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Why Manipulate the Tragedy of Trayvon Martin?
National Review Online ^ | March 25, 2012 | Heather Mac Donald

Posted on 03/30/2012 11:10:18 PM PDT by neverdem

The fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month by a neighborhood-watch volunteer was a sickening and — unless new facts come to light — unjustified loss of an innocent life. Unless Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, had reason to believe that Martin was armed, shooting him was a grossly disproportionate response to a fistfight, even leaving aside the fact that Zimmerman had initiated the encounter. If such a shooting is justified under Florida’s broad self-defense law, that law has licensed violence that goes far beyond legitimate self-defense. Every American shares the despair of Martin’s family over this heartbreaking tragedy and supports a fuller investigation (though the entrance of the Feds at this point is premature, absent evidence of Florida’s incapacity to conduct a fair inquiry).

But is the Martin shooting emblematic of a larger problem? Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the mainstream media here and abroad certainly are portraying it as such. That larger problem, of course, is lethal white racism and a criminal-justice system allegedly indifferent to the killing of blacks. At a rally Thursday night in Sanford, Sharpton said that “Trayvon represents a reckless disregard for our lives that we’ve seen for too long,” and warned that “they,” presumably whites, would try to trick black protesters into violence by “send[ing] in provocateurs.” “Blacks are under attack,” said Jesse Jackson on Friday from Chicago. “Targeting, arresting, convicting blacks, and ultimately killing us is big business.” MSNBC analyst Karen Finney claimed that “racist rhetoric” used by Rush Limbaugh and several Republican presidential candidates was responsible for Martin’s death.

So determined has the New York Times been to fit the shooting into its favored racial story line that it has been referring to the Zimmerman as a “white Hispanic,” contrary to its usual practice of referring to Hispanics without any additional racial characterization. The fact that Zimmerman’s father is white does not explain this departure from the Times’s racial protocols; the Times’s one-drop rule still applies to Barack Obama, who is, according to the Times and every other media outlet, America’s “first black president.” (The Grey Lady referred to Zimmerman for the first time on Friday simply as “Hispanic.”)

Times columnist Charles Blow dealt with the complicating factor of Zimmerman’s ethnicity with a simple duality: “Trayvon is black. Zimmerman is not,” he wrote last Saturday, presumably conferring on Zimmerman putative white status. The Rainbow Coalition has apparently broken down.

Blow went on to claim that it is the “the burden of black boys in America” to be at high risk of being shot by non-blacks: “This is the fear that seizes me whenever my boys are out in the world: that a man with a gun and an itchy finger will find them ‘suspicious.’”

Blow is right about one thing: Black boys do face a much higher chance than non-blacks that they will be shot when they are “out in the world.” Black males between the ages of 14 and 24 were seven times more likely to die of homicide in 2007 than white and Hispanic males of the same age group combined. But the danger they face comes overwhelmingly from other black males, whose homicide offending rate in the 14 to 24 age category was nearly ten times higher than that of young white and Hispanic males combined. (The federal government’s crime data puts Hispanics and whites in a single category of “white,” thus overstating the non-Hispanic white offending and victimization rates). Most homicides are intraracial, but the chance of a black being killed by a white or Hispanic is much lower than the chance that a white or Hispanic will be killed by a black. Seventeen percent of what the FBI calls “white” homicide victims in 2009 were killed by blacks, compared to 8 percent of black homicide victims who were killed by “whites.” There were two and a half times as many white and Hispanic victims of black killers in 2009 as there were black victims of white and Hispanic killers, even though the black population is one-sixth that of whites and Hispanics combined. If Hispanics were removed from the category of “white” killers of blacks, the percentage of blacks killed by Anglo whites would plummet, since a significant percentage of what the FBI calls “white”-on-black killings represent gang warfare between Hispanic and black gangs. (Needless to say, there is no reason to think that racism plays a more frequent role in white-on-black killings than in black-on-white killings.)

