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TV ad shows danger of 'invisible secondhand smoke'
BBC News ^ | 03/31/2012 | BBC News

Posted on 03/31/2012 1:50:13 AM PDT by EnglishCon

Making houses and cars smokefree is the only way to protect children from second-hand smoke, according to a new government campaign in England.

The TV and radio adverts show how pervasive invisible second-hand smoke can be.

Breathing it in can damage lungs and cause cancers, research has shown.

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The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health said it wanted to see smoking in cars made illegal, when children are present. "I have no doubt an outright ban on smoking in cars would have the same positive results [as banning drink-driving]” - Prof Terence Stephenson Royal College of Paediatrics & Child Health

Professor Terence Stephenson, President of the RCPCH, said: "The state does have a duty to protect children's health and intervene where necessary.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1984; antitobaccoscam; ban; cars; children; england; health; homes; ingsoc; insanity; nannystate; orwell; secondhandsmoke; shs; smoking; ungland
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Gotta love the nanny state. Apparently that is now an order.
1 posted on 03/31/2012 1:50:17 AM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: EnglishCon

I think this is the same group that was pushing for a ban on *all* pointed knifes. For the good of the children, of course.


2 posted on 03/31/2012 2:44:37 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: expat1000

I bought one of the pointless kitchen knives, purely for the novelty value.


3 posted on 03/31/2012 3:04:40 AM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: EnglishCon

I bought one of the pointless kitchen knives, purely for the novelty value

we have one also it’s called a butter knife.Maybe next they will ban forks or make rubber prongs. Better cut down all trees you could poke an eye out with a twig.


4 posted on 03/31/2012 3:08:24 AM PDT by bikerman (you can take the man out of the jungle but can't take the jungle out of the man)
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To: EnglishCon

“The state does have a duty to protect children’s health and intervene where necessary....No, the parents do. Government needs to stay the hell out of the way.


5 posted on 03/31/2012 3:20:02 AM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: EnglishCon
Breathing it in can damage lungs and cause cancers, research has shown.

I'll bet there's absolutely no proof of that. Just some slap-dash studies where a tiny bit of correlation is taken to be causation.

6 posted on 03/31/2012 3:24:58 AM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: bikerman

Stop giving them ideas!

Just to give you an idea of the insanity we have here - my business owns a small van. It is registered to the business, not to me, to get the tax break.
I am the only person that drives it, never carry a passenger, and legally I am not allowed to smoke in it because it is a business vehicle.

Or, I bought a new kitchen knife a couple of weeks ago. A nice one, well made, good steel and a comfortable size. I had to show proof of age, despite having a fairly impressive and nearly totally white beard.

I can not drop off or pick up my grandkids from play group. Because I am male. That is not an assumption, that is a direct quote from the playgroup leader.

The list goes on and on. Forget the camels nose in the tent, the entire herd is in here.


7 posted on 03/31/2012 3:28:44 AM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: EnglishCon

My Grandmother is 100 and smoked unfiltered cigarettes until she was 75. Last year she got pnuemonia and fluid in the lungs and she recovered. So much for damaged lungs from smoking. Her only problems now are deafness and failing eyesight so I assume liberals will want to ban sound and light.


8 posted on 03/31/2012 3:32:36 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between lose and loose.)
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To: EnglishCon

Liberals here in the US are reading this and salivating..


9 posted on 03/31/2012 3:33:04 AM PDT by Seabeejas (h)
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To: EnglishCon

See also:

“Global Warming”.

Same same.


10 posted on 03/31/2012 3:36:57 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (There is nothing "public" about government union-controlled schools)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Ever noticed how the rise in cancer levels matches very closely the rise in using preservatives in food on a decade by decade basis?

I am not going to say smoking is not a factor - it is. That is pretty settled. It takes your lungs a while to recover when you quit smoking, and inhaling tars and carbon monoxide are not terribly good for you.


11 posted on 03/31/2012 3:38:20 AM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: BfloGuy

Time to bring this site out again.
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/who.html


12 posted on 03/31/2012 3:47:25 AM PDT by Misterioso ( The difference between stupidity and intelligence is that intelligence has its limits)
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To: EnglishCon
I grew up with both my parents smoking. I don't smoke and never did.
One smoked unfiltered camel the other smoked marlboro.
Me & my sister breathed enough second hand smoke to sink a battle ship. We have NO problems from it. She doesn't smoke either.
If they can't tell the truth about second hand smoke then what else are the lying about.
Don't get me wrong I know it is not good for young children and should be avoided when possible. But I don't believe it is as bad as they are making it out to be since I experienced it first hand and I am 65 years old my sister is 69.
13 posted on 03/31/2012 3:50:48 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I have Pulmonary Fibrosis, a terminal lung diease. Never smoked.


14 posted on 03/31/2012 3:50:54 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Voter#537

I’ll not smoke around children. It is rude. If the kids are here, I go into the garden for a smoke, rather than doing it inside.

