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Romney faces question about mormon faith
Star Tribune ^ | /02/2012 | Steve Peoples

Posted on 04/02/2012 12:09:06 PM PDT by katiedidit1

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1 posted on 04/02/2012 12:09:15 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

Look out for the Paulbots...they’re everywhere..lol. Romney was a tad shocked.


2 posted on 04/02/2012 12:11:07 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

And they are just getting started.


3 posted on 04/02/2012 12:12:06 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: katiedidit1

They are going to scream “RACISM” from the Atlantic to the Pacific for the next eight months. Get used to it.

THEY HAVE NOTHING TO RUN ON! Nothing...not one single thing.

They will campaign on the following basis:
1. Republicans are racist.
2. Republicans are anti-women
3. Republicans are rich elitists.

If Romney plays defense on this stuff, he loses.

It’s all about THE ECONOMY! Get it Mitt?


4 posted on 04/02/2012 12:13:08 PM PDT by kjo (+)
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To: katiedidit1

Obama would defeat Romney with that passage


5 posted on 04/02/2012 12:14:01 PM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: katiedidit1

Romney should have answered the question..Newt would have responded.


6 posted on 04/02/2012 12:14:50 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

Obama would defeat Romney with that passage


7 posted on 04/02/2012 12:15:22 PM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: katiedidit1

Obama would defeat Romney with that passage


8 posted on 04/02/2012 12:15:28 PM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: katiedidit1
But he returned to the subject later in the event. Romney talked about serving as a Mormon pastor for more than a decade in Boston. He said the experience taught him that most people have personal problems. He says he's running for president because he wants to lighten those burdens.

The Federal Government and the President specifically is tasked with dealing with citizen's personal problems. Holy..............

9 posted on 04/02/2012 12:19:01 PM PDT by DManA
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To: katiedidit1

The fix is in. How many times do we have to get skunked? Dole, McCain, Bush. Even when we win we lose.


10 posted on 04/02/2012 12:20:23 PM PDT by RichardMoore (There is only one issue- Life: dump TV and follow a plant based diet)
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To: katiedidit1

Ooooh...grabbing the micro-phone so no one finds out how
looney Mormonism truly is, when is Romney going to be
vetted? It will be too late after the Convention.


11 posted on 04/02/2012 12:20:56 PM PDT by stpio
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To: kjo
They will campaign on the following basis:
1. Republicans are racist.
2. Republicans are anti-women
3. Republicans are rich elitists.

They are also going to equate Mormonism with Christianity and then run on:
4. Christians(Mormons)want to run your life.
5. Christians(Mormons)hate gays.
6. Christians(Mormons)want to monitor your bedroom.

After they have spent time equating Mormonism with Christianity they will then start picking at the foibles of the Mormon faith as above. They will want the average voter to scream, "A Pox on all their houses. I guess Obama ain't so bad after all."

Regards,

TS

12 posted on 04/02/2012 12:21:05 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: DManA

Weak answer to a question that will be brought up again. I don’t know if the book of mormon says that or not but the Bishop sure as heck should know


13 posted on 04/02/2012 12:22:20 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

Does he believe the passage in the Book of Mormon that says if you are not Mormon you are in the church of the devil?

“there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth” (1 Ne. 14:10-11).


14 posted on 04/02/2012 12:23:38 PM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: katiedidit1

The problem Mormons run into is their prophets are supposed to be infallible and get direct revelation from God.

WHat do you do when so many infallible prophets in the past have gone along with the Mormon teachings about black people and why their skin is dark?

It wasn’t even until the 1970s they let blacks into the Temples (it’s not like you just go there and they let you in) for their secret ceremonies. When BYU figured out blacks could play basketball for them, that’s when the current infallible prophets started to backpedal away from the prior infallible prophets on all that old black people racist crap that existed in the Mormon teachings.


15 posted on 04/02/2012 12:24:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: DManA

Newt Gingrich would have simply said, ok, what is the mark of Cain? That should have at least silenced the person asking the question since the general thought of society until a few decades ago was that black skin was the mark of Cain.

Often the answer isn’t nearly as important as the question.


16 posted on 04/02/2012 12:24:27 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: katiedidit1

How could he have gotten this far?

We might as well have a Halfrican American Muslim running...wait, we already do.


17 posted on 04/02/2012 12:29:27 PM PDT by DonkeyBonker
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To: katiedidit1

He should have been ready with an answer SIX YEARS AGO. If he and his campaign hasn’t prepared themselves for this, they are way too stupid to be trusted with the presidency.


