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Screaming On 911 Tape NOT Zimmerman, Experts [Gee, Are These Guys NBC Employees, Too?]
care2.com ^ | 4/1/12 | Paul Canning

Posted on 04/02/2012 3:18:46 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Audio experts hired by the Orlando Sentinel have determined that the person screaming for help on a 911 call is not George Zimmerman.

A woman called 911 to report screaming outside her house. In the background of her call can be heard the panicked cries and the gunshot that took Trayvon Martin’s life...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bias; race; trayvonmartin
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... Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion.

Owen said:

“You can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it’s not Zimmerman.”

He got the screams, put those together, and cut out everything else. Software then compared that audio to Zimmerman’s voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he’d expect higher than 90 percent.

1 posted on 04/02/2012 3:18:54 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Smells like NBC to me.


2 posted on 04/02/2012 3:21:17 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don’t think it makes any difference


3 posted on 04/02/2012 3:22:23 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I hate to suggest it....but the screams might have come from an apartment....and not the fight between the two guys.

But if you notice....he only comments that he doesn’t think it’s the Latino guy. He doesn’t say it’s the kid.


4 posted on 04/02/2012 3:23:02 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: SoFloFreeper

So basically this leftist audio expert says it is a 50/50 chance the screaming is Zimmerman.

Why did you even post this here?


5 posted on 04/02/2012 3:32:16 AM PDT by dewawi
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To: pepsionice

I suggested on another thread yesterday that at some point both men screamed. What they have on audio is not the entire altercation.


6 posted on 04/02/2012 3:33:33 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

OK lets compare his voice to the one where he’s calmly talking on the phone to the one where he’s getting his head beat on the concrete and his face punched in. Ya think there might be a problem with that? Hell they ought to here my voice change when I step on a hairball barefooted! Pinch his snutz with a pair of pliers and they might come up with a better comparison.


7 posted on 04/02/2012 3:35:25 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: SoFloFreeper

Go to the ABRE website http://www.abreboard.us/ and find:

* Owen’s daughter is on the board.
* These guys think a BA (bachelor of the arts, i.e. a 4-year degree) is a big deal worth putting the initials after your name as if you are really cool by having one.
* “The American Board of Recorded Evidence (ABRE) is an Advisory Board under the American College of Forensic Examiners (ACFEI).”
* The copyright of the site lists ABRE, ACFEI and a “Dr. Robert O’Block” as owners.

Go to the ACFEI site that is helpfully linked and it amounts to a for-profit place that sells “certifications” and titles like “Fellow” and “Diplomate”.
http://www.acfei.com/diplomate_fellow/

Next, go to the Dr. O’Block’s site, also helpfully linked, and the real laughs begin:

An international publisher and prime mover in forensics, psychotherapy, homeland security, and integrative medicine, Dr. Robert O’Block laid the foundations for open, comprehensive, and educational associations for professionals in forensics, integrative medicine, criminology, investigation, psychology, and spiritual psychotherapy. Dr. O’Block, a pioneering academic, founded the American Board for Certification in Homeland Security, the American Association of Integrative Medicine, the American College of Forensic Examiners International, the American Psychotherapy Association, and The Society for The Cure of Souls.

http://www.droblock.com/

Just LOL!

My take is that this Owen guy is full of self-made “certifications” that sound good to a dumb jury.


8 posted on 04/02/2012 3:35:25 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SoFloFreeper
This is the President of the company that posted that report. Does she look like anything other than a liberal? http://owenforensicservices.com/about.html
9 posted on 04/02/2012 3:36:19 AM PDT by dewawi
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To: SoFloFreeper
Probable outcome:


10 posted on 04/02/2012 3:37:27 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: SoFloFreeper
OK OK OK
I have had enough of this crap.
I live in Seminole county not far from Sanford.
I plan to go to my local hardware store and buy me a strong rope. I then will get with the New/Old panthers and we will locate Mr. Zimmerman. We will then hang him from a tall oak in downtown Sanford.
This should put an end to this.
The experts with the tapes convinced me the White/Cracker/Spanish guy is guilty as hell and we don't need a trial it would be a waste of money and we are out of money.
The reason I am not going to home depot or Lowes is I want expert advice on the rope.
11 posted on 04/02/2012 3:37:33 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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My “screaming for my life” voice is slightly different from my “answering the phone” voice. I’d say about 52% different.


12 posted on 04/02/2012 3:38:25 AM PDT by Casie
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To: Casie

You should here my step on a hairball voice, not qwite as high as my stepped in cat yack barefooted voice,


13 posted on 04/02/2012 3:40:42 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Voter#537

Any Freepers that want to help, meet me at the Sanford Ace hardware at 10 sharp today.


14 posted on 04/02/2012 3:42:05 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Smells like NBC to me”

You would be right. From their “about us” web page for this audio “expert”:

(Senior) Mr. Owen has appeared as a Consultant to ABC Nightline, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX 5 NY, NPR Radio, NOVA, Taipei, Chinese Television, Dateline, 60 Minutes, Law & Order, Forensic Files, CSI, CSI Miami, Lie to Me, Access Hollywood, 48 Hours, 20/20 and other Networks and Television Programs.


