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Posted on 04/02/2012 3:27:33 PM PDT by Dallas59
Kimberly Hester, a grade school teacher's aide in Michigan, was fired for refusing to hand over her Facebook password to her supervisors. Hester posted a picture of a co-workers' shoes and pants bunched around her ankles on Facebook in April 2011 with the caption, "Thinking of you." She posted the picture in jest, but a parent who's on her Facebook friend list saw the image and reported it to Frank Squires Elementary where Hester was employed, prompting the investigation.
Teachers have gotten in trouble for Facebook status messages before, but in Hester's case, it's her refusal to hand over her password that actually got her fired. One of the supervisors from the Lewis Cass Intermediate School District (ISD), the regional service center for education in Michigan, even wrote her a letter when she refused to give them her password for the third time. Part of the letter read: "... in the absence of you voluntarily granting Lewis Cass ISD administration access to you[r] Facebook page, we will assume the worst and act accordingly." Lewis Cass wanted to put Hester on a paid administrative leave before they fired her, but she chose to go on an unpaid leave because she believes she did nothing wrong. She plans to use the letter she received to sue the school district.
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No, it couldn't be her own actions that had anything to do with this.
Could it?
Where is this insanity coming from? Why should anyone ever have to hand over their Facebook passwords - or passwords to anything else? How about email passwords next? Passwords to favorite political forums?
I'm not sure where to begin? The teacher's aide for posting the picture on facebook..... The parent that ratted her out....the supervisor that demanded the password....or the idiot that put it in writing stating she was fired for not handing over her facebook password.
These people teach children.......be afraid.
If she posted to Facebook from school/school computer, she might be liable.
If she posted to Facebook from elsewhere, she call tell them to suck eggs, and sue them for wrongful termination.
“...but in Hester’s case, it’s her refusal to hand over her password that actually got her fired.”
Do you think that is okay?
Would it have ever come up if she hadn't posted pics of co-workers?
Personal responsibility is a bitch.
You didn’t answer the question.
Is there a way to know which computer the pic came from? I’m sure that I heard someone at Sheriff Joe’s BC presser say that they could tell which computer in the White Crib created and put up the phony BC. Do computers leave electronic footprints?
Prove it! Those shoes and pants could belong to anyone.
What is wrong with the stupid parent for complaining about something like this? Surely there must be more to this story....
I figure people who post crap about their workplace where anyone can see it are stupid.
If that stupidity has consequences, then fine, I hope they learn from it.
Is that answer enough for you?
Depending on her settings, not anyone can see it. Thus her employer asking for her login.
No reason to be a smart ass.
IP address
I guess this will depend on what’s in her employment agreement.
I think of an online presence as private property, being asked to relinquish that without a court order is suspect.
I wonder if they or the person pictured asked her to remove it first?
Some parents complain about anything at all. When I was a Youth Leader for my church, I received a phone call from the Associate Pastor asking about my Myspace page and expressing concern if there was anything inappropriate on it. Turns out a parent had gone on to my page and a liquor ad popped up (that Myspace put on in their ad banner, not me). So the parent called the Pastor expressing great concern that I was “promoting” alcohol to the teens in the Youth Group. When of course I wouldn’t do anything at all like that, nor could I choose which ads were placed on the site. So yes, I got the blame for this supposed “pushing of alcohol”. It happens. And yes, parents will call on it.
“Personal responsibility is a bitch.”
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Yes, but this story is quite confusing as it seems to go beyond a simple infraction of posting an improper photo, in which case she could be subject to whatever punishment.
What does her password have to do with anything?
It would be like demanding the password to my Email accounts,
in which case I would tell them to go suck an egg.
From the terms of service...
You will not share your password, (or in the case of developers, your secret key), let anyone else access your account, or do anything else that might jeopardize the security of your account.
—Passwords to favorite political forums?—
There is a semblance of anonymity there anyway. I know it’s easy enough to find out if they really want to, but if they asked for my password I would say “Cuban leaf? Who’s that?”
I have two facebook accounts. One has no friends at all. :-)
Maybe not. If my employer came across any posts on Facebook or another forum (even if posted from my own home) that: (1) was obviously posted under my own name and identity, and (2) cast a bad impression on my company among people who know me as an employee of the firm ... then they would have every right to fire me.
Did Bumblegunner get a dose of his own “personal responsibility?
Humblegunner:
This account has been banned or suspended.
I am not sure if it is funny or strange.
Is the second one for crazy pics, your employer, or for creepin’?
I guess that would depend upon where the irresponsible little tart works.
If she's inclined to be talking crap about co-workers, then she might also be inclined to be giving out proprietary information.
Or security-sensitive information. Who knows what the tart might do.
Getting fired is about the mildest thing she should expect.
As long as you’ve been here, you should know it’s considered very bad form to talk about folks without pinging them.
I think that is a fake banned screen that he put as a joke. You can’t click the okay button.
It does bother me how some conservatives believe this is okay for employers to do. Where does it end?
I guess ping to #26.
To be fair, he thought you were banned. Why would he ping a banned person?
1984 big brother fascist society coming true.
“I guess that would depend upon where the irresponsible little tart works.
If she’s inclined to be talking crap about co-workers, then she might also be inclined to be giving out proprietary information.
Or security-sensitive information. Who knows what the tart might do.”
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That is a awful lot of supposition on your part.
If that is true, she could well be subject to being fired,
and probably should be, but that has nothing to do with the issue of demanding her password.
Perhaps for the same reason he would misspell someone's name when he thought they were safely banned and couldn't respond.
That would be because he's a weak-assed coward, unless I miss my guess.
OTOH, if any company or government computers or Internet accounts were used, it is obviously perfectly legal for those employers to demand full password protected access to any electronic records generated from their resources.
So this case could go either way.
That’s a joke added to his account page. If it were real, you wouldn’t see any flag, links, date of sign up, etc.
Okay, thanks; didn’t know that.
No problem. :)
Bwahahaha! That must be it!
The company I work for decided that senior management on up needed to have LinkedIn accounts and went about making them for anyone that didn't already have one. When they tried to make one in my name they found out I already had an account. They requested my credentials for some still unknown reason and I refused. It got pretty tense, but I decided my online presence was mine and I wasn't going to surrender it even if it meant termination. I felt that if they had a problem with the content in this account they could bring it to my attention and I would decide if I was willing to change it to remain employed with them.
I guess they decided I was beneficial enough to the company that they could overlook it because they eventually dropped the subject.
She probably took the picture and posted to FB with her Iphone. Computers are so 20th century.
I think some have too much time on their hands. I'm not talking about reasonable complaints but the ones like you stated.
You may want to switch to decaf.
Or perhaps sniveling weasels should switch to not trashing folks they assume cannot respond.
Did that occur to you?
No it didn’t. I was trying to lighten up the thread.
I oppose the move by employers to demand "social network" passwords as a condition of employment. At a minimum, it's a violation of the network's terms of service.
With that in mind, from an employer's viewpoint, if you hand it over what does that say about your trustworthiness regarding other agreements.
Oh.
Let me help.
In my state (nc) an employer can fire an employee for any reason or no reason, just not a discriminatory or illegal reason (demanding sex or giving up a child would fit that). Similarly an employee can quit for any reason, apparently even a discriminatory one, such as the race of your boss. Smart employees and employers see each other’s value.
That is either a funny reply, or you are a very bitter person...
Could be both.
It’s bitterly funny.
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