Skip to comments.Obama warns 'unelected' Supreme Court against striking down health law
Posted on 04/02/2012 12:46:07 PM PDT by Deo volente
President Obama, employing his strongest language to date on the Supreme Court review of the federal health care overhaul, cautioned the court Monday against overturning the law -- while repeatedly saying he's "confident" it will be upheld.
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“Ginsburg has already stated her views on the US Constitution - old goat.”
There’s something odd going on here regarding Ginsburg and Obama.
She is in very poor health, yet seems steadfast that she will hold on through his term and not retire. Why is that?
She is a Jew, is she not?
Perhaps, for all her leftism, Ginsburg is savvy enough to see that Obama is a Mulsim (if not in declaration, certainly “in the heart”), and, as a Jew, will not permit her seat to be filled by someone of his religious leanings.
I sense that deep down, she despises him.
My take. Could be completely wrong.
Not “decisions we don’t like”, decisions we consider to be plainly outside the parameters of the Constitution. There’s a reason why the left generally considers the Constitution to be a “living breathing document” and the right in general prefers to stick to the plain language as written. The left has no compunction in admitting that they consider it open to relativist interpretation. (They have rather the same view of the Bible).
And I don’t recall any Republican making thinly-veiled threats to the SC regarding what decisions they better make, especially on the silly basis of their being “unelected”, or pretending that it would be unprecedented for the SC to overturn congressional legislation on the basis of unconstitutionality. That’s their job!
Hey Barry I have an idea. If the Court overturns it, let's have that 2008 election over again, just to show them how widely supported you and your agenda are.
He has a liberal record on issues like abortion and gay rights, but I doubt he has the same degree of fanaticism about them as Obama does--and he would be bucking his party rather than being supported by it as Obama would be. On racial issues, I don't see him as deliberately trying to worsen race relations like Obama has been doing.
On the military and America's standing in the world, he doesn't have much of a record, but is it really plausible to think he would be as bad as Obama? Would he bow to the king of Saudi Arabia? Would he talk as if he thinks the US is no better than any other country, like Obama has? I don't think so.
On the economy, he would certainly be much better than Obama--he wouldn't be trying to destroy the free enterprise system in order to get to socialism, he wouldn't be invoking class warfare all the time.
Yes, I wish we had a real conservative who could beat Obama in the fall, but the ones who could have done so opted not to run. We need to focus on how bad another four years of Obama will be.
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Did Justice Kagan leak the SCOTUS decision to Obama? I won’t hold my breath waiting on any investigation (even though NSA probably knows.)
I’m guessing that last Friday the justices voted to tear up the whole thing... Obama must be going NUTS trying to figure out what exactly they will be saying when they get around to publishing the opinion. I’m hoping that the Supreme Court will do their job and defend the Constitution and the People against this tyrant. Obama could go the route that President Jackson went I suppose - then again, I doubt Obama has enough loyalty within the DoD to attempt to enforce the law.
Seriously though, what in the world is Obama threatening to do if SCOTUS *dares* to do their job? I hope someone has asked that question of him...
Obama - if SCOTUS strikes down Obamacare (like you know they SHOULD) exactly what ARE you threatening to do? WHAT can you do as President to bypass them? Call in the military and do what? Force people at gunpoint to sign up for the program? EXACTLY WHAT is the plan if Obama doesn’t get his way?
Frankly, I’m sick of the charade that is Obama and this administration and ALL of their comrades in crime in various parts of society - if Obama think he can turn the US into Kenya like his Uncle he is sorely mistaken...
Everyone “knows” Pepsi-lite is better for you than Pepsi. Yet Pepsi outsells Pepsi-lite ...everywhere, all the time.
Obama will clean the streets with his Caucasian Mini-me..... The GOP-e won’t know what hit them.
Since when does a president lobby the SCOTIS. They are independent branches. I hope they send his letter back saying that they will not consider it.
The latest contretemps have certainly focussed my mind. This “threat display” by Il Douche is the last straw. I will hold my nose and vote for Romney. He just couldn’t hate America as badly as Il Douche.
LOL look at that mug on Hussein! Reminds me of that movie Braveheart where King Richard says “Who is this person who speaks as if I need his advice?”
