Skip to comments.Piers Morgan and MSNBC's Toure go at it on Trayvon Martin
Posted on 03/30/2012 9:27:01 PM PDT by cdchik123
Toure is unsufferable.
SHouldn’t Touré be on VH1 talking about how much he likes Ray Parker, Jr., or something?
Levin calls him ‘Tourrette’. Perfect.
Toure is a jackass. I was kinda hoping that Piers would school him that his native Britannia also owned slaves for much of their history and simply don’t have the ‘black angst’ issues that are so openly pimped in America.
You bought that from my parents? Good for you! Took us from Chicago to Scottsdale back in 74. I always wondered what happened to that boat.
I never heard of him.
LOL. Looks like like the boat fell off...
Piers is right, Toure is not a professional journalist.
Funny thing. My folks bought a yacht.
Both of them should shut up.
Toure reminds me of Cornel West, the Pompous Professor of Blatant Bigotry, who uses 'big' words to make his absurd ideas and racist ideology appear intelligent and lofty.
Toure, Cornel West, and Obozo -all from the same anti American cess poll. They live in a gutter and want everyone to join them.
Must See Video. Wait till the end.
Cut to 11:10....to Toure “you are a speaking fart”...my translation.
The Brits did not have Negro slaves in Britain — slaves were owned and used in some of the colonies, mostly in the Caribbean. BTW, the first slave in N. America was owned by a black man, who insisted that an indentured servant should never get his freedom, thus becoming the first slave.
Britannia comprised at one point 1/5th of the world’s population and controlled a full 1/4 of the earth’s total land mass.
Slavery existed specifically in England and generally in all of Europe from pre-Roman days, and the practice continued throughout the growing Empire of Britannia until the early 1800’s, when slavery was finally outlawed.
Slaves were purchased from Africa and from the Caribbean (and even Ireland). Many “african” slaves were transported to the Caribbean specifically to be sold from there as “caribbean” slaves as a way of getting around political pressure discouraging trade in slaves from Africa. (related to Barbary Coast Pirate issues) “Caribbean” slaves came from other countries, too - for instance, some east-coast american indians had a pre-existing slave trade going on with the caribbean traders.
At the same time, of course, Africans (and Caribbeans) were taking their own slaves - and not only from amongst themselves - Pirates of the Barbary Coast became very wealthy selling into slavery those ‘europeans’ they didn’t kill after plundering their ships, as did the Pirates of the Caribbean. (Piracy-related slave-taking became such a problem it led to the sending of “Marines” to Tripoli, spawning a famous song and the caribbean pirates were a constant headache for decades).
The PC-named ‘indentured servants,” of all sizes and colors, generated in abundance by the courts on the flimsiest of evidence, were sent throughout the British Empire, to colonies in the Caribbean, in the Americas, the South Pacific, Australia and New Zealand.
There is no other nation on earth with more experience in slavery than Britannia except perhaps Egypt. And, remarkably, in spite of tens of centuries of slavery around the world, nowhere to be found, nowhere, is the level of ‘angst’ or ‘soul-deep wounds’, such as is being perpetually pimped in America as a means of gaining power.
“The first Englishman recorded to have taken slaves from Africa was John Lok, a London trader who, in 1555, brought to England five slaves from Guinea. A second London trader taking slaves at that time was William Towerson.”
Indentured servants were entirely different from slaves. Many came over from Europe to America, with someone in America paying their travel expenses. The debt would be worked off by being a servant for a fixed period of time (somewhat like doing the dish-washing at a cafe when unable to pay the bill), with a maximum length of 7 years, after which he was free of debt and the bond. A slave was quite different -- a servant forever with no hope of freedom, and his children were also slaves.
History tends to gloss over the number of African slaves who were voluntarily, and, with much good will and friendship, freed from slavery prior to the Civil War. I've never seen a good gestimate of the number of slaves handed their freedom between 1760 and 1860, but maybe a half million or even a million or more would be a fair start.
In America by 1790, the depleted fields in the North and in Maryland and Virginia had led to crop changes from labor-intensive tobacco to fruits and grains, creating less need for slaves; many were given their freedom outright during the following decades. Tens of thousands became free men as a result of their owner's idealism regarding American Independence, or by their own service in the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812 or "indian territory". Urban slaves were freed at the same time by factory owners who could now tap into the endless market of indentured "servitude" contracts - especially of children. By the early 1820's, there were only about 3000 "african or caribbean" slaves left in all of the North, that's it - most of them in New Jersey.
