race.

My three year old grandson from a white, middle-class family has spina bifida, which contributes to many potentially dangerous conditions. A moderate fever or slight behavior change can indicate a serious urinary tract infection. His kidneys are already badly scarred from undiagnosed and untreated infections.

His Mom has been right on top of each incident, and gets him to a specialist ASAP, but the few days it takes for the process each time he
gets symptoms put him at risk for more damage.

Docs aren’t omnipotent. Things don’t always go by their presumptions. They should consider that the Medicaid Mom or the young- looking blonde Mom might know what they’re talking about. At least consider.


22 posted on 03/30/2012 12:36:00 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik

Docs aren’t omnipotent. Things don’t always go by their presumptions. They should consider that the Medicaid Mom or the young- looking blonde Mom might know what they’re talking about. At least consider.


I sat in on a medial consultation for my mother. At the end of the meeting the doctor looked at the social worker and said, “now, what can we do.”

Think about that awhile.......................


23 posted on 03/30/2012 12:39:13 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: ntnychik

Disgraceful what happened to her, and it would take a ‘coldness of heart’ to think otherwise.

My own grandmother lay in bed one night with terrible pain in one leg. It was a blood clot and she ended up losing her leg.


24 posted on 03/30/2012 12:57:08 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: Sopater

RIP.


25 posted on 03/30/2012 1:07:26 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj
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To: Sopater
I wonder when her heirs get awarded the deed of the Hospital they will name it after her.

BTW that Doc who said she was healthy enough to be put in jail is gonna need to find a new job cuz he will never find someone to sell him malpractice insurance now.

26 posted on 03/30/2012 1:11:40 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: ntnychik
Funny, I read the first sentence and thought she could have blood clots. I have no medical background.

Possibly because you are aware, as am I, that pain in the legs and inability to move them correctly are a sign of blood clots. It could have been something else but for the doctors not to heed these symptoms and run an MRI on her is criminal. The biggest danger of blood clots of any area is their breaking loose and going to the lungs to form a pulmonary embolism, almost a certain death sentence.

27 posted on 03/30/2012 1:26:53 PM PDT by calex59
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To: PeterPrinciple

It doesn’t take me long to think of the implications of that statement. I hope your mother is still alive and well.

On a Monday, my 89 year old Dad, an engineer, WWII vet and author was fine. The next day he had severe leg pains and elected to go to the ER, where they determined he was having a heart attack. After a couple days in ICU, where he couldn’t sleep, they deemed him (the magic words) agitated and suffering from dementia. This enabled them to medicate him at the nurses’ discretion. He was “full code,” which he wanted to be, and had given his medical proxy to me, in case he was incapacitated. I had to spend a good portion of each day wrangling with docs and nurses, who just wanted him to take the happy drops and slip away.

Over the weekend, he got the attention of a student nurse and told her his life’s story. God bless the young lady, who listened to him and told the other nurses. They scoffed at her, as they fully believed he had the dementia they’d noted on his chart a few days before.

When I came in the next morning, the student nurse told me of her interesting evening with my Dad and asked in front of the other nurses if the stories were true. Yes, of course. All of them. The nurses’ jaws dropped.

Each day was still a challenge with them all, and they never stopped hounding me to end his life, using their euphemisms, of course.

He had his heart attack on Obama’s inauguration day, and he died two weeks later. I’m still traumatized by the struggles with the hospital staff during that time. It cost us spending our remaining time together in the way we wished, at the very least.


28 posted on 03/30/2012 1:27:11 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Sopater
This story illustrates why it's crucial for sick people to always have a friend or relative accompany them to the hospital. Always bring an advocate. Hospitals are cold impersonal places where the staff is often overworked and where doctors only see what's brought to their attention.

This woman had 8 or 9 siblings who are now demanding answers. Where were they when their poor sister was alive and needed them? Why, with such a large family, was she homeless? These so-called siblings deserve as much if not more blame for the woman's death as the doctor who cleared her for being arrested.

29 posted on 03/30/2012 1:31:27 PM PDT by grasshopper2
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To: Sopater

There have been some comments here about “drug seeking behavior.” In 1995, when I was 40 years old, I sought treatment at the local Catholic hospital for lower back pain. I was given a pain shot and turned out. I went back a few days later begging for more than just a pain shot. I was told that another doctor said I didn’t have health insurance, and was asked to leave, I don’t remember if I got a pain shot or not. A few days later I was back, this time armed with an Rx to receive an IVP to rule out kidney stones. I was consequently admitted for four days and receive treatment for kidney stones. I was fully covered from the beginning with my husband’s IBEW insurance.
The doctor in the E.R. treated me like a drug seeker; like SH*T. It’s standard operating procedure. There’s just a profile, and as a 40 year old married woman, I guess I fit it. Maybe I wasn’t dressed well enough, or didn’t have on my makeup. Maybe my wedding rings weren’t impressive enough. I felt like hell and was barely functional. Doctors are ridged and the most discriminatory people walking the face of the earth. One of them is going to kill me someday.
Oh, and the hospital have the nerve to charge me for the first two E.R. visits. A well-written letter (something about malpractice pain and suffering, etc.) got those charges reversed.