Blow’s fear that his children will be blown away by a white is particularly ludicrous in New York City. Blacks commit 80 percent of all shootings in the city — as reported by the victims of and witnesses to those shootings — though they are but 23 percent of the population; whites commit 1.4 percent of all shootings, though they are 35 percent of the population. Add Hispanic shootings to the black tally, and you account for 98 percent of all of the city’s gun violence. In New York, as in big cities across the country, the face of violence is overwhelmingly black and Hispanic.

No evidence has yet surfaced to support the charge that the failure of the Sanford police to arrest Zimmerman results from racial bias, as opposed to ambiguities in the application of Florida’s self-defense law and the absence of eye-witnesses to the killing. But if such evidence of racial indifference does emerge, it would be not only shameful but also a great exception to the practice of police departments across the country. Far from showing a “reckless disregard for [black] lives,” in Sharpton’s words, it is the police and prosecutors who are the most reliable responders to black victimization, trying relentlessly to put together a case even when the witnesses to crime refuse to cooperate. Most police chiefs will say that they could solve every inner-city killing if the people who saw the crime or know the perpetrators came forward, instead of obeying the “no snitching” code.

And it is the concerted efforts of police departments across the country to bring safety to urban neighborhoods that have played a central role in the 50 percent drop in the black homicide victimization rate from 1991 to 2008. In New York City, over 10,000 minority males are alive today who would have been killed had homicide rates remained at their early 1990s highs; the largest cause of that crime drop is the New York Police Department’s policing revolution, which has created an unprecedented sense of urgency about protecting lives. The NYPD’s weekly meetings at police headquarters, known as Compstat, focus relentlessly on one overriding question: How can we save more people — overwhelmingly minorities — from being victimized by crime? Many an NYPD commander has lost his post because he has not had an adequate answer to that question.

The protesters in Florida and across the country are right to demand an explanation for the decision not to charge Zimmerman. A critical examination of Florida’s Stand Your Ground law is absolutely warranted. But the racial storyline that has been imposed on the shooting does not fairly represent contemporary America. That storyline is not just wrong, it is dangerous, because it only feeds black alienation and anger. Family breakdown, not white racism, is the biggest impediment facing blacks today, producing such casualties as the 18-year-old gangbanger who fatally shot a 34-year-old mother picking up her child from school in Brownsville, Brooklyn, last October. Sharpton and the national media didn’t show up for that killing, just as they don’t for the thousands of other black-on-black killings each year. By all means, demand justice for Trayvon Martin. But when that justice comes, as it most surely will, perhaps some small part of the energy devoted to securing it could be redirected towards stigmatizing black criminals and revalorizing the role of fathers in families. 

Editor’s Note: This post has been amended since it was originally published.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Florida
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To: meatloaf

“I take it you haven’t read what Martin’s girlfriend said about the conversation over the phone right before Martin confronted Zimmerman.”

Sure did and it only proves that words were exchanged but as an observation I have to ask, doesnt the first person to speak start the conversation or confrontation in this case?


51 posted on 03/31/2012 2:49:40 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: trailboss800
Every word from the mouth of liberals, democrats, progressives, and blacks is a lie. They stand together, they lie together.

Okay, I'm with you 100% on liberals, democrats, and progressives. But blacks? Seriously? Don't do that on here. Aren't you/we above that?

52 posted on 03/31/2012 2:59:03 AM PDT by mn-bush-man
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To: neverdem

With friends like this who needs enemies?


53 posted on 03/31/2012 2:59:32 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: neverdem
Am noticing islamists beginning to glam onto this situation. Believe the incident is being utilized for cover and/or inroads by the islamists to run setups. The objectives of the islamists setups are always a means to an end, and normally cost people their lives. Surveying the lay of the field for a means to further cover their own ongoing activities and plans is becoming apparent the islamists sense an opportunity via help from the media. (imho). Have seen a few interviews of islamists in recent days by the media discussing this incident.
54 posted on 03/31/2012 3:05:58 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: The Great RJ

My feeling as well. The mother says she called in Sharpton because she couldn’t get any justice; maybe she did, maybe she didn’t. The widespread media blitz and professional race baiters and agitators involvement makes me question her statement. It’s an election year after all and ala Rahm, “no crisis should go to waste”.


