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Global Warming Denialism ‘Just Foolishness,’ Scientist Peter Raven Says
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Posted on 04/01/2012 10:26:15 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Global Warming Denialism ‘Just Foolishness,’ Scientist Peter Raven Says

U.S. prestige falling as world has ‘pretty well given up’ on any American leadership facing climate change.

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Nature’s Edge Notebook #23

Observation, Analysis, Reflection, New Questions

One of the world’s most widely known and respected senior scientists tells ABC News that current denial about the basic daunting realities of manmade global warming is “just foolishness.”

He also reports that the rest of the world has now “pretty well given up” on its hope for U.S. leadership in dealing with global climate change.

His assessment reinforces our findings at the recent global climate summit in Durban, South Africa, that the vigorous anti-climate science movement in the United States has significantly damaged American prestige among European leaders who are struggling to deal with the daunting impacts of global warming.

Peter Raven, co-inventor in 1964, along with biologist Paul R. Ehrlich, of the bedrock concept of co-evolution (see footnote below), has long been a trusted adviser of American presidents, many other heads of state and government, religious leaders including popes, and countless congressional, academic and scientific leaders in the United States and around the world.

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KEYWORDS: agw; agwfraud; corruption; democrats; envirofascism; fraud; glimategate; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; greenfraud; junkscience; liberalfascism; peterraven; raven; thegreenlie
Take away his grant money......
1 posted on 04/01/2012 10:26:18 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
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2 posted on 04/01/2012 10:28:25 AM PDT by keypro (Dubyateaef)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yep, that grant money always amounts to some kind of trouble. It’d be curious to go back and find where we started handing out science grant money. I doubt if it was going on in the 1920s or prior.


3 posted on 04/01/2012 10:28:25 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Sub-Driver

“He also reports that the rest of the world has now “pretty well given up” on its hope for U.S. leadership in dealing with global climate change.”

Ok?

Then let the “rest of the world” implement all of the kooky measures they want to fight the weather.

Unless this whole thing was nothing more than some scam to cripple the U.S. economy and standard of living in order to redistribute our wealth to 3rd world dumps.


4 posted on 04/01/2012 10:30:52 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (If case you are wondering, I'm supporting Newt.)
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To: Sub-Driver

And how does this differ from treatment of non-believers during the Spanish Inquisition?


5 posted on 04/01/2012 10:31:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes, fighting mother nature, and the past and ongoing history of the world, is going to change nothing. Except of course, giving nutcase liberals a reason to exist and deny the rights of others.....

So what is new, right?


6 posted on 04/01/2012 10:33:55 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Sub-Driver
Global Warming Denialism ‘Just Foolishness,’ Scientist Peter Raven Says

Yes. Just Foolishness.

Plummetting temperatures worldwide shows that Mother Nature is only 'Just Foolishness.

The people who produced the emails that show collaborative 'scientific' fraud as regards Glow-Bull Warming? 'Just Foolishness'.

Individuals that point out that Solar Maximums and Minimums are the true source of temperature variations? You guessed it: 'Just Foolishness'.

Raven, you are the worst kind of ass. You have NOTHING to do with science.

7 posted on 04/01/2012 10:35:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Senior Scientist = Junior Birdman.....”Up In The Airrrr UPSIDE DOWN!”


8 posted on 04/01/2012 10:35:46 AM PDT by Shady (The undeniable truth of the Obama Administration...The numbers do not lie.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
And how does this differ from treatment of non-believers during the Spanish Inquisition?

No torture.

Yet.

9 posted on 04/01/2012 10:36:07 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: VanDeKoik

“U.S. leadership” is codespeak for “U.S. money.”


10 posted on 04/01/2012 10:36:07 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Sub-Driver

The commie “manmade climate change” believers have taken up a new tactic. Insulting Americans. Yeah! That’ll work. LOL! I’ve always known those loony, “manmade climate change” believers weren’t very bright.


11 posted on 04/01/2012 10:36:35 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time to WEAN the government off of our money.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
And how does this differ from treatment of non-believers during the Spanish Inquisition?

Well, listening to these insufferable boors is sheer torture, so I guess it doesn't differ much at all. Personally I prefer the rack.

12 posted on 04/01/2012 10:37:45 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Sub-Driver

13 posted on 04/01/2012 10:39:01 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Sub-Driver
United States has significantly damaged American prestige among European leaders who are struggling to deal with the daunting impacts of global warming.

Europe has significantly cut back on green energy projects, more so than us. Plus, they are "struggling to deal with the daunting aspects" of one of the worst winters in memory, where whole towns were cut off and homes buried in snow, in normally moderate winter areas.