...and create a readily-identifiable, outnumbered and outgunned mass target of opportunity? Probably not...
Well, President Jackson disobeyed the Supreme Court.
I have no doubt that Obama would, he is a fascist. It is grounds for immediate impeachment.
When the Cherokee finally won their rights back in the Supreme Court case of Worcester v. Georgia, Jackson was quoted saying, “John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it!” Jackson blatantly disregarded the court ruling that named the Cherokee people a domestic dependant nation and bribed a tribal leader that led his tribe to present-day Oklahoma. Andrew Jackson chose to blatantly disobey a ruling set by the Supreme Court, and acting rashly and dishonestly towards the Native Americans in a way that was unprecedented for. The disobeying of a Supreme Court ruling should have been grounds for immediate impeachment. How any one man, worse yet the president, could break such a large law that had such an open impact is in today’s society unbelievable. Yet Jackson did this exact thing, he blatantly disobeyed the ruling set by the Supreme Court to accomplish his own personal vendetta against the Native Americans.
“Good news. This indicates he did not get a secret phone call from the SC saying they voted to keep Obama care. If anything the call was bad news for him.”
The vote against might be very close to unanimous as a result of this Communist would-be dictator’s arrogance-he might even have gotten Kagan pissed off enough to vote against;)
There you go again with the reason and logic. You need to quit doing that before you make me change my mind.
All kidding aside, you're making better points about how a Romney presidency would compare to a second Obama term, than anyone I've encountered in the last 12 months.
I'm afraid that I can't argue with you, though I detest Mitt.
It’s one thing for an early 19th Century president to use military force against a defenseless Indian tribe in defiance of a Court order. It would be quite another thing to force Congress to fund an overturned law for a gigantic bureaucratic system don’t you think? I suspect even a few Democrats would blanch at the thought of passing funding for a program deemed illegal.
Wonder how dear leader will react if the Supreme Court goes against him. We all know how FDR handled rejection.
The white arab must be threatening their families.
I fear you are right.
“Obama is only an expert in con law, not constitutional law.”
Yep...I'm afraid you're right. ..and likely why he had no hesitation in making those statements. The guy has no fear of constitutional restraints....or of the system of checks and balances. They are simply rumple strips he navigates around or thru.
What goes around, comes around. . .
Then lets THROW OUT those two YOU DIDN'T ELECT.
Good one, and so true.
Both Breyer and [prior Justice] Souter joined the 7-2 majority in Bush v. Gore, citing 14th Amendment Equal Protection violations. Breyer is still on the Court, and he might go with the conservatives - citing any number of things [compulsory contract, no authority under the Commerce Clause, etc.] ...
'Specially given Obama's comments today - saying that a vote against Obamacare is unprecedented and judicial activism ...
Obama seems to have forgotten Marbury v. Madison ...
The way it works is that they take an initial vote, then majority opinion and dissenting opinion [if any] writing is assigned. These are then passed among the justices to read and they are free to change their minds at a later date.
However, there is a drop dead date after which they cannot change their minds ...
I would hope you have the gift of prophecy..........sounds good to me.
He would be impeached - the American Public [as a whole] look to the Court as the last bastion of resistance against run-away government ...
The House would vote articles of impeachment, given the current GOP majority and there are plenty of DEM Senators from Red States who WOULD vote to convict in order to keep their phoney-baloney jobs ...
Otherwise, the DEM Senators would be pissing away their careers. Also, this would set a precedent that if Obama could ignore the Supreme Court - then he could ignore Congress on ANYTHING ...
HOWEVER we must stay united IF he is the candidate, and vote OBAMA OUT at all costs.
The choice will be ours.
2013 with OBAMA as President = loss of our freedoms and a beginning of a dictatorship. PERIOD... I personally don't want to run that risk.
Polly, I'm beginning to hear that view, although I must admit that I've shut it out for a long time now. I still detest Romney with a passion, but a few good folks around here are making a very logical case for him being the "lesser of two evils."
Freeper Verginius Rufus has made a better case for that than any I've heard:
“Even scarier is they are all vulnerable to heart attacks.”
Scary is right. What would happen if one of them died before the ruling came out?