55 posted on 03/31/2012 3:38:32 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot (http://www.electstevedawes.com/#)
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To: meatloaf

When did she first make a public statement?


56 posted on 03/31/2012 3:49:54 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: neverdem; csense

I don’t think that we’re her audience. That opening paragraph is a throwaway. Her real audience are moderates and the mushy middle, particularly blacks.

This is a call for hard reflection and to “stand down” from the racial flames being fanned by the likes of Sharpton, et. al.


57 posted on 03/31/2012 3:54:25 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: neverdem
"This is the first time this author started so badly, IMHO."

"Heather Needs An Editor", should be her headline.

She led with an apologia (just unconscionable), buried the lede, and those stats should be bullet points (oh, the irony...).

58 posted on 03/31/2012 3:55:08 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: neverdem
The fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month by a neighborhood-watch volunteer was a sickening and — unless new facts come to light — unjustified loss of an innocent life. Unless Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, had reason to believe that Martin was armed, shooting him was a grossly disproportionate response to a fistfight, even leaving aside the fact that Zimmerman had initiated the encounter. If such a shooting is justified under Florida’s broad self-defense law, that law has licensed violence that goes far beyond legitimate self-defense. Every American shares the despair of Martin’s family over this heartbreaking tragedy and supports a fuller investigation (though the entrance of the Feds at this point is premature, absent evidence of Florida’s incapacity to conduct a fair inquiry).

This author's drivel should come with a complimentary barf bag.

Here's a clue, "Heather". Real life fist fights are nothing like the ones on TV. People do not actually trade blows for several minutes, and then end the affray with both parties simply breathing heavily and perhaps a slight trickle of blood from the corner of the loser's mouth.

Fights in real life are often short, violent affairs, usually with one or more parties attempting to inflict maximum, crippling, permanent damage on another, who is trying to defend themselves from said damage. There is a reason cops refuse to trade blows with people they deal with in the street, they often see the results of REAL fights in the course of their job.

This garbage was almost as nonsensical as the idiot poster here the other day that suggested that Zimmerman should have shot to wound Martin, rather than killing him. What we have is a lot of folks who are giving us their stupid opinions, because they "feel" that the events should have happened differently. Stop "feeling", and start THINKING.

Better yet, Heather, go do some research. Find one of these punks who plays the "Knockout Game" on unsuspecting white people, and give them one free punch... one attempt to knock you out with a single blow. Chances are that you will suffer broken facial bones, lost teeth, a broken jaw, a concussion, and possibly the loss of sight in one eye as a result. Your appearance and your emotional state (perhaps even your ability to think clearly. Nah, never mind, that doesn't seem to be an issue.) will be altered forever. That, from a single blow from someone who is playing a GAME.

I did not read the rest of Heather's article either. She had lost any and all credibility in the first paragraph. Maybe in the future she will learn to save the "touchy- feely" nonsense for the LAST paragraph.

59 posted on 03/31/2012 4:13:19 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (South Carolinians need to start choosing a primary challenger to Nikki Haley NOW!!!!!!!)
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To: presently no screen name
Misappropriate use of force? I imagine the author never saw anyone killed by one punch. Tripping an eighty year old lady can be lethal. If she breaks a hip , odds are she will be dead in a year. Obviously Zimmerman was acting beyond his scope of expertise and the seventeen year old was a product of our culture of violence. The result was tragedy for both men.

My firearms instructor told me “the day you shoot a person will be the worst day of your life.” Hopefully, the race-baiters will not provoke more violence. If you are a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail; if you are a racist everything is solely about race.