14 posted on 04/01/2012 10:43:07 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


15 posted on 04/01/2012 10:43:19 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Sub-Driver

Another botanist with expertise in climate science.


16 posted on 04/01/2012 10:44:22 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Sub-Driver
From Wiki, Raven was "Named a Hero for the Planet by TIME magazine".

That said, he authored (or co-authored, I forget) just about the finest botany textbook one could ever read.

That does not excuse the good Dr. Raven, however, from the anti-scientific-method pot banging and fear-mongering alarmism that is global warmism.

(In fact, it makes it worse, as he knows how science works, and knows that that Alinskyesque squashing of dissent is contrary to our basic science principles, and is really no different from faking results.)

.

17 posted on 04/01/2012 10:45:25 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Sub-Driver

Just when we were all comfortable thinking the world is round, the warmers come along demanding we all think it is flat again. Ignore them until they go away. Sounds like that is beginning to happen.


18 posted on 04/01/2012 10:47:14 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Sub-Driver

This BS starts as soon as the weather gets warmer.


19 posted on 04/01/2012 10:50:55 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Sub-Driver
Raven is possibly best known for his important work Coevolution of Insects and Plants published in the journal Evolution in 1964 which he coauthored with Paul R. Ehrlich. Since then he has authored numerous scientific and popular papers, many on the evening primrose family, Onagraceae. Raven is also an author of the widely used textbook Biology of Plants, now in its seventh edition, coauthored with Ray F. Evert and Susan E. Eichhorn (both of University of Wisconsin, Madison).

.....because a Doctor of Botany knows so much about Meteorology.

20 posted on 04/01/2012 10:57:18 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Sub-Driver
What a piece of claptrap tripe, and as an aside, the US prestige in the world has already fallen with the advent of the grovel before the world Obama.
21 posted on 04/01/2012 11:00:42 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Sub-Driver

Perhaps this “scientist” would like to debate with Professor Lindzen of MIT or with Lord Monckton. He’d be destroyed.


22 posted on 04/01/2012 11:04:46 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Sub-Driver
“...Paul R. Ehrlich...” is a butterfly population dynamics specialist whose predictions for human populations in his 1970s bestseller, “The Population Bomb” has been shown to be so spectaculalry wrong. It is amazing to me that anyone anywhere on any topic pays any attention as to what he says!
I assume he is still at Stanford, I wonder if he has published anything in his real specialty over the last 30 years since he discovered he can score cash & fame with pseudoscience?

Note to Ehrlich people are not insects! With that observation and with Ehrlich as an example of his field of study’s high intellectual standards I deserve a graduate degree in entomology!

23 posted on 04/01/2012 11:19:13 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Sub-Driver
Global Warming Denialism ‘Just Foolishness,’ Scientist Peter Raven Says

What's a Peter Raven? and who cares?

“Science can never be prescriptive. All it can do is raise issues for the world's attention. It is politics and economics that then decide what to do about them. People who argue that the science says we must do something are being disingenuous about their true motives. If those people are also scientists, then they are abusing science. This is a tremendously important point.” --- Iain Murray, National Review, December 21, 2004

24 posted on 04/01/2012 11:24:42 AM PDT by Publius6961 (ItÂ’s easy to make phony promises you canÂ’t keep. - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: Sub-Driver
What a doofus.

In all fairness, I would reject any opinions about biology and "conservationism" from a climate scientist or a Sea level researcher with decades of experience and world status.

Just saying.

"Experts" at anything deserve no respect when they attempt authoritatively to comment about any subject beyond their reservation.

25 posted on 04/01/2012 11:31:02 AM PDT by Publius6961 (ItÂ’s easy to make phony promises you canÂ’t keep. - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: keypro

I got to get me one of those!


26 posted on 04/01/2012 11:35:29 AM PDT by Publius6961 (ItÂ’s easy to make phony promises you canÂ’t keep. - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: Publius6961

I agree with you... “Scientist Peter Raven” is a botanist not a “climate scientist”, but in most cases “climate scientist” is a misnomer these days. Leftist anti-capitalist climate activist would be more accurate in most cases.


27 posted on 04/01/2012 11:42:21 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: VanDeKoik
“He also reports that the rest of the world has now “pretty well given up” on its hope for U.S. leadership in dealing with global climate change.”

Sugar Daddy has bailed?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

He say that as if it's a BAD thing.

