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Screaming On 911 Tape NOT Zimmerman, Experts [Gee, Are These Guys NBC Employees, Too?]
care2.com ^ | 4/1/12 | Paul Canning

Posted on 04/02/2012 3:18:46 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Audio experts hired by the Orlando Sentinel have determined that the person screaming for help on a 911 call is not George Zimmerman.

A woman called 911 to report screaming outside her house. In the background of her call can be heard the panicked cries and the gunshot that took Trayvon Martin’s life...

(Excerpt) Read more at care2.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bias; race; trayvonmartin
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... Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion.

Owen said:

“You can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it’s not Zimmerman.”

He got the screams, put those together, and cut out everything else. Software then compared that audio to Zimmerman’s voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he’d expect higher than 90 percent.

1 posted on 04/02/2012 3:18:54 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Smells like NBC to me.


2 posted on 04/02/2012 3:21:17 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don’t think it makes any difference


3 posted on 04/02/2012 3:22:23 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I hate to suggest it....but the screams might have come from an apartment....and not the fight between the two guys.

But if you notice....he only comments that he doesn’t think it’s the Latino guy. He doesn’t say it’s the kid.


4 posted on 04/02/2012 3:23:02 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: SoFloFreeper

So basically this leftist audio expert says it is a 50/50 chance the screaming is Zimmerman.

Why did you even post this here?


5 posted on 04/02/2012 3:32:16 AM PDT by dewawi
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To: pepsionice

I suggested on another thread yesterday that at some point both men screamed. What they have on audio is not the entire altercation.


6 posted on 04/02/2012 3:33:33 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

OK lets compare his voice to the one where he’s calmly talking on the phone to the one where he’s getting his head beat on the concrete and his face punched in. Ya think there might be a problem with that? Hell they ought to here my voice change when I step on a hairball barefooted! Pinch his snutz with a pair of pliers and they might come up with a better comparison.


7 posted on 04/02/2012 3:35:25 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: SoFloFreeper

Go to the ABRE website http://www.abreboard.us/ and find:

* Owen’s daughter is on the board.
* These guys think a BA (bachelor of the arts, i.e. a 4-year degree) is a big deal worth putting the initials after your name as if you are really cool by having one.
* “The American Board of Recorded Evidence (ABRE) is an Advisory Board under the American College of Forensic Examiners (ACFEI).”
* The copyright of the site lists ABRE, ACFEI and a “Dr. Robert O’Block” as owners.

Go to the ACFEI site that is helpfully linked and it amounts to a for-profit place that sells “certifications” and titles like “Fellow” and “Diplomate”.
http://www.acfei.com/diplomate_fellow/

Next, go to the Dr. O’Block’s site, also helpfully linked, and the real laughs begin:

An international publisher and prime mover in forensics, psychotherapy, homeland security, and integrative medicine, Dr. Robert O’Block laid the foundations for open, comprehensive, and educational associations for professionals in forensics, integrative medicine, criminology, investigation, psychology, and spiritual psychotherapy. Dr. O’Block, a pioneering academic, founded the American Board for Certification in Homeland Security, the American Association of Integrative Medicine, the American College of Forensic Examiners International, the American Psychotherapy Association, and The Society for The Cure of Souls.

http://www.droblock.com/

Just LOL!

My take is that this Owen guy is full of self-made “certifications” that sound good to a dumb jury.


8 posted on 04/02/2012 3:35:25 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SoFloFreeper
This is the President of the company that posted that report. Does she look like anything other than a liberal? http://owenforensicservices.com/about.html
9 posted on 04/02/2012 3:36:19 AM PDT by dewawi
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To: SoFloFreeper
Probable outcome:


10 posted on 04/02/2012 3:37:27 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: SoFloFreeper
OK OK OK
I have had enough of this crap.
I live in Seminole county not far from Sanford.
I plan to go to my local hardware store and buy me a strong rope. I then will get with the New/Old panthers and we will locate Mr. Zimmerman. We will then hang him from a tall oak in downtown Sanford.
This should put an end to this.
The experts with the tapes convinced me the White/Cracker/Spanish guy is guilty as hell and we don't need a trial it would be a waste of money and we are out of money.
The reason I am not going to home depot or Lowes is I want expert advice on the rope.
11 posted on 04/02/2012 3:37:33 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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My “screaming for my life” voice is slightly different from my “answering the phone” voice. I’d say about 52% different.


12 posted on 04/02/2012 3:38:25 AM PDT by Casie
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To: Casie

You should here my step on a hairball voice, not qwite as high as my stepped in cat yack barefooted voice,


13 posted on 04/02/2012 3:40:42 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Voter#537

Any Freepers that want to help, meet me at the Sanford Ace hardware at 10 sharp today.


14 posted on 04/02/2012 3:42:05 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Smells like NBC to me”

You would be right. From their “about us” web page for this audio “expert”:

(Senior) Mr. Owen has appeared as a Consultant to ABC Nightline, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX 5 NY, NPR Radio, NOVA, Taipei, Chinese Television, Dateline, 60 Minutes, Law & Order, Forensic Files, CSI, CSI Miami, Lie to Me, Access Hollywood, 48 Hours, 20/20 and other Networks and Television Programs.


15 posted on 04/02/2012 3:43:21 AM PDT by dewawi
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To: pepsionice
But if you notice....he only comments that he doesn’t think it’s the Latino guy. He doesn’t say it’s the kid.

Of course not. He doesn't have a voice comparison for the kid. So there is no way he can say it was the kid.

16 posted on 04/02/2012 3:44:40 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Dusty Road
-- OK lets compare his voice to the one where he's calmly talking on the phone to the one where he's getting his head beat on the concrete and his face punched in. Ya think there might be a problem with that? --

The expert's standards for sample size and content aren't met. By his own standard, he can't render an opinion one way or the other. So what's he do? He renders an opinion.

This expert would not be allowed to give this opinion in court. His opinion, by his own admission, is unreliable. And so the trier of fact will turn to other evidence to figure out which of the two men was at physical disadvantage in the fight. I'd say the injuries to Zimmerman make that factual finding a fairly straightforward one.

Rule 702. Testimony by Experts

If scientific, technical, or other specialized knowledge will assist the trier of fact to understand the evidence or to determine a fact in issue, a witness qualified as an expert by knowledge, skill, experience, training, or education, may testify thereto in the form of an opinion or otherwise, if (1) the testimony is based upon sufficient facts or data, (2) the testimony is the product of reliable principles and methods, and (3) the witness has applied the principles and methods reliably to the facts of the case.


17 posted on 04/02/2012 3:45:27 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Voter#537
"we don't need a trial it would be a waste of money and we are out of money."

We here in central Florida wasted entirely too much money on Casey Anthony.
It was obvious that space aliens killed her little girl and tried to blame it on her. Luckily we got a jury of bright scholars that saw the truth. . . .

18 posted on 04/02/2012 3:45:39 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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To: SoFloFreeper
They got experts just like CBS got experts to authenticate Dan Rather's fraudulent George Bush National Guard Memo.

At the very beginning, was it not the Orlando Sun that chose to pair the angelic child photo of Martin with the old arraignment mug of Zimmerman so that image would be propagated by the entire lockstep leftwing media - to brainwash the public with the party line on good and evil?

19 posted on 04/02/2012 3:48:33 AM PDT by drpix
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To: drpix
"Orlando Sun"

It is the Orlando Sentinel.
They probably are the ones. I don't read their paper and I don't have a bird cage so I have no need of their trash.
They are so left wing the will only hire left handed people.

20 posted on 04/02/2012 3:53:08 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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