60 posted on 03/31/2012 4:14:00 AM PDT by Babba Gi
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To: athelass
"Those are breathtaking statistics, but the story doesn’t answer the question, why are the professional race baiters exploiting this particular shooting? Could it be because Florida is going red this November? ... "

"President Barack Obama's 2012 re-election campaign will be the first in modern political history to abandon white working-class voters, strategists claim.

For decades, Democrats have been losing more and more blue collar whites. Their alienation helped lead to the massive Republican wave in 2010, when the GOP wooed 30 percent more of them than the Democrats could.

Democratic strategists say President Obama is focusing his attention, instead, on poor black and Hispanic voters and educated white professionals."

Or in other words, Bobo can't win. But that doesn't mean they won't abandon whites anyway...

61 posted on 03/31/2012 4:14:53 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: neverdem
I had a conversation with a visitor to our business yesterday along the very lines of the first paragraph. He even went so far as to say that if someone was beating up his wife he would still not use a gun to shoot them.

I couldn't believe that there are people who are unwilling to defend themselves. Criminals are learning that there are far too many people like Heather and our visitor - they have been destroyed inside by the overwhelming political correctness and self loathing by the left.

62 posted on 03/31/2012 4:19:30 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: neverdem
.. a grossly disproportionate response to a fistfight ..

<plonk>

63 posted on 03/31/2012 4:21:30 AM PDT by tomkat ( FU baraq !)
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To: raybbr
they have been destroyed inside by the overwhelming political correctness and self loathing by the left

Amen

64 posted on 03/31/2012 4:23:39 AM PDT by tomkat ( FU baraq !)
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To: neverdem
"Unless Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, had reason to believe that Martin was armed, shooting him was a grossly disproportionate response to a fistfight, even leaving aside the fact that Zimmerman had initiated the encounter."

The very first day this came out I said lets just let the news media try people. Look at the money we would save by abolishing the court system.
I read a report that made sense early on. Zimmerman lost sight of Martin and was walking back to his vehicle. Martin then came up to him and said something like "you got a problem? you do now." Then he knocked Zimmerman down then got on top of him and pulled his shirt over his head thus revealing the pistol. They struggled over it and Zimmerman was able to fire it, however it was an automatic and Martin had his hand on the slide so only one round went off. The automatic mechanism did not operate meaning the spent bullet was still in the chamber.
This makes sense to me but I am NOT saying this is exactly what happened. I want people under oath when they give information. Being under oath won't stop people from lying, but it means that if they are caught in a lie they can face prosecution, unlike lying to the TV camera.
The scenario I just gave may be the reason they haven't charged Mr. Zimmerman. If it was cold bloodied shooting he would have been in jail when it occurred and would still be there without bond.
Now Jessie & Al say they want justice. No they want Zimmerman arrested and convicted and they will not be satisfied with anything less, regardless of the facts.
I still say lets get the facts in court, then we should know exactly what happened.

Unfortunately the well has been so poisoned that we may never get the facts. Remember the Rodney King riots? If Zimmerman is found to be not guilty I am afraid all hell will break loose and Al & Jessie should be held accountable.

65 posted on 03/31/2012 4:28:18 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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To: neverdem

Why manipulate the tragedy? Why not, say the untold numbers of vultures circling the body. Jackson and Sharpton are two scoundrels whose lives are built around exploiting tragedy. This is not the first time they’ve done it, and it sure won’t be the last.


66 posted on 03/31/2012 4:51:35 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Migraine

And to think the community organizer-in-chief has done his part


He is a community agitator...not an organizer. He can’t organize anything...only agitate and incite hate for America, Americans and every skin color other than black.


67 posted on 03/31/2012 4:54:10 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Voter#537
Jessie & Al

The Obama lynch mob.

68 posted on 03/31/2012 4:54:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: nathanbedford
Evidently "what are you doing here?" caused Martin to start the so-called "fistfight".

Zimmerman now fears for his life for ATWQOABMWWH. (asking the wrong question of a black man while white hispanic)

69 posted on 03/31/2012 5:02:44 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: neverdem

It’s an election year. Time to fire up the base.


