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(Vanity) German Shepherd Needs Good Home Quickly (Help a FReeper out -Mod)
Self | 3/30/12 | Pops88

Posted on 03/30/2012 7:26:44 PM PDT by pops88

I just sent the following to someone involved with animal rescue, and wanted to share with Freepers. It's been a very hard day here :

I found out last night my family has to move overseas in the next 5 days because of my husband's job. I have a highly intelligent, well trained, well behaved, 4 year old German Shepherd. If I can't find a foster or permanent home, he will have to be euthanized. I've worked with him extensively. He's obedient and knows many commands, but he's not been able to be socialized to other people or animals. From the time he was a puppy he was fearful of other people and I was unable change that behavior. As a family pet, he has been wonderful. He was neutered as soon as possible to avoid problems with dominance issues. Some of the commands he knows: sit, stay, lie down, leave it, drop it, take, put (here,) give, find (person/specific toy), back up,wait, shake,kiss, crate, etc.

He is pool safe. He does not enter bedrooms or bathrooms unless on command. He does not get on furniture or eat food that has not been given to him. He will not take food from counters, coffee tables or the garbage. He is housebroken. If his water is empty he will nudge his dish and sit and wait. If a toy is taken away and put up he will not try to take it back. He doesn't beg at the table. When I'm cooking he goes and lies down. He is in good health and not over weight.

He can be a big ham with doe eyes or a head plant on a knee when he wants attention. He's so smart and communicative that I've referred to him as our toddler. He was taught to heel as a puppy, but because of his fear and aggression with strangers and other animals he has not been walked on a leash for several years. He's had to be confined to our home and backyard. My husband is a pilot and was unemployed several times in the last few years because of the economy. It's been a real struggle for us. We didn't have the money to take him to a professional trainer to deal with his socialization issues, and he was too big for me to handle on walks. He would be an absolutely wonderful dog for someone willing to work with him.

I've kept a file on all his vet records and papers (purebred from East German blood lines.) We absolutely hate the thought of having to take him to the Humane Society and be put down when he's such a wonderful dog otherwise, but again, we have to move overseas on extremely short notice and we're all pretty much in shock. I live in Las Vegas and expect to be driving to Los Angeles on Tuesday.


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To: pops88

FRmail. Read the newest one first...


51 posted on 03/30/2012 9:56:04 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: pops88

You may take your pets with you to many countries nowadays, even England.


52 posted on 03/30/2012 10:05:12 PM PDT by BarbaraInSC
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To: Kirkwood

“Sounds rather strange that you can’t spend several more days stateside to take care of personal business while your husband travels ahead to take care of arrangements at your destination.”

Why are you so mean Kirkwood ? In this economy sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
Also: How can I get my private email to pops ? I will take the dog ...on East Coast but can figure something out.


53 posted on 03/30/2012 10:06:47 PM PDT by R.I.chopper
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To: pops88

pops88, I would love to foster, adopt, take into my home the German Shepherd you speak of. I’m in Northern Ca. I saw some one talk of Southern Ca, is that where you are located? Let me know, will drive down Saturday. I will pm you also. I do not know of a better Dog then the GSD. Thanks, Rich


54 posted on 03/30/2012 10:10:43 PM PDT by Rj Snows
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To: pops88

perhaps. My wife and I are buying a farm and we talked about getting a dog.
Can you tell me how we might transfer on such short notice?? If possible, I will get you in touch with my wife..


55 posted on 03/30/2012 10:18:43 PM PDT by richardtavor
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To: DefeatCorruption
I agree.

You find a way to deal with the problem other then killing it or abandoning it, it is part of the family.

56 posted on 03/30/2012 10:20:19 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!-Sam Adams)
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To: pops88

What a beautiful dog.
Wish I could take him.
Contacting the ‘dog whisperer’ guy sounds like the best idea.


57 posted on 03/30/2012 10:23:24 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: pops88

Well, just read the dog whisperer guy can’t take dogs.
That’s tough. A German Sheppard surrender place then.
Best of luck in finding him a home and good luck with your new job/home.
God bless.


58 posted on 03/30/2012 10:28:49 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: BarbaraInSC

“You may take your pets with you to many countries nowadays, even England.”

I don’t have that option with this move. If there was any way I could, I would.


59 posted on 03/30/2012 10:41:00 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: pops88

I’ve got to be off to bed. I vaguely remember eating once today. I got the bare essentials in a box, some clothes in a suitcase, and the next few days will be entirely devoted to my dog, Aldawin. And a small bit of trivia- my 13 year old, who had been home schooled, was taking German her first semester at UNLV and decided to give him a German name. We later discovered it means “old friend.”