But that is my choice, in my own home. Nothing at all to do with the government. Most parents/grandparents do that now as a matter of course, just in case. My daughter and son in law doesn’t smoke, so I naturally do not smoke in their home.

I have seen evidence that second hand smoke has an effect - usually on children with poor diets. Nothing that I would consider rock solid proof, but there is evidence, and, personally, I’d rather be safe than sorry.

Oddly, your post triggered an odd association in my mind. The whole thing about killing children’s immune systems by using antibacterials everywhere. That is something to ponder on for later, I guess.


15 posted on 03/31/2012 4:30:03 AM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: EnglishCon
You have to remember that when I was young smoking was ever thought to be healthy. Commercials had actual doctors recommending cigarettes. Supposedly it relaxed you.
All I am saying is tell the TRUTH. Not what is thought to be the truth but the TRUTH.
I agree children should not be exposed to second hand smoke.
16 posted on 03/31/2012 4:44:46 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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To: Voter#537

I started smoking when I was 10 - back in the 60’s. If someone ever invents a time machine, I will queue for months for the chance to go back and kick my 10 year old a$$!

I agree there is a lot of cod science being thrown about here. No attempt to look at all the factors involved.


17 posted on 03/31/2012 4:52:22 AM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: EnglishCon

And yet they want to legalize pot.


18 posted on 03/31/2012 4:59:27 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: EnglishCon

,,,,, I think I’ll go to my humidor and celebrate this thread with a Cohiba Lanceros ,,,


19 posted on 03/31/2012 5:34:58 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: EnglishCon
No shit, the invisible man keeps showing up at my house and hides my stuff, keys, wallet, car clicker, pisses me off.
20 posted on 03/31/2012 5:39:53 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

My Grandmother is 100 and smoked unfiltered cigarettes until she was 75. Last year she got pnuemonia and fluid in the lungs and she recovered. So much for damaged lungs from smoking.


Yup. Anyone with even half a brain would know that the myth that smoking is unhealthy is just a commie-scientist con. Smoking was so healthy for my mother it killed her with lung cancer. Smoking was so healthy for me it gave me COPD. So light em up, folks. Especially in your car with kids inside and with the windows rolled up!


21 posted on 03/31/2012 5:44:37 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

For your ping list...


22 posted on 03/31/2012 5:56:46 AM PDT by HoneysuckleTN (Where the woodbine twineth...)
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To: EnglishCon

The nonsense anti-tobacco propaganda continues its march.


23 posted on 03/31/2012 8:04:58 AM PDT by arderkrag ("WAAHH WAAAHHH SCOTUS" is no excuse to vote for Romney. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: EnglishCon

The cold fact, is that Adolph Hitler never achieved the level of control over the minutiea of the life of the AVERAGE German citizen, as the British government does today.
Ditto for the level of surveillance.
The ultimate fact, is that after all the mass murders and cleansing,,, they wanted a control freak society like the UK has “achieved”.


24 posted on 03/31/2012 9:28:47 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for officeoffI)
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To: EnglishCon
The Kinks - Living On A Thin Line
25 posted on 03/31/2012 9:37:45 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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EVERY air hostess who flew between the 40-80's would be DEAD today IF second hand smoke "killed" It doesn't!

It distracts

Maybe if we had paid such attention to terrorism than the liberal agendas of second hand smoke, corporal punishment, capital punishment, guy rights, no child left behind, etc

911 wouldn't have happened.

26 posted on 03/31/2012 10:05:33 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: chessplayer

>>Smoking was so healthy for my mother it killed her with lung cancer. Smoking was so healthy for me it gave me COPD.<<

Understanding that your mother died of a lung disease and knowing that you have come up with one yourself, I would think that it is genetic in your family.

Now they are finding that Radon has a big factor in Lung disease. People who have never smoked nor lived with smokers have contracted lung disease. As the rates of smoking go down, the rates of lung cancer are remaining the same. Why is that? If one’s house is on a slab with any part of it (including crawlspaced)exposed to dirt, Radon is a danger.

I’m not a smoker, but I don’t like junk science. When every list to prevent any disease has “stop smoking” included, this has become a big boogey man and a way to control people. It’s time to take a serious look at ALL the causes. Especially since obesity rates have skyrocketted as smoking has been reduced.


27 posted on 03/31/2012 11:48:56 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: BfloGuy

” Breathing it in can damage lungs and cause cancers, research has shown.
I’ll bet there’s absolutely no proof of that.”

Harvard Med did a study 20 years ago, that proved second-hand smoke was harmless....just an eye irritant. It was reported once, and buried for eternity : )


28 posted on 03/31/2012 12:21:39 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Is 2nd hand smoke the smoke that smokers exhale? I am guessing that is has been filtered through the smokers lungs but what about the smoke that burns off the end of the cigarette? That would be just regular smoke like the smoker inhales, nothing 2nd hand about that.
29 posted on 03/31/2012 12:33:07 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

Harvard study was over 5 years, and used a large room, with no ventilation.