18 posted on 04/02/2012 12:31:30 PM PDT by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: katiedidit1
Ruh Roh. Wait till it's a group of reporters that bring their own microphones. This is going to be a feast for the Left. Do they start with the wealth angle, or do they just go straight for the main course with the black skin curse and the spirit brides. So much rich footage and just too little time to air it all. Obama will look like the blue collar normal guy by the time this is done.
19 posted on 04/02/2012 12:32:13 PM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: katiedidit1

Romney should have answered the question..Newt would have responded.

***

Mormonism is indefensible. Start here ...

http://www.waltermartin.com/mormon.html#mormcon

... then read the book.


20 posted on 04/02/2012 12:34:25 PM PDT by ROTB (FReepmail me if you want to join a team seeking the LORD for a Christian revival now in the USA.)
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To: greyfoxx39; Colofornian
Romney's staff took the microphone away from the 28-year-old Green Bay man before he could read the passage.

Just wait until Obama's flying monkeys are finished with him...

21 posted on 04/02/2012 12:38:06 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: katiedidit1
The only question that should be asked any candidate re religion: are you a muslim?

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22 posted on 04/02/2012 12:44:38 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: freedomlover

This is the very reason Joseph Smith supposedly started Mormonism. According to him, he was met by Jesus and Elohim in the woods and asked them what religion he should join, and they told him none of them, that all Christian religions were corrupt. And to start a new one.

Romney has to believe that as it’s the very reason why Mormonism exists and claims to be the only true religion, restored. Otherwise they can’t claim to be any better or worse.

Now some may say that’s no different than Christianity but I will state clearly ALL other religions, Mormonism included, are different fundamentally from Chrisianity. There really are only two religions in the world, Christianity, and the rest. All the other religions of the world require a person to earn salvation. Only Christianity has a Savior that has earned salvation for you and everyone else, because only He could live a perfect life required by God, to keep all God’s laws, and therefore be perfect and be able to gain Heaven. He gave that life that did not require God to punish it for breaking God’s law, up for sacrifice so that those who would believe in Him could be imputed His perfectness, and therefore be able to stand before God because of what Christ did, not because of anything they did.

Every other religion people “earn” their salvation. None are certain they ever “earn” heaven. They never truly know if they have done enough. They say they hope they have. That is NOT the CERTAIN hope Christians have, because they KNOW Jesus is who He says He is and did what He said He did, because HE AROSE FROM THE GRAVE! He has the power to set His life down, and take it up again. We have certain hope because we know what Jesus did. The apostles did not even know this after Jesus died. They ran away and holed up in a locked chamber room not knowing what was going to happen next, thinking they may be the next people put up on crosses. Jesus appeared to them in that locked room and showed them His wounds. What turns a bunch of scared men into those not afraid to die for their faith in a man that was crucified but they now believe is living? NOT A LIE. BELIEF that it happened. They had 40 days with him after His resurrection. They cite over 500 eyewitnesses alive during the writing of the New Testament books (letters and accounts) that knew Jesus and saw Him alive during these 40 days. People do not martyr themselves for a lie. They will die for the truth though.

The bottom line is you can be in any other religion in the world and try to earn your way into heaven, which you cannot. You cannot make an imperfect, sinful life, perfect and holy, on your own. Breaking a perfect, infinite God’s laws requires an infinite penalty (eternal separation from God). The only way that debt is paid is either YOU pay it, spending eternity separated from God, or you receive the free gift God, who is perfect but also loving, has provided in His Son’s innocent suffering and death FOR YOU and me and everyone, on the cross, paying the penalty for your sins and mine - because the wages of sin (all sin, every sin) is death. God made ONE way for every person, the sacrificial death of His son, the perfect God-man, Jesus Christ.

You can try to earn it or you can recognize God’s already paid your penalty and gratefully receive Him as your Savior and Lord. Those under religions of works suffer heavy burdens and worry because they never know if they’ve done enough. They are right to have this nagging worry, they will discover their nagging worry is correct unless they receive Christ as Savior and Lord.


23 posted on 04/02/2012 12:47:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Ride The White Horse ....


24 posted on 04/02/2012 12:53:58 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Well said


25 posted on 04/02/2012 12:59:27 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Well said


26 posted on 04/02/2012 1:05:16 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: katiedidit1

You would think he has stock answers already prepared for instances like this. The amateur hour continues.


27 posted on 04/02/2012 1:09:47 PM PDT by bramps (Newt is the one)
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To: JAKraig

“...ok, what is the mark of Cain?...the general thought of society until a few decades ago was that black skin was the mark of Cain.”