*chuckle*

28 posted on 04/01/2012 11:43:02 AM PDT by Publius6961 (ItÂ’s easy to make phony promises you canÂ’t keep. - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: Sub-Driver
Peter Raven, co-inventor in 1964, along with biologist Paul R. Ehrlich

In his book, "The Population Bomb", Ehrlich wrote the following. "In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate".
29 posted on 04/01/2012 11:52:51 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Sub-Driver

If the past 100 years is any indication, the US has a pretty good track record of resisting global “movements” originating in Europe, and we’ve been validated every time.


30 posted on 04/01/2012 12:36:22 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Sub-Driver

It is CRIMINAL for faux Scientists to promote the lie of globull warming... just as it is Criminal for a non natural born citizen to become president.

LLS


31 posted on 04/01/2012 12:57:22 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Sub-Driver
He's just saying that to get into Kari Noorgard's pants

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32 posted on 04/01/2012 1:09:40 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Oztrich Boy

One to many trips to the bong!


33 posted on 04/01/2012 1:10:49 PM PDT by Reily
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Another botanist with expertise in climate science.

Michael Savage has a doctorate in food, so he is just as qualified and he says it's a load o' crap.

34 posted on 04/01/2012 1:23:12 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Sub-Driver
One of the world’s most widely known and respected senior scientists...

If there is any justice in the world, once a "respected" senior scientist makes such a foolish statement, he should find that he no longer deserves or commands such respect.

35 posted on 04/01/2012 2:15:26 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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Our leftist friends don’t ever seem to ever tire of reminding us of President Eisenhower’s “Military Industrial Complex” caution, but his warnings about state sponsored science in the same speech seems to have slipped their minds.

“Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”

36 posted on 04/01/2012 2:20:45 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Sub-Driver

Well Pete, who caused the Global Warming 500 years ago? Ford, GM or Conservatives? It is most likely the Sun! ooops!


37 posted on 04/01/2012 2:25:21 PM PDT by DeweyShootem
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To: Vince Ferrer
Europe has significantly cut back on green energy projects, more so than us.

Yes, but it's our fault for not providing them with leadership. Leadership is global-speak for money, of course.

38 posted on 04/01/2012 2:47:27 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Americans
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Communism


39 posted on 04/01/2012 2:53:18 PM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

That’s the thing that kills me about this stuff. Many of these so-call climate expert PhDs really have little to no training in the core physical processes involved here. I have an MSME, with a strong academic background in fluid mechanics, heat transfer (conduction, convection, and radiation), diffusion, and thermodynamics - in short, the key physical sciences at the heart of “weather”. I guarantee most of these clowns know less than I’ve forgotten in these areas.

I know enough to know that if it is “consensus”, it isn’t science. What it is, is a way to keep a check coming in. Government money has badly corrupted science, and this may be the biggest damage to our society from The Great Anthropogenic Global Warming Scam.


40 posted on 04/01/2012 3:59:23 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Lazamataz

Oh, just damn! This guy was big buddies with Paul Ehrlich? That explains much. Ehrlich is an anti-human alarmist from way back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager


41 posted on 04/01/2012 4:01:56 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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I wish the rest of the world would give up on trying to stop climate change. They don't need to be doing this crap to themselves and others.

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42 posted on 04/01/2012 4:53:37 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: FreedomPoster

Nobody’s made more money off this than algore.

The Europeans have made it another tax.

If they were really worries about warming, they cuold just put an additive in jet fuel and we’d be freezing in no time.


43 posted on 04/01/2012 6:33:09 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Seaplaner
Peter Raven, co-inventor in 1964, along with biologist Paul R. Ehrlich, of the bedrock concept of co-evolution (see footnote below), has long been a trusted adviser of American presidents, many other heads of state and government, religious leaders including popes, and countless congressional, academic and scientific leaders in the United States and around the world.

Which American Presidents?

What other "heads of state and government"?

Which religious leaders?

Which Pope?

Countless congressional (oxymoron)?

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the "academic...leaders" around the world. But standing in a crowd of 30K people to see the pope doesn't constitute advisement. Attending a fund raiser for Hillary Clinton doesn't make him a "presidential advisor."

I've never heard of him and he sounds dillusional.

44 posted on 04/02/2012 10:58:14 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: fireman15
...but in most cases “climate scientist” is a misnomer these days.

Very true. I'm an engineer today. But if I were to get an interview on MSNBC and preach about how CO2 was killing mother earth, they would change my title to Climate Scientist, give me an honorary PHD from Stanford, have me sign an IPCC document and hand me a check for $5,000 and maybe even call me Reverand....."Reverand Tenacious1, PHD"... Hmmm.

Now that I think about it, I hope I didn't completely miss the boat on this one.

45 posted on 04/02/2012 11:07:23 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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