60 posted on 03/30/2012 10:56:07 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: pops88

From the German Shepherd Rescue-

“Hello,
We are full and also have a long waiting list. If we had room we would not be able to take a dog that’s aggressive to people and or dogs. We already have too many dogs like that the we can’t get adopted.

Sorry we can’t help.
GSR”

Now I’m really maybe off to bed.

Psalm 56:8
Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?


61 posted on 03/30/2012 11:18:52 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: pops88

Here is another place to try. They specialize in fostering dogs for the military if this is a military family


62 posted on 03/30/2012 11:51:35 PM PDT by airedale
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To: pops88

I’m very overwhelmed by the support, care and help that’s been offered. I’m trusting that God has the right person for my challenged, but loving dog. God always has a plan. He’s a God of life and not death. He’s the God that loves the unborn and the handicapped. He loves the widow and the orphan. God’s idea of perfection is so vastly different than ours. Perfection is what’s in His eyes, accomplishing His purpose. If our faith was never tried, we would never grow in Him, and we would not be able to praise Him for the miracles He’s done for us. I’ve always felt the dog (”God” backwards) was one of the best gifts He’s given us, and judged a person’s character by how they treat a dog. If I’m forced to go with my last option, at least I’ll know who my dog will be with. I would rather have him be with his maker that loves him than let him suffer or abandon him. He had a very good, loving home for almost 5 years. I think he was one of the lucky ones. He was very well loved. He wasn’t one of the many thousands or more left to die in the street or butchered in a 3rd world country for dinner. I had a neighbor who was Westernized. Her adopted stray puppy was hit by a car. Sadly, I witnessed it. Friends showed up and offered to butcher it for her. FOAF in the Philippines bought a dog in a shop. She picked out a cute puppy to take home. She was horrified when they brought it out butchered. These are things that have tugged at my heart strings in my relationships with dogs. A large portion of my heart goes with my dog, but yes, if there is no solution, I will be at his side as he drifts off to sleep in “mommy’s” arms before I’ll let anyone abuse or harm him, and he will go knowing that he was greatly loved,just as he unconditionally loved me.


63 posted on 03/31/2012 12:55:02 AM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: pops88

Sounds like you have already made your decision. But just in case, ue to the quick time line, I wonder if it is possible if some freepers that have shown an interest could get in touch with you via phone, etc. so you are comfortable with them. Get an agreement of sorts written up, and then put your dog up at a kennel for a few days until the new owner could get to your area to pick up your dog? Just a thought.


64 posted on 03/31/2012 1:25:12 AM PDT by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

“Sounds like you have already made your decision.”

No, the only decision I’ve made is that I won’t abandon my dog to fend for himself or adopt him out to a Michael Vick home. I’ll do everything I can to find him a good home, and I believe God has one. Not long after the presidential election, I was praying and agonizing over my dog’s temperament. I got a very clear message that I’d want a big, scary dog because of the times. Now he’s removing me from where I am and maybe someone else needs a good dog, because the conditions are such that I can’t take him.


65 posted on 03/31/2012 2:07:51 AM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: pops88

I hope that things work out for you and the dog and your move. A hectic and stress full time. I’ll say a quick prayer for your situation - and that you can get some sleep! I wonder - is your dog not socialized with other people only when you are around, or when it is in his territory? It may just be that as master you are the only alpha. But with a new master - perhaps he will recognize them as the new alpha if you are gone?


66 posted on 03/31/2012 3:09:29 AM PDT by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

“It may just be that as master you are the only alpha. But with a new master - perhaps he will recognize them as the new alpha if you are gone?”

I think he would recognize a new master as Alpha fairly quickly. He’s a very smart dog and I think he’d figure out not to bite the hand that feeds him absent several meals from “mom.” He knows that the few weeks my husband is home he is the Alpha, but like My Big Fat Greek Wedding- “The men may be the head of the house but the women are the neck and they can turn the head anyway they want.” He’ll obey dad, but he knows who the neck is, and he knows he’s in a world of hurt because “mom” nearly always defers to dad and God help him when I do. My dog very well knows his order in the pack- kind of a “wait till your father gets home” scenario.


67 posted on 03/31/2012 3:46:37 AM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: pops88

I have a contact with GSD rescue in Arizona if you need it. Its only a few hours from LA.


68 posted on 03/31/2012 5:23:45 AM PDT by USMCWife6869
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To: pops88

It sounds like a few Freepers have offered to talk to you about giving your dog a good home. I hope one of them works out.


