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Forced Meds? Climate-change skepticism must be 'treated', says enviro-sociologist.
The Register ^ | March 30, 2012 | Lewis Page

Posted on 03/30/2012 6:13:37 PM PDT by aruanan

Climate-change scepticism must be 'treated', says enviro-sociologist

Dubious on warmo peril? You're the kind who'd own slaves


Scepticism regarding the need for immediate and massive action against carbon emissions is a sickness of societies and individuals which needs to be "treated", according to an Oregon-based professor of "sociology and environmental studies". Professor Kari Norgaard compares the struggle against climate scepticism to that against racism and slavery in the US South.

Prof Norgaard holds a B.S. in biology and a master's and PhD in sociology.

"Over the past ten years I have published and taught in the areas of environmental sociology, gender and environment, race and environment, climate change, sociology of culture, social movements and sociology of emotions," she says.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climate; climatechange; climategate; climategate2; deniers; environmentalist; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; sovietstyletreatment; ussr
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To: expat1000

Aw, geez!


51 posted on 03/30/2012 7:04:13 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: expat1000

That’ll unkink your colon.


52 posted on 03/30/2012 7:15:55 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: expat1000

Looks like someone done baseball-batted her into submission .


53 posted on 03/30/2012 7:19:14 PM PDT by I am bigjohn
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To: aruanan
Another never been has-been heard from. Another of the "thousands of scientists" who support AGW?

Everything the looney tunes crowd base their hysteria on is CO2 as a villain. A totally unproven, fraudulently derived foundation rejected by real climate and sea level scientists.
Certainly no conclusive input on climate is possible from biologists and (*barf*) sociologists.

Hire the mentally handicapped and you never know what you'll get.

54 posted on 03/30/2012 7:45:47 PM PDT by Publius6961 (It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep. - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: aruanan

That is exactly what they did to dissidents in the former Soviet Union ...cart them off to mental hospitals and keep them drugged.


55 posted on 03/30/2012 7:57:41 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: the invisib1e hand

It doesn’t matter what they have to say, facts are not there friends. Global warming has happened many times before when there were several billion less humans and virtually no combustible engines.
President Obama is resurrecting this to avert attention from the bad economy. To co-opt something from Al Gore is really desperate.


56 posted on 03/30/2012 8:01:03 PM PDT by DeweyShootem
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To: aruanan
She has a long and "distinguished" line of predecessors. It's called the medicalization of political dissent, usually throught the abuse of psychiatry and has been universally practiced by all manner of tyrants and fascists/communists (merely two sides of the same coin).

Her intellectual forebears include:

  


57 posted on 03/30/2012 8:06:09 PM PDT by Oceander (TINSTAAFL - Mother Nature Abhors a Free Lunch almost as much as She Abhors a Vacuum)
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To: I cannot think of a name
“Over the past ten years I have published and taught in the areas of environmental sociology, gender and environment, race and environment, climate change, sociology of culture, social movements and sociology of emotions”
Gender and the evironment? Race and the environment?
WTF?

All absolute wastes of money by a waste of DNA.
Perhaps that was all this Mensa graduate could handle?
She has no clue what a "scientist" is.

“Science can never be prescriptive. All it can do is raise issues for the world's attention. It is politics and economics that then decide what to do about them. People who argue that the science says we must do something are being disingenuous about their true motives. If those people are also scientists, then they are abusing science. This is a tremendously important point.” --- Iain Murray, National Review, December 21, 2004

This poor sad waste of oxygen is incapable of distinguishing between voodoo science and the physical sciences. That says it all.

58 posted on 03/30/2012 8:41:12 PM PDT by Publius6961 (It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep. - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: ctdonath2
Thank you for that great graphic!
Insane liberal medicine, and a keeper.
59 posted on 03/30/2012 8:57:17 PM PDT by Publius6961 (It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep. - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: aruanan

I’m a skeptic. I don’t need to be treated either. If you were educated like I am (which you are not), you would understand that.


60 posted on 03/30/2012 8:58:38 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: aruanan

Why does it always take the Brit press to report on American extreme criminals and lunatic fringe fruitcakes?


61 posted on 03/30/2012 9:14:42 PM PDT by Publius6961 (It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep. - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: aruanan

Thanks for posting this aruanan. I put this stuff out on fb all the time. I know this woman is at the crazy end of the GW spectrum but I know from previous experience that many lefties would have quiet sympathy with her statements.

Mel


62 posted on 03/30/2012 10:20:44 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: aruanan; Army Air Corps

My bad (I complain about the photos of Debbie Whatshername-schultz), but I couldn’t resist!


63 posted on 03/30/2012 11:23:02 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: expat1000
Ya can't fool me. That's Mike Meyers again


64 posted on 03/31/2012 6:54:31 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: expat1000

Don’t they have orthodontia across the Pond?