Weren’t Cain’s descendant lost in the Flood? Aren’t we all descended from Noah?


28 posted on 04/02/2012 1:12:15 PM PDT by Bizhvywt
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To: katiedidit1
Romney should have answered the question..Newt would have responded.
Exactly.

It's not like the question was coming out of nowhere. Should have had a stock answer ready for that question ages ago.

But then, Newt should have been ready for that charge of "influence peddling" that tripped him up and turned him all deer-in-the-headlights in the first pre-Florida debate.

It's just amazing what certain people aren't ready for when you'd expect them to be ready for just that thing.

29 posted on 04/02/2012 1:14:04 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

Yet Romney is a Bishop in the mormon church. He has also ran for president before...should be a pro at it.


30 posted on 04/02/2012 1:26:38 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: samtheman

Yet Romney is a Bishop in the mormon church. He has also ran for president before...should be a pro at it.


31 posted on 04/02/2012 1:30:41 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Secret Agent Man

the current infallible prophets started to backpedal away from the prior infallible prophets


LOL


32 posted on 04/02/2012 1:37:51 PM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: JAKraig

Some people may have thought that, but it certainly was not the general thought of society.


33 posted on 04/02/2012 1:50:16 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Elsie
Good thing this guy wasn't taking the question, huh?

He was such a kidder!

34 posted on 04/02/2012 2:00:24 PM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: katiedidit1

I remember that day in 1977 when LDS leader Spencer W. Kimball announced that they no longer believed in that particular part of their sacred scriptures.

Just as they had suddenly decided they no longer believed in the bit about polygamy 70 years earlier.

Seems this church governs itself in much the same way Mitt Romney would govern the country.


35 posted on 04/02/2012 2:50:11 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Seaplaner; katiedidit1
The only question that should be asked any candidate re religion: are you a muslim?

(Says Seaplaner, who apparently would have no qualms voting for either a Satanist or a "I'm Jesus Christ returned" candidate or a "I'm-a-god-in-embryo Mormon.")

36 posted on 04/02/2012 3:47:57 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Secret Agent Man; katiedidit1; All
The problem Mormons run into is their prophets are supposed to be infallible and get direct revelation from God. WHat do you do when so many infallible prophets in the past have gone along with the Mormon teachings about black people and why their skin is dark?

Well, you do what the Mormon leaders are trying to do now -- erect a new tightrope & try to be a trapeze artist tiptoeing it-- like this Lds general authority did this past weekend @ the Lds General Conference: See Apostle says key to LDS beliefs is divine revelation: Conference » Apostle adds, “Not every statement made by a church leader, past or present ... constitutes doctrine.”

Note what lds "apostle" D. Todd Christofferson tried to get away with over the weekend:
"Not every statement made by a church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine...A statement made by one leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, [and is] not meant to be official or binding for the whole church." This distinction was especially salient in recent weeks when a Brigham Young University religion professor was quoted in The Washington Post, describing some allegedly Mormon beliefs about black skin being "the curse of Cain" or blacks as so-called "fence-sitters" in premortal life, to explain the Utah-based faith’s exclusion of black men from its all-male priesthood until 1978...Christofferson shared an example of Brigham Young offering a particular perspective in a morning conference speech and then reversing himself by the afternoon. The apostle quoted the 19th-century Mormon leader as saying, "Brigham Young had been talking in the morning, but the Lord was going to talk now."

Now do you see the Mormon leader resemblance 'tween Brigham Young & Mitt Romney? "Mitt Romney had been talking in the morning, but another Mitt Romney was going to talk now."

When the Mormon "faithful" hear a Mormon general authority, they take it from the "horse's mouth" that these guys represent the Mormon gods. Not so fast, claims Christofferson...Might just be an opinion...perhaps a speculation...could be even a spectre caused -- to use a Dickens' phrase -- "an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of underdone potato." Who knows?

BOTTOM-LINE, MORMONS: Don't you dare take ANYTHING any Lds general authority leader @ face value. Might be a 'doctrine' that's changed later on; or could be a mere speculative opinion.

'Cause that's all Mormon leaders "trade" in these days...opinions...

37 posted on 04/02/2012 4:05:15 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I remember that day in 1977 when LDS leader Spencer W. Kimball announced that they no longer believed in that particular part of their sacred scriptures. Just as they had suddenly decided they no longer believed in the bit about polygamy 70 years earlier. Seems this church governs itself in much the same way Mitt Romney would govern the country.