69 posted on 03/31/2012 6:37:24 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Red_Devil 232

I think you misdirected your post. I do not have the dog, it’s the poster before me.


70 posted on 03/31/2012 6:45:31 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: pops88

A few years ago a neighbor had a German Shepherd that needed to go to a good home. No rescues would take him as they were “full.”

My Aunt contacted the local authorities and they came out to do an evaluation. As far as we know he ended up working for the Canadians on the border.

But maybe this link will help find a rescue:
http://germanshepherd.rescueshelter.com/Arizona


71 posted on 03/31/2012 6:58:27 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: R.I.chopper

You can click on “Private reply” under any post by pops88 and can contact her by private messaging.


72 posted on 03/31/2012 7:24:20 AM PDT by Silentgypsy
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To: pops88

Bumping your thread & hoping that a FReeper’s offer to take your dog will work out. He’s a very nice looking dog.
You obviously love him.
I feel for you.
Best of Luck


73 posted on 03/31/2012 7:48:19 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: pops88

And what would you do if you were told you had to move overseas in 4 days? Should I leave my husband? My dog is at my side all day long except the few hours I run errands. Like I don’t already have a dagger in my heart.


One could take a few days out of one’s busy schedule to take care of what needs to be done, like finding a good home for a loved family member. There’s no law saying you have to move at the same time as your husband....I hear there are several flights a day to world-wide destinations. It seems all your alternative solutions involve abandonment or euthanasia. That “dagger in your heart” is guilt because you’re not going about this the right way. While seeking help from everyone, you’ve thrown in the “threat” that unless someone comes forward the dog will be disposed of. This is what I find offensive.


74 posted on 03/31/2012 7:52:54 AM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: pops88

Outside of crippling social detractions, he sounds like a wonderful animal in the home.

No way I could take him even if you could get him to the East Coast, so I hope you find the right home for the guy.

I had a visiting friend bring her mini-Aussie, a happy little soul who was way more interested in chasing a thrown ball than in being petted or loved on by me. My formerly sweet, playful lab turned into a hateful, snarling beast. All we could figure is she wanted to make sure the newbie wouldn’t steal her status and make her the lowest of now three instead of two dogs. Kinda sad how we had to keep her & the visitor separate for the whole weekend while my dominant dog ignored the drama.

Blessings, and the best of all things as your family begins life in a new land.


75 posted on 03/31/2012 8:00:36 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: DefeatCorruption

“One could take a few days out of one’s busy schedule to take care of what needs to be done, like finding a good home for a loved family member.”

That’s exactly what I’m trying to do. I got 4 hours of sleep last night and that was sitting up on the couch.

“There’s no law saying you have to move at the same time as your husband....I hear there are several flights a day to world-wide destinations.”

You have no clue what my husband does or why flights to world wide destinations isn’t an option.

“It seems all your alternative solutions involve abandonment or euthanasia.”

Well should I be wishing for some magic fairy to show up to take him to live with My Little Pony?

“That “dagger in your heart” is guilt because you’re not going about this the right way. While seeking help from everyone, you’ve thrown in the “threat” that unless someone comes forward the dog will be disposed of. This is what I find offensive.”

No, the dagger is having to give up a beloved friend because he can’t go with me and the reality of the situation is that my options indeed are that limited. I’m really glad you live in a perfect world. I don’t.


76 posted on 03/31/2012 8:29:25 AM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: pops88

Now you’ve done it, he looks like my Jerry who passed away 5 years ago. He had some of the same issues you describe with your GSD which fortunately we were able to work through. He became a wonderful protector of our family as a result. I’m here in IL, wish I could help. Others have given you good advice to seek out good GSD Rescue’s or no-kill shelters. A dog as you describe will find a good home, rest assured of that.


77 posted on 03/31/2012 8:39:28 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: DefeatCorruption

Also, kind Freepers, while I’ve been freaking out and not thinking very straight, have actually been helpful by providing links to no kill shelters and groups I haven’t heard of. It was my assumption that if I had to take my precious pup to a shelter that they’d euthanize him because of his aggression issues. You have absolutely no idea how much I love my dog and what he means to me, but it’s the internet so feel free to sit at your keyboard and say hurtful things rather than try to help. You don’t have to see the tears I’ve been crying the last two days.