70 posted on 03/31/2012 5:20:44 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: neverdem
Well, Heather MacDonald is funny on Chelsea Lately...


71 posted on 03/31/2012 5:39:29 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

This is the DEMOCRAT RE-ELECTION STRATEGY!
Nothing more.


72 posted on 03/31/2012 5:43:41 AM PDT by Flintlock (Photo ID for ALL voting. Let our dead rest in peace!)
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To: neverdem
Unless Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, had reason to believe that Martin was armed, shooting him was a grossly disproportionate response to a fistfight

This is how the coalition of commies and RINOs are going to destroy self-defense laws that have been built up over the last 20 years.

They will whip up the citiots, most of whom have never been in any kind of physical conflict in their entire lives, into believing that fists are not deadly.

This "grossly disproportionate" meme will grow and grow among the nancy-boys and fraidy-girls of the news media, who would not defend their own lives if they were raped within a millimeter of it.

Obama said he would persue gun control "under the radar". Through manipulation of the news media, he no longer has to. They will do his work for him.

But I will not lay down. I will be armed, and I will shoot any mutant zombie Trayvon who assaults me, with a fist or with a gun, or with anything.

73 posted on 03/31/2012 5:52:18 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Candor7

Zimmerman couldn’t shoot more than once. Due to the back of the gun being right on Zimmerman’s body or a struggle for the gun, the second cartridge didn’t cycle into the chamber. The police reported that they recovered a fully loaded magazine from the gun.


74 posted on 03/31/2012 5:56:39 AM PDT by gusty
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To: neverdem

This article is still full of bull, despite supposed statistics. It remains an isolated incident that appears to have escalated to shocking results.

In addition to the eyewitness, we have yet to learn if there were indeed a bag of candy, skittles, or an ice tea bottle on the scene. All the touting of the skittles and tea make me want to know if it was actually that, or drugs and pot. Saw a reference to the nearest store to buy these was 2 miles away and he would have had to walk in the rain. I am curious about a lot more than what Trayvon’s family and crew keep spouting off about.

As to the suggestion that the violence inflicted upon Zimmerman didn’t warrant a gun...isn’t that what the FL law is all about? It wasn’t Zimmerman’s responsibility to get himself out of that situation without defending himself. A head injury can be fatal, should he have waited till he was unconscious before he pulled the gun?


75 posted on 03/31/2012 5:57:00 AM PDT by tioga
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To: neverdem
Unless Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, had reason to believe that Martin was armed, shooting him was a grossly disproportionate response to a fistfight, even leaving aside the fact that Zimmerman had initiated the encounter.

Another citified intellectual shows her fundamental revulsion towards the basic human concept of self-defense. How many people are killed each year by someone else's bare hands?

76 posted on 03/31/2012 6:00:15 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: 13Sisters76
-- Zimmerman may have feared that this kid was going to take his gun away and use it on him. --

According to both his bother and his father, Martin was in the process of trying to take the gun. Martin spied the gun, and THAT preceded the death threat from Martin, against Zimmerman.

77 posted on 03/31/2012 6:00:41 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: neverdem

Why exploit Trayvon? Never let a good tragedy go to waste!


78 posted on 03/31/2012 6:03:43 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: 13Sisters76
Let’s not forget one important point: Zimmerman may have feared that this kid was going to take his gun away and use it on him. I carry, and under those circumstances, I’m shooting him all day.

Amen. I'm tired of ceding my country to the Trayvons. I'VE HAD IT!

79 posted on 03/31/2012 6:05:58 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: neverdem

” unless new facts come to light — unjustified loss of an innocent life. “

I almost threw up after the first sentence.

Unreal and irresponsible.