30 posted on 03/31/2012 1:02:05 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yeah, a large room with no ventilation, like our living room.


31 posted on 03/31/2012 1:05:01 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: netmilsmom
this has become a big boogey man

Agree with you. It has been the tool they've used to spike the Gov't's intrusion into ALL health matters.

Once the 2nd-hand-smoke house of cards falls, the whole push for Gov health care falls with it IMO. Kind of like the increase in oil production and general prosperity will balloon once the Warming myth has been deconstructed.

The number of deaths from 2nd-hand-smoke is pitifully small. It's ridiculous that they've built a whole movement on it. In addition, many of those deaths were due to miners' exposure to coal, etc. not cigarettes.

32 posted on 03/31/2012 1:06:06 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Ditter

LOL.....I did read the report. It disappeared faster than the Grace Commission : )


33 posted on 03/31/2012 1:12:28 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: what's up

Deaths due to second hand smoke/man made global warming

two Big Lies.

No, it is not good to smoke around little kids..DUH : )


34 posted on 03/31/2012 1:15:34 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Here is the British Medical Journal peer reviewed study of over 30,000 Californians that were non smokers with smoking spouses that proves second hand smoke has no ill health effects.

http://www.bmj.com/content/326/7398/1057.full

The second hand smoke claims are pure crap.

FWIW


35 posted on 03/31/2012 1:25:31 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun

Results mirror Harvards’ shorter study.

Nobody dies from second hand smoke, period.


36 posted on 03/31/2012 1:37:26 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: jurroppi1

BTTT.


37 posted on 03/31/2012 2:01:32 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: EnglishCon

If everyone stopped smoking they’d have a bigger revenue problem than they did when they raised the top rate to 50%.


38 posted on 03/31/2012 2:14:35 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: EnglishCon
I read on Wikipedia where your government Brit-wits are pricing your car registration based on how much CO2 your vehicle puts out (for new vehicles).

You all pay so much in road taxes that it's a wonder you can afford housing.

39 posted on 03/31/2012 2:48:46 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: EnglishCon; Eric Blair 2084; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; ...

Nanny State PING!


40 posted on 03/31/2012 2:53:09 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Voter#537; EnglishCon

Indeed, my Mom smoked around me in the car and the house all the time when I was growing up. In the car, she cracked the window, but nonetheless, I’m sure I had exposure there.

And here I am, without a hacking cough or lung cancer, apparently none the worse for wear.


41 posted on 03/31/2012 2:56:39 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: EnglishCon

“I can not drop off or pick up my grandkids from play group. Because I am male. That is not an assumption, that is a direct quote from the playgroup leader.”

==

Your other comments were proof of the insanity we are living with today,but not being able to pick up your own grandchildren makes my blood boil.

Can their fathers pick them up?

Is this legal?


42 posted on 03/31/2012 3:16:06 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I’m still smoking and will be 80 my next birthday.

Raised 5 healthy kids,all non-smokers.

The entire 2nd hand smoke thing is pure b*******.

Congrats on having a 100 year old grandmother——pretty neat.


43 posted on 03/31/2012 3:21:42 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yep.


44 posted on 03/31/2012 3:26:30 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Mears; EnglishCon
Can their fathers pick them up?

We had a conversation about this last week. Something reminded me of taking our then 9 yo daughter to a birthday party. I knew the mom, I knew the child, blah, blah blah. But I was on my way to work and told the mom that my husband would be picking her up. She looked at me and said "I don't know him, I hope he won't mind when I ask him for ID." I was dumbstruck. I finally collected myself and informed her he was her father and her own daughter knew him.

Is this legal?

Yup

45 posted on 03/31/2012 4:07:32 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

“”I don’t know him, I hope he won’t mind when I ask him for ID.””

Astonishing.


46 posted on 03/31/2012 4:28:56 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Gabz
The war against men carries on.

Too bad men are the people who know how and are willing to kill the people who would harm other people for numerous indeterminate reasons for the sake of protecting their own people.

47 posted on 03/31/2012 5:20:19 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper; Mears

I cut her some slack because she had just gone through a really nasty divorce and custody battle, but I find it so disconcerting that so many people just assume a husband is not the father or a wife is not the mother.

It used to be the norm...........

How about paying attention to that kind of stuff and stop inventing BS like threatening to take away children because a parent smokes.............DUH

Sorry for my rant, but this hits too close to home for me.


48 posted on 03/31/2012 5:42:22 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: GeronL

Let’s see. As smoking bans have uniformly increased, at the same time people have also uniformly gotten fatter. I propose a theory...


49 posted on 03/31/2012 7:49:12 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: BfloGuy
I'll bet there's absolutely no proof of that. Just some slap-dash studies where a tiny bit of correlation is taken to be causation.

Or even when there probably is causation, the risk increases from 1 in 100 million to, gasp, 10 in 100 million or something and of course they report that as "a tenfold increase in risk". (Which it is, but who cares, given the absolute magnitude of even the new, increased risk.)

50 posted on 03/31/2012 8:58:03 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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