15 posted on 04/02/2012 3:43:21 AM PDT by dewawi
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To: pepsionice
But if you notice....he only comments that he doesn’t think it’s the Latino guy. He doesn’t say it’s the kid.

Of course not. He doesn't have a voice comparison for the kid. So there is no way he can say it was the kid.

16 posted on 04/02/2012 3:44:40 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Dusty Road
-- OK lets compare his voice to the one where he's calmly talking on the phone to the one where he's getting his head beat on the concrete and his face punched in. Ya think there might be a problem with that? --

The expert's standards for sample size and content aren't met. By his own standard, he can't render an opinion one way or the other. So what's he do? He renders an opinion.

This expert would not be allowed to give this opinion in court. His opinion, by his own admission, is unreliable. And so the trier of fact will turn to other evidence to figure out which of the two men was at physical disadvantage in the fight. I'd say the injuries to Zimmerman make that factual finding a fairly straightforward one.

Rule 702. Testimony by Experts

If scientific, technical, or other specialized knowledge will assist the trier of fact to understand the evidence or to determine a fact in issue, a witness qualified as an expert by knowledge, skill, experience, training, or education, may testify thereto in the form of an opinion or otherwise, if (1) the testimony is based upon sufficient facts or data, (2) the testimony is the product of reliable principles and methods, and (3) the witness has applied the principles and methods reliably to the facts of the case.


17 posted on 04/02/2012 3:45:27 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Voter#537
"we don't need a trial it would be a waste of money and we are out of money."

We here in central Florida wasted entirely too much money on Casey Anthony.
It was obvious that space aliens killed her little girl and tried to blame it on her. Luckily we got a jury of bright scholars that saw the truth. . . .

18 posted on 04/02/2012 3:45:39 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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To: SoFloFreeper
They got experts just like CBS got experts to authenticate Dan Rather's fraudulent George Bush National Guard Memo.

At the very beginning, was it not the Orlando Sun that chose to pair the angelic child photo of Martin with the old arraignment mug of Zimmerman so that image would be propagated by the entire lockstep leftwing media - to brainwash the public with the party line on good and evil?

19 posted on 04/02/2012 3:48:33 AM PDT by drpix
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To: drpix
"Orlando Sun"

It is the Orlando Sentinel.
They probably are the ones. I don't read their paper and I don't have a bird cage so I have no need of their trash.
They are so left wing the will only hire left handed people.

20 posted on 04/02/2012 3:53:08 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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To: drpix
CORRRECTION:

"Orlando Sun" = "Orlando Sentinel"

21 posted on 04/02/2012 3:57:44 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Voter#537
"Any Freepers that want to help, meet me at the Sanford Ace hardware at 10 sharp today."

I will be driving a cracker F-150 Red 1969 Truck with a gun rack. No ear rings, The truck still has a "Wallace" bumper sticker. . . . The Ford labels have been taken off cause I hate FORD.

22 posted on 04/02/2012 3:58:17 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Audio experts hired by the Orlando Sentinel have determined

For past reporting "accuracies" the paper has earned the alternative name "Orlando Slantenel"......

23 posted on 04/02/2012 4:03:59 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Voter#537; SoFloFreeper; All
Just found the link.

It was the Orlando Sentinel that at the very beginning slanted the story by pairing the angelic child photo of Martin with the old arraignment mug of Zimmerman.

Here's the video (on their website) of their Photo Editor, Tom Burton, now making lame excuses for the propaganda ploy:

"Behind the photos of the Trayvon Martin case"

24 posted on 04/02/2012 4:07:45 AM PDT by drpix
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To: drpix
"Just found the link. It was the Orlando Sentinel"

I don't doubt anything they do. They are almost (like all newspapers) broke. Very few buy their trash.

25 posted on 04/02/2012 4:11:36 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Wonder when the MSM will start referring to Zimmerman as a white Hispanicracker?


26 posted on 04/02/2012 4:12:34 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: tbpiper
"Orlando Slantenel"......

It fits them to a "T".

27 posted on 04/02/2012 4:17:02 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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To: SoFloFreeper

There are two independent eyewitnesses.


28 posted on 04/02/2012 4:24:38 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Accepting for a moment that the data is correct, the problem they have is that considering the different emotional states, and other dynamics, between the two samples, a 48% match is not indicative of dissimilarity, and I’m sure they know that.


29 posted on 04/02/2012 4:24:46 AM PDT by csense
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
"There are two independent eyewitnesses."

I saw them both at hooters yesterday. They were drunk. Sharpton picked up their tab and they all left with the best looking hooter girl there.

30 posted on 04/02/2012 4:29:53 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This website (care2.com) is a lefty enviro-weenie social-prog website. I would not trust them to tell me the time of day.


31 posted on 04/02/2012 4:34:53 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: dewawi

“It’s a man, baby!”

Sorry for the morning pun.


32 posted on 04/02/2012 4:40:08 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kaffir!)
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To: pepsionice
but the screams might have come from an apartment....

My thoughts were that they were little kids yelling in the background of the lady who was calling 911.....