I'm a proud resident of Athens, home of the Battle of Athens. It's coming.
Do you really need that imagery in your post, newbie?
Constitutional scholar my a$$.
Exactly! What about Marbury v Madison does he not get???????????
I know our congress critters don't have the cajones, especially in an election year, but if the ruling comes down as unConstitutional and 0bama’s Regime implements it anyway...the question becomes...What can we do?
Congress won't dare start impeachment processes this year or mid-summer. An unConstitutional ruling could play out in 0bama’s favor as he campaigns on implementation anyway. Hence, why Congress would need to impeach him or start proceedings as 0bama is breaking the law. Again, this would then be enough of a crisis to bring out all the progressive base for the election. So I see no reason for 0bama to fear the checks and balances.
So, since 0bama doesn't seem touchable up until the election and any action against him could majorly backfire, what do we do? This is all setting up for the ‘community organizer’ just too darn perfectly. I can actually see in my head right now him standing on the podium, finger wagging railing against our American System and how it has failed the American People. Telling us how he has already put in place people to help with the transition to a new form of American Democracy...
This ‘warning’ is the start of the Constitutional Crisis. The SCOTUS has no way to enforce the ruling and the regime knows it. They also know congress won't and basically can't act even if they tried. There are too many progressive moles in Congress to get justice and secure of form of government.
So, I started out to write this and ask if we could turn around and go after the agencies as they tried to implement a law ruled unConstitutional? And that means they are spending money on this even now...getting ready to set it in motion. If we can't stop the regime...can we go after the agencies? With all the laws we have, there must be some way to go after the agencies. Where are our clever conservative lawyers that will be willing to risk going after them?
Now I am finishing this wondering, if our own governing body won't stand by the law and how our system of government was designed to work...
Is it our government anymore?
As a people we're in great danger now because Obama is pathological.....and to me there are indications he's losing it. Many things actually are not going his way.....and how he is reacting must bear close scrutiny. We have to hold our breaths for the next seven months, that's for sure. He's going to reach far and we can only pray that his reach exceeds his grasp.
You think he sounds over confident? Really?
He sounds pissed and worried.
Yea and when is the last time that happened?
FDR had the public support. This healthcare bill and Obama doesn’t. Not like FDR.
He’ll do nothing but whine and have to take it, especially with a R congress.
:: cautioned the court Monday against overturning the law — while repeatedly saying he’s “confident” it will be upheld. ::
Sounds like Al Capone giving someone a choice and then, with a wry smile, telling them he ^knows^ they will do the right thing, all the while patting his “violin” case.
Is it our government anymore? >>>>>>>>>>>
Categorically NO !
And so we wait for the rest of America to understand that.
And then what?
The November election is turning into a farce.
:: Kagan will likely flip and join the majority, just so that they can deflect any future calls for her to recuse herself. ::
I was thinking that Sotomayor would flip and ^run^ as far as possible from Kagan because she didn’t recuse.
EXACTLY WHAT is the plan if Obama doesnt get his way?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Obama will call out his brown shirts nation wide, and create mayhem, disorder, and as America defends itself
from mayhem in the streets across the nation, declare martial law.
The foundation of a civil war is being laid.And the security apparatus of America is now arrayed against THE PEOPLE.
soon as I heard that they would have a secret vote I thought of Kagan calling her boss with the decision and that is another reason why I want someone with balls to investigate how she got elected, her background her role in the court right now and what communication she had with obama.
Of course investigate Holder, DOJ, , Janet not securing the border, spending pon green energy, overturn the insane policy of allowing openly serving homosexuals, ah the list is endless.
:: He wouldnt be the first president to ignore/disobey a SC ruling. ::
One tactic could be for him to move forward with other portions of ObamaCare with EOs while congress is “rewriting” the single-payer portion.
“Yeah, hes threatening the court, but come on. Republicans/conservatives arent exactly squeaky clean when it comes to playing the judicial activism and unelected officials cards when court decisions dont go our way.”
When it comes to judicial activism on the left, it tends to be more positive (vs negative on the right). That is, they tend to read things INTO laws, or interpret laws to mean something they were never meant to mean.
Striking down a law as unconstitutional is a bit different.