80 posted on 03/31/2012 6:07:25 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Obama looks like Trayvon's dad.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
The shooting took place at 7:20 PM or thereabouts, not wee hours. Otherwise, your post is right on. Zimmerman's suspicion was not unreasonable, and he showed tremdous restraint, taking a beating for a minute or so before his sidearm became unconcealed (not because he was drawing it).
81 posted on 03/31/2012 6:10:08 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Krankor
-- Why didn't the girlfriend come forward immediately? --

Speculation on my part, but if she heard how the fight started, she may know that Martin was 100% the aggressor, and she did not want to give that up. After being coached by a lawyer, and after the police dispatch recording came out, she was able to come up with a plausible story that didn't directly contradict the recording of Zimmerman.

82 posted on 03/31/2012 6:13:16 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: neverdem
I guess I should have left out the first paragraph and excerpted the statistics.

You know, the statistics are well-known to those of us who have gotten training to carry firearms. Anybody who digs into the crime in their own state will find that a majority of violent crimes are committed by blacks, usually against other blacks.

That isn't the point. The point is, this new meme of "victims of black crime shouldn't shoot back no matter what."

Obama thinks that will help him get re-elected. But the real effect will be to start a civil war, if it keeps up.

83 posted on 03/31/2012 6:13:32 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Candor7
-- Zimmerman was conservative with his responce shooting only once. --

There are reports that the slide didn't cycle, so that what was left in the pipe was an empty casing. The magazine was full.

If Martin had his hands on the slide and frame, and pulled the pistol toward himself, he may be the one who "pulled the trigger."

At that point, the threat stopped.

84 posted on 03/31/2012 6:17:27 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: neverdem
"witness said he was slamming Zimmerman's head into to the ground,"

Can you point me an article with statement from this witness? Thanks)

"With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked Zimmermann, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times."

I would think the medics would have an indication as to what what formed it. Such as a very pronounced 'goose egg' being raised as opposed to a verticle type gash line as would happen if falling backward against a patio 4X4 post. The body (Which Z shot and was on top of him) was found nearer the patio than the sidewalk.

85 posted on 03/31/2012 6:21:50 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Cboldt

I have to ask, since the neighborhood watch was out at 7:20 PM, is that after dark there at that time of year? (It makes a tremendous difference at the latitude I live at, so I thought I’d ask.)


86 posted on 03/31/2012 6:21:50 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Cboldt; Krankor
Agree plus “Snitches need stitches”
87 posted on 03/31/2012 6:23:02 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
He wasn;t on watch duty - he waw on his way to or from a personal errand.

Sunset was 6:22, IIRC. It was dark.

88 posted on 03/31/2012 6:25:07 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: tioga

FLORIDA’S STAND YOUR GROUND LAW Op-Ed: Why I Wrote ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law
March 26, 2012

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/26/149404276/op-ed-why-i-wrote-stand-your-ground-law Also - Rep. Dennis Baxley’s Fox News piece “Trayvon Martin’s alleged attacker not covered under law I wrote.”


89 posted on 03/31/2012 6:28:38 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Cboldt

Thanks. Were skittles and tea recovered at the scene?


90 posted on 03/31/2012 6:35:00 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
-- Were skittles and tea recovered at the scene? --

Good question. I really don't have an opinion on that point. I suspect the Martin family lawyer of conjuring up an impression; maybe from the girl friends recounting of her phone call. I think I'll go look for his presser where he played the recording or her describing what she heard.

91 posted on 03/31/2012 6:41:07 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
I'm curious. 'skittles' is also a slang term for the drug ecstacy. I have read of the tea reference dealing with laced marijuana.

If so, the deceased may have stashed the stuff (if there was any) and then confronted Zimmerman, expecting to recover it later.

Of course, if actual Skittles and a container of tea were recovered from the scene, that theory is out the window.

92 posted on 03/31/2012 6:53:35 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: anglian

Key words...”does not appear to be”.....depends on what facts you apply. Too much speculation.


93 posted on 03/31/2012 6:56:47 AM PDT by tioga
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To: neverdem; All
While the Zimmerman/Martin ‘white’ on black killing is covered 24/7 on the MSM with an outpouring of rage and charges of a racial hate crime, where is the concern- where is the rage about the home invasion, torture, beating, rape and murder of the elderly white couple by a gang of feral blacks in Oklahoma just a few weeks ago?