30 posted on 03/30/2012 1:39:35 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

The outer layers of tissues lose their heat quickly but the inner core takes time...trust me as an RN for 25 years, the outer layers lose their heat quickly. When ME’s detirmine time of death they do a core liver temp.


31 posted on 03/30/2012 1:47:31 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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To: grasshopper2
Why, with such a large family, was she homeless?

I absolutely LOVE that question... :-)
32 posted on 03/30/2012 1:59:20 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: driftdiver
IF the details are correct, she complained that BOTH of her legs hurt. It would be extremely uncommon for a person to have bilateral blood clots in their legs. And the clots below the knee rarely migrate to the lungs. Its the deep veins of the thighs that are the potential killers. I have no idea what the doc saw. Or if this woman was a frequent flier drug seeker who always came in and yelled at/threatened staff if she didn't get her pain meds. (This IS common)

But there's a saying in medicine, even scam artists get sick. So ALWAYS address the problem. Terrible for this patient and her family.

33 posted on 03/30/2012 2:00:24 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: Excellence
The doctor in the E.R. treated me like a drug seeker; like SH*T.

My wife got the same treatment once. She went to see a Dr. regarding headaches she was having and the a**hole spent all his time telling her that he wasn't going to give her any pain meds. She told him no less than 5 times within the first 10 minutes that she didn't want pain meds, she wanted to know what was wrong. All he could say was "I don't know, but I'm not giving you any pain meds". She never went back to that clown. He probably figured she found her pain meds somewhere else.
34 posted on 03/30/2012 2:03:15 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Sopater

Having been on Medicaid until recently, I am not surprised at all by this report. Medicaid recipients are often treated like dirt and even more often not treated at all. Sometimes it’s the same thing.


35 posted on 03/30/2012 2:08:20 PM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: calex59
" for the doctors not to heed these symptoms and run an MRI on her is criminal."

MRI is not indicted for the symptoms described.

36 posted on 03/30/2012 2:32:58 PM PDT by The Good Doctor (Democracy is the only system where you can vote for a tax that you can avoid the obligation to pay.)
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To: Sopater
Why, with such a large family, was she homeless?

I absolutely LOVE that question... :-)

That's because you presume you know the answer.

But you don't.

37 posted on 03/30/2012 2:46:05 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
That's because you presume you know the answer.

But you don't.


OK, then why don't you tell me what I think I know that's wrong and then proceed to tell me the "real" answer...
38 posted on 03/30/2012 2:59:52 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Sopater

I hope the headache thing got resolved. Headaches can ruin a person’s life.


39 posted on 03/30/2012 3:07:33 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: Sopater
OK, then why don't you tell me what I think I know that's wrong and then proceed to tell me the "real" answer...

LOL - Why be so cagey about a position you state you "absolutely LOVE"? It doesn't sound like you have any waffling over what you mean. So why not just say it?

Because it's not like it's mysterious, you know. There are only two choices - her lack of family help counts against her, or it counts against her family. Now why would you "absolutely LOVE" such a question? Because you presume you know the answer, of course. And, as people rarely presume that a single person has been driven to the street by an entire family being wrong, it's obvious that that is probably what you "absolutely LOVE" about the question - that it implies she wasn't as innocent as the article makes her out to be.

But you know all of this, of course. That's why it stung you so hard when I told you not to presume - because you did presume. And you don't have enough information to presume.

The fact is that it takes a great deal of courage to stand up to a dysfunctional family, and families are very often dysfunctional to the extremes of actual abuse - whether over drug use, religious abuse, money abuse, interpersonal relationship abuse, or whatever. And typically, families gang up against whistleblowers - or even those who dare to challenge the consensus.

On the other hand, families also lose members to individual bad choices, it's true. But ask yourself - what is more likely - that a truly loving and supportive family will lose a member who cries abuse, or that an abusive family in denial will lose a amember that cries abuse? You see, the quick presumption doesn't really hold up to examination. because a family is a very powerful thing, and so a truly loving family is also a very loving thing. If most families were as truly loving as they claim to be, far less people would flee them and end up in drugs,or crime, or on the street. In fact, that's the very purpose of a loving family - to have enough strength to help their members avoid such fates.

So I say, don't presume. This woman may well have died facing the same indifference to her suffering and real danger to her life, as she did from a family that she fled from in the first place. Perhaps not, it's true - but there is certainly a very strong argument to be made on her behalf, lacking any further information about her.

