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The race is on for the Humvee's successor
DVICE ^ | March 30, 2012 | Eileen Marable

Posted on 04/01/2012 1:06:16 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

The race is on for the Humvee's successor

HMMWV M1114 UAH (Up-Armored Humvee) Pictures, Images and Photos (Bye, bye Hummer)

Your Mom may still love driving a Humvee to the mall, but the military has different needs for its combat operations these days. Some 20 years after the Humvee first rolled out, the military is now entering the second phase of the project to choose its successor.

The Joint Light Tactical Vehicle (JLTV) program will be reviewing the proposals for a new vehicle, and has a pretty specific list of what it's looking for. Manufacturers getting in the game need to submit prototype designs for a seven to 10-ton truck — something that will provide adequate protection but is lighter than a fully armored vehicle.

The Humvee was designed as a general do-it-all carrier for a frontlines of warfare — much like the old standard Jeep. It was big, but it was light and was engineered to travel on varying terrain. But, as combat changed from battlefields to urban settings all over the globe, a flaw was exposed.

The Humvee had virtually no armor to protect troops inside when on start-stop type missions. When the vehicle needed to hold a location, it was extremely vulnerable.

The military compensated by adding armor and bringing on Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) carriers. But this was also an imperfect solution. While the Humvee was nimble and could be dropped into location, these armored vehicles could not.

New combat needs are clear — a vehicle has to be secure enough to protect against explosions and ambush but light and tactical enough to go anywhere and maneuver in tight situations. After 20 years, advances in technology, design and battlefield knowledge are expected to yield a better-suited model.

Two companies are already lining up to take on the challenge.

BAE Systems' prototype resembles a shrunken tank. Clearly more armored than a Humvee, it also has a V-shaped hull to provide greater protection against mines and IEDs.

The entry from Navistar is a modification on its International Saratoga light tactical vehicle, which was launched last October. Outwardly it appears to more closely resemble the Humvee, and Navistar is touting its flexibility and ability to integrate with existing vehicles.

So, the military will have a few different options to choose from as the second stage of its search — known as the Engineering and Manufacturing Development phase — kicks off.

Manufacturers will be delivering 22 prototypes — none as wild as DARPA's flying Humvee, so far — for the Army and Marine Corps to put to the test. Three contracts for a new Joint Light Tactical Vehicle will be awarded in June.

No word on whether the Humvee will continue to churn out vehicles for civilians, but we're betting once the new military successor is crowned, someone will want one for carpool duty.

With or without armor.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: army; hummer; humvee; jeep; jltv; military; usmc; weaponsofwar
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Joint Light Tactical Vehicle (JLTV), USA Pictures, Images and Photos

Joint Light Tactical Vehicle (JLTV), USA Pictures, Images and Photos The BAE Systems prototype design to replace the Humvee.

1 posted on 04/01/2012 1:06:25 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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2 posted on 04/01/2012 1:07:38 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

Guys always appreciate a good hummer.


3 posted on 04/01/2012 1:12:51 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1167 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: null and void

I’m sure if obumber has his way, they will pick a down-armored chevy volt.


4 posted on 04/01/2012 1:18:41 PM PDT by JoSixChip (santorum is Mr Rogers without a spine. Check his record, not his rhetoric.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Guess we’d better hope we never go to war where there are trees & forests...


5 posted on 04/01/2012 1:19:40 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: DogByte6RER

The DoD’s new rules for the next vehicle includes being gay and Muslim friendly with separate bathrooms for women...


6 posted on 04/01/2012 1:20:46 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: DogByte6RER

Is that a Pontiac Aztec? So, GM didn’t kill of Pontiac after all!

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1658545_1658544_1658540,00.html


7 posted on 04/01/2012 1:21:18 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: DogByte6RER

What is a flying humvee??


8 posted on 04/01/2012 1:23:07 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: DogByte6RER; Constitution Day

I teh phunny.

9 posted on 04/01/2012 1:23:15 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Impala64ssa
Motorhead, Collector Car Junkie, Speed Freak, Automotive Related Ping List.

Freepmail "Lazlo in PA" to be added or removed.

10 posted on 04/01/2012 1:24:15 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Pic from covert White House testing of the prototype:


11 posted on 04/01/2012 1:24:30 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: whitedog57

Is one of the options a militarized Honda Element? or a Nissan Leaf?


12 posted on 04/01/2012 1:24:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: JoSixChip

A guy would prefer a hummer...