78 posted on 03/31/2012 9:00:45 AM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: pops88

HAVE YOU EVEN CONTACTED ANY FREEPERS WILLING TO HELP YOU? HAVE YOU CONTACTED ANY RESCUE GROUPS? And what’s with the “four” days to pack up? No, none of us has a clue as to why you have to be rushed out of the country with such short notice & with no plan in place. What about family members? Friends? Neighbors? This whole story sounds weird especially since you believe there are no options left. From the other posts it’s obvious this dog is going to be put down as this seems to be the direction you’re moving to. Is this plea on FR an attempt to soothe your troubled soul or are you really trying to find this dog a home. Seems there are several alternatives out there without having this dog killed.


79 posted on 03/31/2012 9:03:34 AM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: pops88
I was hoping that I would check this morning & see that a solution has been found. :(

Could you tell us moore about this beutiful dog. What happens when visitors come to the house? Is he aggressive to them? What happens when you take him to the vet? Does he have to be muzzled? Could he not be muzzled during training? There are many unanswered questions & solutions for someone that could adopt him. I'm sure a FReeper would not adopt him for the purpose of abusing him.

I am miles away -but would take him in a heartbeat if I could. We had a GSD years ago that was a beloved member of our family until he went to Rainbow Bridge.

80 posted on 03/31/2012 9:26:07 AM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: pops88

Have you contacted any of the Freepers who have asked you about your dog?


81 posted on 03/31/2012 9:38:35 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: DefeatCorruption

Don’t be an ass. This is a fair bit more than a “change of plans”, this is a complete and total disruption of someone’s life with zero warning and zero alternative.

They’re trying, at least, and with enough scolding and shaming the next person in a fix might well decide to “quietly deal with the problem” without trying rather than be shredded.


82 posted on 03/31/2012 9:58:36 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (WTB new tagline, PST!)
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To: pops88

I don’t post here as much as I used to... but thought I’d add my two cents.

You have a lot going on apparently, a very short time frame and a dog who would be very difficult to place even if you had all the time in the world.

All of those who are pleading with you not to euthanize this dog and giving you opinions about how lots of GSD people and police depts would love to take this dog are glossing over the very critical parts of your posts that indicate he has severe social and behavior issues. Police and military working dogs aren’t loose cannons with personality problems. A stable, balanced temperament is perhaps the most important criteria for these dogs.

Your dog needs to go to someone really skilled with dog behavior and dog training, who also have the time and interest in rehabbing a broken or defective personality. Those people already have dogs, usually. And those involved in rescue are full up, just with easy-going happy, balanced dogs who should be easy to place.

Unless you already knew of a good home in your personal contacts who know the dog, 4 days is just not long enough to search out, check out, and make arrangements that would not just further traumatize this dog. Taking an unstable dog and putting him on a plane to go meet some stranger at the other end sounds like a disaster to me, and an end much worse than your loving arms and a kind veterinarian... Perhaps one who would allow you to pre-sedate him before bringing him in, if he doesn’t cope with outside situations well... or better yet, would come to your place to do it.

I don’t think you would be wrong to euthanize this dog. It’s not the worst outcome. Ending up stressed out from a hastily-made decision to ship him somewhere far from the very sheltered environment he’s been in, sounds like the worse outcome, to me.

My two cents.


83 posted on 03/31/2012 10:09:23 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
"I don’t think you would be wrong to euthanize this dog. It’s not the worst outcome."

It would NOT be an option for me. This dog has lived in this world & is & has been able to cope. I don't believe that he is a hopeless case to train.

The owner did NOT say he is a viscious beast!!

84 posted on 03/31/2012 10:17:11 AM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: pops88

I think you should quit getting dogs if you have to move so often.


85 posted on 03/31/2012 10:23:00 AM PDT by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: Fire_on_High

Don’t be an ass. This is a fair bit more than a “change of plans”, this is a complete and total disruption of someone’s life with zero warning and zero alternative.


Help me out here...what causes a complete and total disruption of someone’s life with zero warning and zero alternatives? This is a serious question. I understand earthquakes, tornados, sudden death...what else? Finding a home, even temporarily, would take the pressure off and give this animal another shot at life. There were many good suggestions and hopefully she will contact a rescue group. Hopefully we’ll have a happy follow-up to this issue.


86 posted on 03/31/2012 10:23:49 AM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: LADY J
It would NOT be an option for me. This dog has lived in this world & is & has been able to cope. I don't believe that he is a hopeless case to train.

Then get in your car, right now, and go get this dog. And if you have some reason you can't, don't hold someone else to your standards that are very easy for you to dictate, from a distance.

87 posted on 03/31/2012 10:25:25 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: pops88

‘Aldawin. And a small bit of trivia- my 13 year old, who had been home schooled, was taking German her first semester at UNLV and decided to give him a German name. We later discovered it means “old friend.”’

