Skip to comments.Romney faces question about mormon faith
Posted on 04/02/2012 12:09:06 PM PDT by katiedidit1
GREEN BAY, Wis. - Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney faced a tough question about his Mormon faith while campaigning for Tuesday's Wisconsin primary.
A Ron Paul supporter asked Romney whether he agreed with a passage from the Book of Mormon that describes a cursing of people with a "skin of blackness." Romney's staff took the microphone away from the 28-year-old Green Bay man before he could read the passage.
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Just wait until Obama's flying monkeys are finished with him...
This is the very reason Joseph Smith supposedly started Mormonism. According to him, he was met by Jesus and Elohim in the woods and asked them what religion he should join, and they told him none of them, that all Christian religions were corrupt. And to start a new one.
Romney has to believe that as it’s the very reason why Mormonism exists and claims to be the only true religion, restored. Otherwise they can’t claim to be any better or worse.
Now some may say that’s no different than Christianity but I will state clearly ALL other religions, Mormonism included, are different fundamentally from Chrisianity. There really are only two religions in the world, Christianity, and the rest. All the other religions of the world require a person to earn salvation. Only Christianity has a Savior that has earned salvation for you and everyone else, because only He could live a perfect life required by God, to keep all God’s laws, and therefore be perfect and be able to gain Heaven. He gave that life that did not require God to punish it for breaking God’s law, up for sacrifice so that those who would believe in Him could be imputed His perfectness, and therefore be able to stand before God because of what Christ did, not because of anything they did.
Every other religion people “earn” their salvation. None are certain they ever “earn” heaven. They never truly know if they have done enough. They say they hope they have. That is NOT the CERTAIN hope Christians have, because they KNOW Jesus is who He says He is and did what He said He did, because HE AROSE FROM THE GRAVE! He has the power to set His life down, and take it up again. We have certain hope because we know what Jesus did. The apostles did not even know this after Jesus died. They ran away and holed up in a locked chamber room not knowing what was going to happen next, thinking they may be the next people put up on crosses. Jesus appeared to them in that locked room and showed them His wounds. What turns a bunch of scared men into those not afraid to die for their faith in a man that was crucified but they now believe is living? NOT A LIE. BELIEF that it happened. They had 40 days with him after His resurrection. They cite over 500 eyewitnesses alive during the writing of the New Testament books (letters and accounts) that knew Jesus and saw Him alive during these 40 days. People do not martyr themselves for a lie. They will die for the truth though.
The bottom line is you can be in any other religion in the world and try to earn your way into heaven, which you cannot. You cannot make an imperfect, sinful life, perfect and holy, on your own. Breaking a perfect, infinite God’s laws requires an infinite penalty (eternal separation from God). The only way that debt is paid is either YOU pay it, spending eternity separated from God, or you receive the free gift God, who is perfect but also loving, has provided in His Son’s innocent suffering and death FOR YOU and me and everyone, on the cross, paying the penalty for your sins and mine - because the wages of sin (all sin, every sin) is death. God made ONE way for every person, the sacrificial death of His son, the perfect God-man, Jesus Christ.
You can try to earn it or you can recognize God’s already paid your penalty and gratefully receive Him as your Savior and Lord. Those under religions of works suffer heavy burdens and worry because they never know if they’ve done enough. They are right to have this nagging worry, they will discover their nagging worry is correct unless they receive Christ as Savior and Lord.
Ride The White Horse ....
You would think he has stock answers already prepared for instances like this. The amateur hour continues.
“...ok, what is the mark of Cain?...the general thought of society until a few decades ago was that black skin was the mark of Cain.”
Weren’t Cain’s descendant lost in the Flood? Aren’t we all descended from Noah?
Romney should have answered the question..Newt would have responded.Exactly.
It's not like the question was coming out of nowhere. Should have had a stock answer ready for that question ages ago.
But then, Newt should have been ready for that charge of "influence peddling" that tripped him up and turned him all deer-in-the-headlights in the first pre-Florida debate.
It's just amazing what certain people aren't ready for when you'd expect them to be ready for just that thing.
Yet Romney is a Bishop in the mormon church. He has also ran for president before...should be a pro at it.
Yet Romney is a Bishop in the mormon church. He has also ran for president before...should be a pro at it.
the current infallible prophets started to backpedal away from the prior infallible prophets
Some people may have thought that, but it certainly was not the general thought of society.
He was such a kidder!