13 posted on 04/01/2012 1:25:02 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1167 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Mr Rogers

I have never been that impressed with the Humvee.
It’s simple to wide for mountain trails.


14 posted on 04/01/2012 1:26:30 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Mr Rogers

That is why we have Daisy Cutters.


15 posted on 04/01/2012 1:27:24 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Will it really be able to light your joints?


16 posted on 04/01/2012 1:29:59 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: archy; Tailback

Ping for your input.

I fully expect the procurement wizards to pick the absolute worst vehicle possible.


17 posted on 04/01/2012 1:34:15 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: DogByte6RER


18 posted on 04/01/2012 1:52:05 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: GeronL
What is a flying humvee??

I was telling my son about flying cars.

He said, "aren't all airplanes just flying cars?"

19 posted on 04/01/2012 1:54:58 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: GeronL
What is a flying humvee?

Dumb.


20 posted on 04/01/2012 2:00:08 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: UCANSEE2; Lazamataz

Oh... well that is cool.

heh


21 posted on 04/01/2012 2:02:36 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: UCANSEE2

Tell him no, some of the big ones are actually flying buses, others are flying trucks, bombers are flying dump trucks.


22 posted on 04/01/2012 2:05:04 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: DogByte6RER
I know! Let's buy some ugly piece of crap made in China! And let's make it prohibitively expensive, an utter failure for its mission, and full of technological gee-wizardry that breaks down before the first shot is fired!

That'll show our enemies.

23 posted on 04/01/2012 2:15:30 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: DogByte6RER
The way things are going in our country, maybe this will be the replacement. red green makes a hummer
24 posted on 04/01/2012 2:19:04 PM PDT by dznutz
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To: DogByte6RER

The number one question that needs to be asked is where, and under what circumstances is this new vehicle expected to be used?

The second question is even trickier, and takes some explanation. Who is going to be using this new vehicle?

This is, because it has become too expensive to use our top of the line military for cheesy little bush wars, peacekeeping missions, guard duty and other such nonsense in every little rat hole in the world.

America needs to create the equivalent of an offshore French Foreign Legion, a private company, but led by US officers, to do the piddling stuff for a fraction of the price. Strictly for low intensity, extended and international mission operations, costing tens of millions instead of tens or hundreds of billions of dollars.

All their transport and logistics would be provided by the US military, but these contractors would be the ones sitting in some African pestilence for a dozen years, not our soldiers.

Europe did something like this for over a thousand years, hiring mercenary companies to handle their disputes, with the understanding that they would not abuse the local civilians on either side.

By being offshore, there would be no limitation to who such a company could hire, though most would not be US citizens. And, as private contractors working for a private company, though under US auspices, they would not have to obey nonsense and anti-military directives from Washington. If told to do so, they could just quit. Part of their contract.

For the most part, the Pentagon would be very happy with this arrangement, because it would permit them to keep the US military in good condition for the stuff they need to do, not worn down and degraded by doing piddly stuff.


25 posted on 04/01/2012 2:24:16 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!")
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To: DogByte6RER
No word on whether the Humvee will continue to churn out vehicles for civilians...

Wow, Eileen Marable comes across as completely clueless with that statement. Does she understand the difference between a Humvee and a Hummer H1 and a Hummer H2 or H3? It sure doesn't sound like it. The last civilian version of the Hummer H1 came off the assembly lines years ago. The H2 and H3 have nothing in common with the H1 other than the Hummer name, and they certainly have nothing in common with the Humvee.

26 posted on 04/01/2012 2:29:05 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

My number one question is where can I go buy a military surplus Humvee! I suppose the rules will be such that won’t happen. A guy I know has an old WWII surplus Willies that is GREAT for field work in the mud, etc. (Chilly though with no windows!)


27 posted on 04/01/2012 2:35:04 PM PDT by 21twelve
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I vote Warthog.
28 posted on 04/01/2012 2:43:20 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Gee, I survived the cold war in one of these:

Now , they're looking for something that weighs 7-10 tons? Heck- go back to these:

At times, I think the military can't live without their much vaunted uparmored anything. If you carry moire armor, the bad guys simply build a bigger IED to knock it out.

29 posted on 04/01/2012 2:47:27 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: DogByte6RER

I bet what ever they choose, it will be made by government motors and is a POS. These libs hate the military and could care less about survivability.


30 posted on 04/01/2012 2:47:55 PM PDT by JoSixChip (santorum is Mr Rogers without a spine. Check his record, not his rhetoric.)
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To: UCANSEE2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDoRmT0iRic&feature=related


31 posted on 04/01/2012 3:07:47 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: wally_bert

THAT was cool!