The 90 year old war veteran husband was beaten and his jaw broken. He was shot in the face numerous times with a BB gun and sent to the hospital in critical condition.

The 85 year old partially blind wife was RAPED and then BEATEN TO DEATH.

Can you just imagine the pain, the humiliation, the horror that dear old lady experienced being gang raped by that pack of feral animals?

(the autopsy states she was raped. Don’t think all of these animals didn’t all participate)

And can you imagine the pain, the horror of that dear old husband having to witness this?

There’s a lot more involved here than a home invasion and robbery.

WHERE ARE THE CHARGES OF A RACIAL HATE CRIME??

90 year old husband’s jaw broken and shot in face with a BB gun numerous times?

85 wife year old semi blind wife RAPED and BEATEN to death??

Why does it take a foreign press to enlighten America as to this henious crime?

Where is the outrage?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html


94 posted on 03/31/2012 7:02:20 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Babba Gi
"I imagine the author never saw anyone killed by one punch."

If that's all it would take I would have kept the undertakers quite busy in my life. And my weight reached only 140-lb max. But then again, I never had much of a 'beauty face complex' or sh** my pants in a fistfight over someone twice my size. The 9 in the glovebox was for real criminals and armed pussys who think of themselves as LEO's and who's emotions take over their better judgment.

95 posted on 03/31/2012 7:10:59 AM PDT by anglian
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To: neverdem

Lots of comments on this other thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2866283/posts


96 posted on 03/31/2012 7:19:03 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come.)
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To: Netizen

I noticed this a couple of times now. Does FR automatically combine multiple threads now?


97 posted on 03/31/2012 7:21:24 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come.)
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To: Migraine

Socialist politics, pure and simple. Pick a person, event, thing, focus on it, demonize it connect it to your enemies (in this case racist whites - even the WHITE hispanics), and hammer it home to prove all whites, conservatives and non socialists are the root cause of the Democrat Base’s problems...Socialist politics.


98 posted on 03/31/2012 7:28:01 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: neverdem; EternalVigilance
No. Yes. It' a good essay further down. Not my point. Scan the rest of the comments in this thread and notice there is good indication many never got that far solely due to her opening paragraph. So you're something akin to a fan? That means you're resistant to my advice; but it's advice worthy of consideration. Explain that opening paragraph that sounds way too disapproving of self defense. It looks like an incrementalist type introduction to whittling away at self defense. (That relates to another discussion I had with EV and so I used it as an example) Pro-police has a tendency to look askance at self-defense at any level for sometimes good reasons For example, police coming on a scene will find it difficult to identify good guys from bad during an ongoing tussle. No police authority on earth wants to confront that dilemma. Still, your have a right to self-defense. This is my longer point neverdem: "progressives" have gotten as far as they have in taking down our rights through incrementally employing "what-if" dilemmas such as that. The ideas expressed in that opening paragraph destroys the urge of many readers to read further. And as you point out, there is good info afterwards. Thus, as an introductory paragraph -- perhaps meant as nothing more than a CYA to her police buddies -- this opening paragraph sucks. Look, it's not a full-blown anti-gun nor anti-self defense salon piece --it's only in the anteroom so to speak. My criticism was to demonstrate the way incremtalists have been so successful. When "be wary" becomes a bad thing to advise, we are way far gone.

Also, who ever expected Ann Coulter to back Romney, or in the manner she has? I, who have a long history of defending Dennis Prager, never thought I'd be so disapproving him. Over the years at Salem Broadcasting he's turned into a Medhead -- and he STILL can't add. Things change. Welcome to Obamanation: it's not just a pun any more.

99 posted on 03/31/2012 7:51:46 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (How humanitarian are "leaders" who back Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases?)
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To: nathanbedford

nice chronology

tks


100 posted on 03/31/2012 8:27:47 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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