65 posted on 03/31/2012 7:02:10 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Publius6961
“Science can never be prescriptive. All it can do is raise issues for the world's attention. It is politics and economics that then decide what to do about them. People who argue that the science says we must do something are being disingenuous about their true motives. If those people are also scientists, then they are abusing science. This is a tremendously important point.” --- Iain Murray, National Review, December 21, 2004

Although the following is referring principally to abortion, the underlying theme is the same:
Some have said, “The case against abortion in the first trimester must rest entirely on metaphysics and philosophy.” I think the case for or against abortion at any time must rest entirely on metaphysics and philosophy. It appears that for many who wish to have nothing to do with metaphysics and philosophy “empirical reasons” are what they get when they pass the point at which they are no longer aware of (or have successfully forgotten) their philosophical and metaphysical reasons for selecting them.

The “empirical reason” appears to rest on cold fact, but the reason for using it rests on something entirely different. Any time one moves from the descriptive of “This is” to the prescriptive of “Do this”, one moves through the moral world of “This ought or ought not to be.” This is the world of motives and beliefs. It’s the world in which people actually live. It cannot be described in the same way that physics describes solar flares. This is central to the absurdity of “experimental” psychology’s attempts to explain human behavior by dissecting rat brains and measuring dog spit. There is that in human behavior which is man’s distinguishing characteristic which transcends the physical processes of reproduction, nourishment, and death.
--Letter to the Editor, National Review, Sept. 16, 1985
I first saw this difference clearly explained in The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis. As a result, environmentalists and utopian statists have never snookered me. I was a skeptic in high school and I'm still a skeptic.
66 posted on 03/31/2012 7:23:20 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: C210N
If Norgaard held a M.S., it would be More of the Same.

And, if she held a PHD, it would be Piled Higher and Deeper.


Gee, I got mine, and my four year postdoctoral fellowship, doing something much more boring, molecular neurobiology.
67 posted on 03/31/2012 7:30:20 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: jveritas
Those fools are too stupid to understand how incredibly impotent they are to enforce their insanity on others. May we should encourage them to force Obama to campaign on this insanity for his re-election...

Reminds me of the joke of the guy coming back from a doctor visit, strutting around, acting like he was big stuff. His friend asked him what the doctor said that he's acting like that. He replied, "My doctor said the tests showed I was impotent!" We have one of these guys in the White House.
68 posted on 03/31/2012 7:33:34 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: muir_redwoods
I’m not the kind who would own slaves; I’m the kind who WILL shoot anyone trying to enslave me. The AGW crowd are just this century’s version of phrenologists. Except these morons are dangerous.

You got that right. Which is why the founding fathers tried to make it as difficult as possible for a faction to get control of all the various divisions of government, but they still worried.

The following got me branded as a cynic by a professor in grad school:
Given the complexity of life, the narrow range of understanding possessed by any particular group is guaranteed to fall short at some point. Given the concentration of power exercised under a centralized system, the failures are guaranteed to have widespread and crippling effects. By contrast, the multiplicity of successes and failures over a wide range of scale that appears so chaotic in a state of liberty has the benefit of limiting the damage and of spreading throughout society successes which can be emulated and modified to fit local conditions.

Among some, the attitude seems to be “We know so much now, but people don’t care or won’t listen or aren’t changing fast enough. What can we do to change things now?" The yearning appears to be for some universal remedy. This may be “nice”, but is hardly practicable, let alone even conceivable. It would require an understanding of life and society beyond the capability of any individual or group. Universalist approaches in the realm of economics and government have proved uniformly disastrous.
Well, it was probably this part that really did it, given that that prof was probably already in negotiations to become the public health director of Cincinnati or Columbus:
"But, somebody ought to pay me to do it because I'm right!"

Some health professionals seem to believe that the government should sponsor their efforts to counter the self-interested efforts of others (nutrition and diet quacks for example) because they are right and the others are wrong, because they are altruistic and the others are not. It may be true that they are factually correct and genuinely altruistic, and that what they wish to do will have a beneficial effect on many people, but it doesn’t follow necessarily that the government should fund them.

This is a manifestation of a widespread phenomenon brought about by the advent of the secularized state. Instead of viewing the state as a limited means to a limited end, the tendency has been to imbue it, a temporal entity, with the attributes of a transcendent final judgment in which all injustices and inequalities are finally rectified. In this way, the secular state has been categorically, though not personally, deified and expected to act accordingly (something of a diffuse divine right of kings).

This is seen in those who believe the necessary response to a social ill is the passage of a law, especially a federal law, and the enactment of a program, especially one that they can devise and administrate (and that not necessarily for cynical reasons). Those who feel they are on the side of right, certain they aren’t acting against society’s interest, often appeal to the State to aid them in their struggle against evil. Since the spirit of the secular state is money and power, they ask to be endowed accordingly. It’s pathetically naive and dangerous.

Power accumulates power. Government grows until it meets a limit, either a systemic one (Constitutional limits), or a fiscal one (limits imposed by the amount of money it is able to generate or extort from its own citizens or those outside), or a social one (limits provided by massive societal non-compliance or armed insurrection or by other countries’ response to aggression or perceived weakness). Even then it still has great power to drain resources and people from productive enterprise and turn them to its own ends. In this way it is functioning as a parasite living off the body politic.