Meanwhile, professional traders who had purchased the surplus of unfreed slaves being offloaded by the North between 1800 and 1820 found suddenly there weren't too many places left to trade. As a solution, the US Government worked treaties to create in 1820 the African state of Liberia (along with three other colonies). The organization, ACS, worked to repatriate african slaves. Liberia especially was a failure because the repatriated freed slaves enslaved the indigenous people and a civil war of their own broke out.
The northern slaves shipped south weren't really needed, or wanted either. The south resented being made caretakers of the unwanted slaves of the north. But even with the influx from the North, only 3,000 plantations across the entire South owned more than 100 slaves at any one time, and the average southern man didn't own a slave at all, nor could he afford to buy a slave.
From before 1790 thru the 1850's, both England and America worked diligently to find a solution to end slavery. Slaves were set free, and many attempts at much cost was made to repatriate slaves back to their native Africa. Americans worked for over 60 years to solve the problem and in the end was willing to lose 620,000 lives, tear families apart for generations as a result of fratricide, inflict unimaginable damage to half of the country's infrastructure - to risk it all - all of it - to truely become a nation of the free.
Indentured servants were entirely different from slaves. Many came over from Europe to America, with someone in America paying their travel expenses. The debt would be worked off by being a servant for a fixed period of time (somewhat like doing the dish-washing at a cafe when unable to pay the bill), with a maximum length of 7 years, after which he was free of debt and the bond.
true and not true. Indentured servatude was slavery also - make no doubts about that. "Servants" is just a PC word to denote between a black slave and a 'other' slave - both were considered chattel property and could be freely bought and sold.
A private contract between two individuals was 5 to 7 years. But most early contracts were between Companies and individuals. If you were a minor of 4, and your parents died on ship and they were on a company contract, your goose was probably cooked until you were 18 or 21 or 22 and then some, as the child worked off its dead parents' passage and burial costs. Magistrates were not limited to any number of years when consigning the convicted to servatude to a Company.
Unpaid passengers were held up to 30 days aboard ship, unable to debark to find family to pay - this was especially true of the German Palentinates. Captains would then advertise and hold auctions in which the "indebted" were displayed for prospective buyers and the servant really had little choice as to who he or she was sold to.
Only about 40% of indentured slaves actually survived their contract term; that's a much higher mortality rate than the number of African slaves who survived more than 5 years.
Indentured servitude was not a 9-5 dishwashing job, it was 24/7, church attendance time excepted. No apprenticeship was a guaranteed thing - one apprenticed, on paper, for saddlemaking could just as easily end up clearing stumps from fields for a planned townsite in Indian Territory while dodging arrows and mosquitoes. There was no guarantee of a land reward, (just ask William Penn) or of receiving the prescribed gun and horse, or even of a family remaining together, as sons and daughters were indentured out for parents debts or transgressions. And there were always annual "rents" (taxes) to pay on any land received, usually not the choicest lots.
Runaways would have time added to their term and wanted/reward posters went up on fences and poles right next to those for a runaway slave and they were treated similarly upon capture by bounty hunters. Indentured had to carry papers with them, identifying their owners, and signed permission slips when going to and fro on owner business.
There was no guarantee that the person would be fed or clothed or protected appropriately. Punishments were at the discretion of the 'debt-holder' and there was little recourse for a servant slave who was sexually abused or beaten or starved. It was so easy to say a servant committed 'suicide' or fell from a cliff. After all, who was to know?
Marriage was strongly discouraged, as was pregnancy. If an indentured woman had an illegitimate child by her master, not only would time be added to the woman's indenture as punishment, serving the same rapist master (and his now-irrate wife), her child was taken from her to be "sold south" and never to be seen again. That infant in turn was obligated to indenture for 2 years after attaining age, or in some cases, from birth up to age 30 years.
Couples were separated by selling the contract of one of them to someone else. Female "servants" could be sold to whorehouses, where room and board was always added to their contract amount so there was little hope of ever paying off the contract.
African slavery in America ended in 1863. In contrast, although banned at the same time, indentured servatude, flourished for some 50 years longer, continuing into the early 1900's by some accounts.
The angst of slavery exists in the souls of all people, because at some time or another all races have been enslaved and all families have been touched. England and then America voluntarily moved to erase slavery from their shores and from the world. There is no logical reason black 'angst' in America should be so much more profound and dramaladen than 'angst' found everywhere else on earth. America's history of invalidating slavery should be celebrated by all races in America, not condemned or twisted as a dark political tool.
as always, imo jmo, and thanks for the opportunity to discuss, expat.
http://www.ushistory.org/us/5b.asp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servitude_in_Pennsylvania http://www.civilwarhome.com/slavery.htm http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/awhhtml/awlaw3/slavery.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia#Counties_and_districts