In any event, she's in a better place now, no matter how horribly she had to leave here.

40 posted on 03/30/2012 3:19:19 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Excellence

Yes, thank you.


41 posted on 03/30/2012 3:45:16 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Talisker
...it's obvious that that is probably what you "absolutely LOVE" about the question - that it implies she wasn't as innocent as the article makes her out to be.

didn't mean to be cagey, I was just curious what you thought I loved about the question. It's been my experience that when someone proceeds to tell me that they know what I think and that I'm wrong, they're usually way off base.

Anyway, what I absolutely loved about the question was the fact that everyone seems to be affraid to ask it. In my opinion, it is the responsibility of the individual, their family, and the church, to take care of their own. The church and the family have given that responsibility to the state who has been more than happy to take it.

Dysfunctional or not, families have a responsibility to care for those who cannot care for themselves. Now if a person is perfectly capable of caring for themself, they don't usually wind up homeless, unless it's by choice. Either way, its not MY responsibility to care for them, unless I choose to.

I don't know what this poor woman's issues were that had her living on the street, but her family didn't seem to show up until it was too late.
42 posted on 03/30/2012 3:53:56 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

blood clots in the legs causes inflammation, swelling and redness....We would get patients with such clots in the hospital. The orders were not to massage the legs and a clot could break loose and travel to parts unknown in the body, heart, lungs brain...Its a serious condition...


43 posted on 03/30/2012 3:56:42 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: The Good Doctor
Thank you. IF, and yes IF the ER doc suspected a DVT, she needed a doppler U/S. I have no idea what the physician saw, but no doctor worth his salt would ever let a suspected DVT leave the ER without some kind of workup. No matter how scuzzy the lady might have been. I hope he got at least a good H&P.

PE is sometimes VERY hard to dx. Not justifying this ER's care, but PE can be very deceptive in presentation.

44 posted on 03/30/2012 4:13:19 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: SargeK

“. I’ve had at least two where they died in the hospital from clots - all of them as a consequence of some lower extremity injury.”

I’ve always been fairly casual about lower extremity injuries. No more.

I’ve been aware of DVT on long flights for years,but a sprained,or even broken, ankle would not have concerned me at all. RICE treatment,cast etc. and that would be it.

Thanks for the info.


45 posted on 03/30/2012 4:22:57 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Sopater
And this, dear readers, is a prime example of the competency of our government's ‘professional’ intervention. Please remember this every time an advocate of government intervention suggests that we “leave it to the professionals”.
46 posted on 03/30/2012 5:31:12 PM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: Sopater
The woman's symptoms are consistent with TME that I see in felines. The branching of the iliac arteries is right after the descending aorta and a TME cuts off circulation to the rear legs. The signs are pain, thready or lack of femoral pulses, cold extremities, disuse of the limbs, neurological deficits, and symptoms associated with extreme pain (nausea). This woman had all of these symptoms. This would explain the profound coldness of the legs soon after death as circulation had been impaired.
47 posted on 03/30/2012 7:47:04 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: grasshopper2

“Why, with such a large family, was she homeless?”

I read this story on MSN earlier today, I don’t know if it’s the same article linked here.

This woman seems to have had some serious mental problems, possibly exacerbated by drug abuse, but that part wasn’t clear. She also had had some real hard times that weren’t her fault at all, her home was destroyed in a tornado last year.

Her children were placed with her mother, but the court ordered she could not stay there too. Now I really wouldn’t put up with any court telling me my own child couldn’t live with me, but maybe she was a danger to them, obviously that’s not hashed out in the article.

I didn’t realize she had a lot of siblings, either.

I think this woman had mental illness and I’ll tell you that is the worst thing that can happen to a person and their family in this country.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to get any real help. You are on your own when dealing with an insane family member and good luck to you.

I’ve seen this twice, both my friend and my family member ended up dead by their own hands. Both times their families tried to help them. To no avail. And this was in the NYC metro area, the finest of everything, 24-seven, but no help that was really help.

Oh, they’ll lock you up for a while, but that’s about it.

My b-i-l also had one of these clot things. He was in the hospital for weeks. I myself heard the doctor say to him “you could have died at any time”.

I don’t know if the hospital just made a very bad mistake, or if they were negligent. I just feel like this woman didn’t have much of a chance and that is a shame.


48 posted on 03/30/2012 9:48:48 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: SargeK

Blood clots in the legs are apparently hugely painful. Women who are using birth control are exposed to blood clots in the legs. Given the victim was 29, the doctor should have put two and two together.

People have terrible personalities and social skills these days and that includes professionals who fancy themselves superior to the riff raff. Western ethics go with western medicine. No Western ethics = no Western medicine. We have been culturally cleansed by Humanists into a third world cesspool.


49 posted on 03/31/2012 7:25:24 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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