I remember that day in 1977 when LDS leader Spencer W. Kimball announced that they no longer believed in that particular part of their sacred scriptures.
Just as they had suddenly decided they no longer believed in the bit about polygamy 70 years earlier.
Seems this church governs itself in much the same way Mitt Romney would govern the country.
(Says Seaplaner, who apparently would have no qualms voting for either a Satanist or a "I'm Jesus Christ returned" candidate or a "I'm-a-god-in-embryo Mormon.")
Well, you do what the Mormon leaders are trying to do now -- erect a new tightrope & try to be a trapeze artist tiptoeing it-- like this Lds general authority did this past weekend @ the Lds General Conference: See Apostle says key to LDS beliefs is divine revelation: Conference » Apostle adds, Not every statement made by a church leader, past or present ... constitutes doctrine.
Note what lds "apostle" D. Todd Christofferson tried to get away with over the weekend:
"Not every statement made by a church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine...A statement made by one leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, [and is] not meant to be official or binding for the whole church." This distinction was especially salient in recent weeks when a Brigham Young University religion professor was quoted in The Washington Post, describing some allegedly Mormon beliefs about black skin being "the curse of Cain" or blacks as so-called "fence-sitters" in premortal life, to explain the Utah-based faiths exclusion of black men from its all-male priesthood until 1978...Christofferson shared an example of Brigham Young offering a particular perspective in a morning conference speech and then reversing himself by the afternoon. The apostle quoted the 19th-century Mormon leader as saying, "Brigham Young had been talking in the morning, but the Lord was going to talk now."
Now do you see the Mormon leader resemblance 'tween Brigham Young & Mitt Romney? "Mitt Romney had been talking in the morning, but another Mitt Romney was going to talk now."
When the Mormon "faithful" hear a Mormon general authority, they take it from the "horse's mouth" that these guys represent the Mormon gods. Not so fast, claims Christofferson...Might just be an opinion...perhaps a speculation...could be even a spectre caused -- to use a Dickens' phrase -- "an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of underdone potato." Who knows?
BOTTOM-LINE, MORMONS: Don't you dare take ANYTHING any Lds general authority leader @ face value. Might be a 'doctrine' that's changed later on; or could be a mere speculative opinion.
'Cause that's all Mormon leaders "trade" in these days...opinions...
Bingo...(tho 'twas 1978)
If people want to understand how Mormonism's approach to the socio-political realm at the local level, people need to read these two articles (the first written by a Mormon; the second by an ex-Mormon):
* Mitt Romney mirrors his Mormon church [Lds writer says Romney flip-flops 'cause Lds church has/does]
* Who is Mitt Romney? [Ex-Lds author reveals why Mitt's wishy-washy culture waffles & flip-flops]
In the first linked article above, Mormon Neal Chandler highlights how in the 19th century...
* Mormons forced communism upon its people -- and then not (United Order)
* Adhered to theocracies under its first two "prophets" -- and then slowly drew back
* Said polygamy was a condition of the highest degree of glory -- and then not
* Encourage its Utah Territory voters to be Democrats -- and then told whole groups of people wholesale to "balance it out" as Republicans as statehood approached
* Excluded blacks -- and then late in the 20th century not
From the second article linked above: What makes Mitt the kind of person he is ruthlessly opportunistic, dishonest, insincere, willing to say anything for advantage, lacking in conscience, preoccupied with appearance, etc., on the one hand, yet squeaky clean, family-oriented, disciplined, boring, and predictable, on the other? My new e-book, A Mormon Story, sheds light on the culture that produced Mitt Romney.
Good question. (It's one I've raised -- and answered numerous times on various FR threads)
The answer, says this ex-Mormon in the book referenced above is: (From the article): The book reveals a value system that ultimately has no absolutes, other than the need to conform to deep-seated, highly-controlling authoritarianism that pervades LDS culture. That culture emphasizes a Mormon tradition known as "eternal progression" undoctrinal spiritual evolution in which even God is changing. It also emphasizes the notion that the latest words of governing church leaders trump the Word of God found in the scriptures (including LDS scripture).
IOW, EVERYTHING in Mormonism -- from its theology to its social practices -- is up for potential change at the whim of the Mormon god. Bottom-line: There is no bottom-line in Mormonism! There is no bedrock doctrine that cannot be replaced!
There isn't even an Ultimate god in Mormonism...Nobody knows who the gods are that were part of the council which appointed the god of this world -- a former man, say Mormons.
So there's not even any Ultimate Authority in Mormonism!