Sorry, I have to comment! (I know it’s irrelevent, but...I can’t help myself!)

“Alt(e)” and its variants means old (never a D substitute), but friend is Freund(e). Doesn’t strike me as German at all. Never heard of such a name, either, in German itself or German dogs.


88 posted on 03/31/2012 11:05:04 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
And if you have some reason you can't, don't hold someone else to your standards that are very easy for you to dictate, from a distance."

Right!!! YOU are the only one here allowed to do that!!

89 posted on 03/31/2012 11:12:00 AM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: All

A follow up to my earlier post, because I have to admit that I high expectations of my own, that I hold animal owners to.

And that is to keep the animals in our care well, and deal with whatever issues they have to the best of our ability, till the end. I’ve taken in my share of rescued/lost/unwanted high-maintenance dogs, and rescued/unwanted/high maintenance horses.

And I saw them through to the end. Till the day I could no longer do that. And then I was there for the end. It’s not the worst thing in the world. Sometimes it’s the best thing, for your life, and theirs.

You have to weigh the chances of this dog finding something that you can guarantee is just exactly the the right home, in the next 3 days. A home where the dog will not be a danger to people or other animals, a home who has not just the right intentions, but the right skill and environment to keep this from going very wrong.

And weigh that against the peace of being there till the end so you know he wasn’t hurt, and he didn’t go on to hurt someone else, because in haste, a bad decision was made.


90 posted on 03/31/2012 11:14:28 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: LADY J

OK - fine. See my last.


91 posted on 03/31/2012 11:16:07 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: pops88
"I've kept a file on all his vet records and papers (purebred from East German blood lines.)"

How is he able to manage visits to the vet? There are usually other dogs there when I take my dogs & unless you take him several times in just a few months, the people there are 'strangers' to him.

92 posted on 03/31/2012 11:19:15 AM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Hair! “Welcome back”!

I appreciate your post.


93 posted on 03/31/2012 11:26:11 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Thanks :~)

We still can’t edit our typos out here, once posted... grrr...


94 posted on 03/31/2012 11:29:35 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: LADY J
Right!!! YOU are the only one here allowed to do that!!

I am not dictating she needs to do anything, her life is dictating that.

I'm simply telling her that euthanizing him isn't the worst outcome, or anything she should feel guilty about, if she can't find a really good outcome she knows is the right match.

Can you guarantee this dog will be safe, and everyone around the dog will be safe, for the rest of his life if she gives it away to someone else? You can't.

There is only one way to guarantee that, and that is to do it yourself.

95 posted on 03/31/2012 11:31:03 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: LADY J

Many vets either have separate entrances, or will ensure no dogs/people are waiting when the subject dog arrives. My sister has had to deal with dog-aggression from her male GS many times, so things like that are what they do. As for people-aggression (or at least vet-aggression), vets have to deal with this alot. They may simply ask her to put on a muzzle before she even gets there.


96 posted on 03/31/2012 11:31:35 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: DefeatCorruption

You obviously don’t understand classified info. There is such a thing. I’m assuming so I am not pushing the issue. They cannot tell. In fact, she probably is not allowed to know.


97 posted on 03/31/2012 11:33:41 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: pops88

You really should ignore these jerks, at least for now. Don’t waste time on them that can be spent packing and looking for help.

Incidentally, I just posted on that German Shepherd pedigree site forum (it’s world-wide). We’ll see if I get anything, hopefully without snarky holier-than-thou comments.

If I didn’t have a very expensive high-maintenance GS allergic to everything, and a little 4yo boy who is too used to big dogs, not to mention much closer, I might consider it myself. I wouldn’t promise he’d be here forever, but I’d promise at least to “foster” him until he could get another home or into a rescue org.

BTW, please I hope you contact the several FReepers in a row who said they might help. Also, do you have any friends or family nearby that would help?


98 posted on 03/31/2012 11:45:30 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: DefeatCorruption
Help me out here...what causes a complete and total disruption of someone’s life with zero warning and zero alternatives? This is a serious question. I understand earthquakes, tornados, sudden death...what else? Finding a home, even temporarily, would take the pressure off and give this animal another shot at life. There were many good suggestions and hopefully she will contact a rescue group. Hopefully we’ll have a happy follow-up to this issue.

Yes, let's create a situation where some *other* person will appear that solves this problem. Then I don't have to, you don't have to, someone else will. Just like magic :~)

Must be nice. :~)

99 posted on 03/31/2012 11:46:36 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: pops88

BUMP


100 posted on 03/31/2012 11:50:23 AM PDT by califamily4W
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