32 posted on 04/01/2012 3:22:16 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: null and void

In the AF we used to call them “air starts.”


33 posted on 04/01/2012 3:34:52 PM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: IronJack

I’ve been considering when looking at military hardware that the enemy may well be us. Think those 450 million .40 cal HPs and the 175 million .223 rounds are for border patrol....


34 posted on 04/01/2012 4:12:14 PM PDT by mcshot (Friends of A. Breitbart concerned by removal of US flags near the Presidential podium.)
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To: Sarajevo

Why not a vehicle with a modular armour kit so that you can operate with little to no armour when it is not needed and attach the armour when it is needed? That, or go with two vehicles: one that is used for areas/missions that do not require armour out the wazoo and another vehicle that is armoured.


35 posted on 04/01/2012 4:22:54 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: RandallFlagg

It’s a good towncar.


36 posted on 04/01/2012 4:27:04 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: DogByte6RER
Been there, did that: The USMC MEU's drive a modified version of the Mercedes-Benz Geländewagen 290, diesel 4x4. The hummer is too wide, too slow, not agile enough. SEALS drive them too, great rig. In Fallujah, the most survivable rig was the John Deere Gator for its speed and agility. Let's hope the contract engineers have a design criteria called: Boogie Index.
37 posted on 04/01/2012 4:32:04 PM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: mcshot
I’ve been considering when looking at military hardware that the enemy may well be us.

I've been wondering the same thing.

38 posted on 04/01/2012 4:55:04 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: UCANSEE2

MRAP variants, not JLTV.


39 posted on 04/01/2012 5:18:34 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: DogByte6RER

Yeah, but can it “jump like a Willys in four wheel drive”?


40 posted on 04/01/2012 5:19:29 PM PDT by Daniel II (Really??????)
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To: Army Air Corps
Why not a vehicle with a modular armour kit so that you can operate with little to no armour when it is not needed and attach the armour when it is needed?

That M113 series vehicles were perfect for that. It is the ultimate modifiable chassis, and it will handle the extra weight.

41 posted on 04/01/2012 5:28:17 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: gandalftb
In Fallujah, the most survivable rig was the John Deere Gator for its speed and agility.

I loved those things, but all I got was a Kawasaki Mule. It didn't have the 6-wheel cool factor.

42 posted on 04/01/2012 5:32:42 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: gandalftb

I want one. I also would like to have a pinzgauer.


43 posted on 04/01/2012 6:14:28 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Sarajevo

The M113 has had a number of customers. IIRC, Aussies have used them as have the Israelis.


44 posted on 04/01/2012 6:18:11 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: DogByte6RER
They should clone Pepe:


45 posted on 04/01/2012 7:10:29 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: 21twelve
“My number one question is where can I go buy a military surplus Humvee! I suppose the rules will be such that won’t happen...”

Humvees along with trucks, trailers, etc. have been and are available as military surplus. Usually, it is a flat rate purchase and not an auction. An acquaintance of mine has been buying surplus Humvees for years to rebuild then flip for a profit.

From his description, most Humvees are driven until they are junk then are sent to a central depot (Maine or New England I think he said) where they are stripped with the used parts used to rebuild other junkers back to standard or forwarded into the military logistics supply. Bottom line is that Humvees released for surplus sale right now are usually in pretty sad shape and take quite a few $$$ to get functional.

46 posted on 04/01/2012 7:23:25 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Jerry Pournelle has been saying similar things since 9/11. He makes a strong distinction between the Legions, and what they ought and ought not to be doing, and the Auxiliaries that we don’t have.

The Legions were needed to take down Saddam, if it really needed to be done. They should not have been used for occupation of Iraq. Auxiliaries should have been used for that, with a small contingent of Legionnaires kept nearby, but not participating in the occupation efforts, to keep the Auxiliaries honest.


47 posted on 04/01/2012 7:29:54 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Army Air Corps

About a dozen years ago there was a group on an FAL forum I was on that was working on a group buy for some milsurp Pinzgauers. Not sure if it ever went anywhere, but they sure were neat vehicles for off road / in the woods.


48 posted on 04/01/2012 7:34:29 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Hootowl99; 21twelve

Here is a surplus government website to get you started:

http://www.govliquidation.com/vehicles.html


49 posted on 04/01/2012 7:34:37 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
If the bastard is re-elected then look for something like this.


50 posted on 04/01/2012 7:39:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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