69 posted on 03/31/2012 7:59:20 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: denydenydeny
I figured this had to be a parody article from one of the a-holes who like to hurt the site by posting phony articles. But, Good Lord, it's for real.

Hey, the sickest of life imitates the sickest of art.

Professors of the soft sciences have always longed to be taken as seriously as physicists, chemists, and mathematicians are. Much mischief has been born of this professional jealousy, not least of which is Marxism itself, which took one crackpot economic theory and imbued it with the magical word "scientific" and, boom: hundreds of millions dead.

If you haven't already read it, find Higher Superstition: The Academic Left and Its Quarrels with Science by Paul R. Gross and Norman Levitt. The authors are self-described liberals and feel excruciated that their analysis could give any ammunition to those of the right, but in the interest of truth they thought they had to write the book anyway. You will be richly rewarded.
70 posted on 03/31/2012 8:11:13 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: pabianice
Final exams in the professor's class

For a second I thought that was a scene out of The Men Who Stare at Goats.
71 posted on 03/31/2012 8:13:11 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: ctdonath2

Beautiful graphic! I’m saving this one.


72 posted on 03/31/2012 8:14:55 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: ctdonath2

Considering the past 450,000 years, we’re living in the end times of the good times. Smoke em if you’ve got em. Hey, maybe each one of those previous plunges into cold oblivion represents a previous time in which nutcases got their way, the intervening deep freeze the length of time needed to weed them out of the gene pool to a sufficient degree for science and sensibility to recrudesce. Hey, I think it makes better sense than their view of AGW.


73 posted on 03/31/2012 8:19:45 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: melsec
I know this woman is at the crazy end of the GW spectrum but I know from previous experience that many lefties would have quiet sympathy with her statements.

I once had a boss who said that if people have to get licenses to drive cars, they need to get them to become parents. She didn't seem to think much of my questioning who would be the ones to set the criteria for "successful parenting." She also said that because health care results in costs "to society," someone has to decide who gets what and how much of it. I still don't see the chain of logic that inexorably leads from the former observation to the latter prescription. It was as though the whole central matter of values and politics that separated one from the other was invisible to her.
74 posted on 03/31/2012 8:35:08 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
If the Kenyan lizard gets his way...

75 posted on 03/31/2012 11:05:20 AM PDT by y6162
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To: aruanan
The enviro-sociologist who wants to treat you:

"WI-I-I-I-I-LBUR!"

76 posted on 03/31/2012 3:42:18 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: aruanan; 11B40; A Balrog of Morgoth; A message; ACelt; Aeronaut; AFPhys; AlexW; America_Right; ...
"Over the past ten years I have published and taught in the areas of environmental sociology, gender and environment, race and environment, climate change, sociology of culture, social movements and sociology of emotions," she says.

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77 posted on 03/31/2012 7:11:15 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Publius6961
Gender and the evironment? Race and the environment? WTF?

It liberal code for "Whites bad, males bad, womyn good, pussified liberal lap-dog males provisionally acceptable" You probably didn't understand because you speak English rather than Moron.

78 posted on 03/31/2012 11:09:50 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: DeweyShootem; Tax-chick
It doesn’t matter what they have to say, facts are not there friends. Global warming has happened many times before when there were several billion less humans and virtually no combustible engines.

I don't think I'd want a combustible engine. Seems like you'd be replacing them a lot.

79 posted on 03/31/2012 11:17:56 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: aruanan

Nice point aruanan!

Somewhere in the background of all that is that they are the ones who get to make the decision. Without the guidance of God, though, their decisions are arbitrary and without the humility that comes from ultimately having to answer for their actions they cannot be trusted.

Mel


80 posted on 04/01/2012 12:00:52 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: Charles Martel
While you're at it, offer a petition up to St. Gabriel Possenti.

I just googled it.

I am *so* stealing that.

Cheers!

81 posted on 04/01/2012 4:31:20 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: aruanan
I love how when a liberal compares one regulated activity with an unregulated one (and the comparisons in themselves are even sometimes valid), it's always immediately assumed that the UNregulated sphere is the wrong one, that its regulation has to INCREASE to harmonize with the regulated one.

It would seem to me the presumption would be for freedom, that if in two similar cases, one regulated and one not, neither is causing problems it proves the HIGHER regulation is unnecessary.

82 posted on 04/01/2012 9:59:45 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: GeronL
"It’s sad that Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney might agree..."

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Mitt? Yes. Newt? Nonsense. Watch this and telle me if that makes any sense:

www.youtube.com/watchv=44fPSn7VxKs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

You can fast forward to the last minute to see Newt vivisecting Pigman Waxman."

And please spare me the BS about Newt doing a PSA with Nazi Pelosi. I think congressional testimony trumps a stuipid PSA.

Hank

83 posted on 04/03/2012 7:05:26 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Screw it. Newt's the smartest candidate and the guy I want to see debating Obummer. Flame away.)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

I am eagerly awaiting (not really) his next book on global warming in November. nah.


84 posted on 04/03/2012 8:57:24 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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