Bingo...(tho 'twas 1978)

If people want to understand how Mormonism's approach to the socio-political realm at the local level, people need to read these two articles (the first written by a Mormon; the second by an ex-Mormon):

* Mitt Romney mirrors his Mormon church [Lds writer says Romney flip-flops 'cause Lds church has/does]
*
Who is Mitt Romney? [Ex-Lds author reveals why Mitt's wishy-washy culture waffles & flip-flops]

In the first linked article above, Mormon Neal Chandler highlights how in the 19th century...
* Mormons forced communism upon its people -- and then not (United Order)
* Adhered to theocracies under its first two "prophets" -- and then slowly drew back
* Said polygamy was a condition of the highest degree of glory -- and then not
* Encourage its Utah Territory voters to be Democrats -- and then told whole groups of people wholesale to "balance it out" as Republicans as statehood approached
* Excluded blacks -- and then late in the 20th century not

From the second article linked above: What makes Mitt the kind of person he is — ruthlessly opportunistic, dishonest, insincere, willing to say anything for advantage, lacking in conscience, preoccupied with appearance, etc., on the one hand, yet squeaky clean, family-oriented, disciplined, boring, and predictable, on the other? My new e-book, A Mormon Story, sheds light on the culture that produced Mitt Romney.

Good question. (It's one I've raised -- and answered numerous times on various FR threads)

The answer, says this ex-Mormon in the book referenced above is: (From the article): The book reveals a value system that ultimately has no absolutes, other than the need to conform to deep-seated, highly-controlling authoritarianism that pervades LDS culture. That culture emphasizes a Mormon tradition known as "eternal progression" — undoctrinal spiritual evolution in which even God is changing. It also emphasizes the notion that the latest words of governing church leaders trump the Word of God found in the scriptures (including LDS scripture).

IOW, EVERYTHING in Mormonism -- from its theology to its social practices -- is up for potential change at the whim of the Mormon god. Bottom-line: There is no bottom-line in Mormonism! There is no bedrock doctrine that cannot be replaced!

There isn't even an Ultimate god in Mormonism...Nobody knows who the gods are that were part of the council which appointed the god of this world -- a former man, say Mormons.

So there's not even any Ultimate Authority in Mormonism!

38 posted on 04/02/2012 4:09:14 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: reaganaut; SevenofNine

ping


39 posted on 04/02/2012 4:11:00 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: katiedidit1

40 posted on 04/02/2012 4:14:14 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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41 posted on 04/02/2012 4:30:24 PM PDT by svcw (Romney/BHO only difference - one thinks he will be god, they other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Colofornian

The problem is the whole black-skin curse of Cain is not just some prophet saying it, it’s in their book Joseph Smith translated. The guy was quoting the passage and asking Romney to explain the Mormon position on this.


42 posted on 04/02/2012 5:13:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: monkapotamus

MONK It is true I saw it on Media lite that website it is true if you want check it out you got their archives it is there dude


43 posted on 04/02/2012 5:52:10 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: katiedidit1

This is just the beginning. Several of us on here warned that this would happen. Mitt getting the nomination will make Mormonism and their blasphemy front and center.

The only good I can see from all of this is perhaps it will make people see that Mormonism is not harmless and that God will open the eyes of some Mormons that they may come to the Christ of the Bible, like I and many other ex-Mormons have.


44 posted on 04/02/2012 6:15:51 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: tommix2
Obama would defeat Romney with that passage


But wait: there's MORE!!!






"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

45 posted on 04/02/2012 6:16:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: stpio
... when is Romney going to be vetted?

Dang!

I'm TRYING!!!

46 posted on 04/02/2012 6:17:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: DManA; SENTINEL

Romney talked about serving as a Mormon pastor for more than a decade in Boston. He said the experience taught him that most people have personal problems.

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Ummm...Mormons don’t have ‘pastors’. Their Bishops serve 2-3 year terms. Now he may be including his time as a “Stake President” (Equiv. to Catholic Bishop), but to claim he was a ‘pastor’ for 10 years is disingenuous if not outright lying.


47 posted on 04/02/2012 6:18:36 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: The Shrew
They will want the average stupid voter to scream...
48 posted on 04/02/2012 6:18:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: freedomlover
Does he believe the passage in the Book of Mormon that says if you are not Mormon you are in the church of the devil?

Were the following uttered by men of standing in the MORMON Religious Organization®?

Do you stand by these words or do you repudiate them?


(Any MORMONs reading this may comment, too...)



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

49 posted on 04/02/2012 6:21:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Secret Agent Man
...that’s when the current infallible prophets started to backpedal away from the prior infallible prophets on all that old black people racist crap that existed in the Mormon teachings.




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

50 posted on 04/02/2012 6:22:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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