33 posted on 04/02/2012 4:40:15 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: csense
And that's probably why they didn't have a control sample(s), or if they did, didn't furnish it. It would have shown the values for dissimilarity, which would have been much lower than 48%.

Notice that they tell you the needed value for similarity under ideal conditions, but they never tell you the needed values for dissimilarity.

This is pure spin, and if I had an appropriate degree and the medium to dliver it. I would publicly humiliate these hacks in no uncertain terms.

Again, they lie to further an agenda.

34 posted on 04/02/2012 4:40:39 AM PDT by csense
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To: csense
The locals call it the Orlando Slantinal
35 posted on 04/02/2012 4:46:11 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Indeed NBC’s idea of expert is someone who has seen something done once.


36 posted on 04/02/2012 4:48:48 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SoFloFreeper

How could it not be Zimmerman’s scream? He’s the one with the cuts and bruises. They found nothing on the other guy except a bullet hole. Sounds like justice to me! It’s been my life experience that people scream when being beaten; never when being shot (crying maybe).


37 posted on 04/02/2012 5:08:23 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: SoFloFreeper

There could also be screaming/yelling/crying from others on the various calls, including children of the callers. Unless that possibility was ruled out or accounted for the voice analysis is suspect.


38 posted on 04/02/2012 5:12:16 AM PDT by ironman
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To: Dusty Road
That's what they did!

The Orlando Sentinel, who hired the guys, has an audio of the extracted screams vs. Zimmerman's 911 call on there web site.

39 posted on 04/02/2012 5:14:39 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: pepsionice

Then why did the screaming stop after the gun shot was heard?


40 posted on 04/02/2012 5:19:21 AM PDT by Yogafist
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To: Dusty Road

“Pinch his snutz with a pair of pliers...”

OUCH! That’d make a helluva noise! You bad.


41 posted on 04/02/2012 5:20:26 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: dewawi

He’s also a court-qualified expert witness who has a long history of working with the FBI and other federal agencies, police departments, private detectives, prosecutors, defense attorneys, and news organizations.

In 1981 the New York Police Department asked him to help decipher a surveillance tape involving the Weather Underground. More recently confirmed the identity of Osama bin Laden on communiques from the terrorist.


42 posted on 04/02/2012 5:25:09 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: SoFloFreeper

Since the funeral director guy for Trayvon just came out and said there were no marks on the body....why would he be screaming and whimpering like he was being beaten?

Zimmerman has the wounds, two witnesses have him on the ground being beaten by Trayvon (1 later changed his story to say he was not sure who was on bottom)... but Trayvon did the screaming for help?


43 posted on 04/02/2012 5:34:04 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Tax codes and spending don't get 14 year olds pregnant and on welfare. Morality Matters.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I'm not sure any of the crap that's going around would stand up in court. It's just more fuel on the flames of racial hate, just pushing us closer to burning cities and dead people.

The press, for the most part, is going to be at fault for much of what is likely coming.

44 posted on 04/02/2012 5:38:50 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SoFloFreeper

A magic computer program working on an extremely poor quality audio file only had a 48% match with Zimmerman, but we don’t know what kind of match with Martin because there is no reference sample, so therefore it can’t be Zimmerman’s voice and must be Martin’s voice.

Magic computer programs are also the only evidence for Global Warming/Climate Change or whatever else they are calling it these days.

Those magic computer programs sure are handy.


45 posted on 04/02/2012 5:41:18 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Martin’s father told detectives that it wasn’t his son on the recording that was played for him. It must be awful to listen if a loved one screams on a tape. So sometime after that the family changed their mind, anyone know when this happened? Did Martin’s dad address changing his mind?

Freegards


46 posted on 04/02/2012 5:41:57 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

It is quite possible that Trayvon’s Dad changed his mind after the experts said that it was most likely Trayvon screaming. The Dad may have been tipped on the “experts” opinion before the public was “informed” of the results.


47 posted on 04/02/2012 5:46:03 AM PDT by dforest
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To: SoFloFreeper

The hollering was from the woman caller’s little kid, Jeremy. Both were inside their apartment. You won’t hear that from the msm because that doesn’t fit their agenda.


48 posted on 04/02/2012 5:51:14 AM PDT by bgill
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To: SoFloFreeper

Feh. They quote a witness who says she heard but did not see, who believes the calls for help were Martin.

There are witnesses who both saw and heard who said Zimmerman was calling for help.

I believe Martin gave a death scream - but the calls for help were almost certainly Zimmerman.


49 posted on 04/02/2012 5:52:52 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: dforest

That is possible I guess, although it seems like it would be pretty shoddy detective work to lead anyone on like that before the tape is played. Is that what Martin’s father says happened? I googled around the other day and it seems now the family does think it is him, but I wondered if anyone has addressed telling the lead detective that it wasn’t him, at first.

Like I said, listening to a tape of the death of a loved one for screams must truly be one of the worst things to have to do ever. I’m not even saying it is unreasonable to change ones mind about it, I am just wondering if the family addressed the change or what.

Freegards


50 posted on 04/02/2012 5:55:10 AM PDT by Ransomed
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