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Grade school teacherís aide fired for refusing to hand over Facebook password
Yahoo News ^ | 4/2/2012 | Yahoo News

Posted on 04/02/2012 3:27:33 PM PDT by Dallas59

Kimberly Hester, a grade school teacher's aide in Michigan, was fired for refusing to hand over her Facebook password to her supervisors. Hester posted a picture of a co-workers' shoes and pants bunched around her ankles on Facebook in April 2011 with the caption, "Thinking of you." She posted the picture in jest, but a parent who's on her Facebook friend list saw the image and reported it to Frank Squires Elementary where Hester was employed, prompting the investigation.

Teachers have gotten in trouble for Facebook status messages before, but in Hester's case, it's her refusal to hand over her password that actually got her fired. One of the supervisors from the Lewis Cass Intermediate School District (ISD), the regional service center for education in Michigan, even wrote her a letter when she refused to give them her password for the third time. Part of the letter read: "... in the absence of you voluntarily granting Lewis Cass ISD administration access to you[r] Facebook page, we will assume the worst and act accordingly." Lewis Cass wanted to put Hester on a paid administrative leave before they fired her, but she chose to go on an unpaid leave because she believes she did nothing wrong. She plans to use the letter she received to sue the school district.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: employer; facebook; kimberlyhester; password; socialnetworks
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1 posted on 04/02/2012 3:27:40 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59
Hester posted a picture of a co-workers' shoes and pants bunched around her ankles on Facebook in April 2011 with the caption, "Thinking of you."

No, it couldn't be her own actions that had anything to do with this.

Could it?

2 posted on 04/02/2012 3:34:06 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Dallas59

Where is this insanity coming from? Why should anyone ever have to hand over their Facebook passwords - or passwords to anything else? How about email passwords next? Passwords to favorite political forums?


3 posted on 04/02/2012 3:36:14 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Dallas59
I'm going to monitor this thread and report any fishy [read "conservative"] responses to #attackwatch and flag@whitehouse.gov.

I'm not sure where to begin? The teacher's aide for posting the picture on facebook..... The parent that ratted her out....the supervisor that demanded the password....or the idiot that put it in writing stating she was fired for not handing over her facebook password.

These people teach children.......be afraid.

4 posted on 04/02/2012 3:36:37 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Dallas59

If she posted to Facebook from school/school computer, she might be liable.

If she posted to Facebook from elsewhere, she call tell them to suck eggs, and sue them for wrongful termination.


5 posted on 04/02/2012 3:37:05 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: humblegunner

“...but in Hester’s case, it’s her refusal to hand over her password that actually got her fired.”

Do you think that is okay?


6 posted on 04/02/2012 3:38:53 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
Do you think that is okay?

Would it have ever come up if she hadn't posted pics of co-workers?

Personal responsibility is a bitch.

7 posted on 04/02/2012 3:42:30 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

You didn’t answer the question.


8 posted on 04/02/2012 3:43:55 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: TomGuy

Is there a way to know which computer the pic came from? I’m sure that I heard someone at Sheriff Joe’s BC presser say that they could tell which computer in the White Crib created and put up the phony BC. Do computers leave electronic footprints?


9 posted on 04/02/2012 3:45:37 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: Dallas59
Hester posted a picture of a co-workers' shoes and pants bunched around her ankles on Facebook in April 2011 with the caption, "Thinking of you."

Prove it! Those shoes and pants could belong to anyone.

What is wrong with the stupid parent for complaining about something like this? Surely there must be more to this story....

10 posted on 04/02/2012 3:47:22 PM PDT by CAluvdubya
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To: EEGator
You didn’t answer the question.

I figure people who post crap about their workplace where anyone can see it are stupid.

If that stupidity has consequences, then fine, I hope they learn from it.

Is that answer enough for you?

11 posted on 04/02/2012 3:48:28 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Dallas59

Hester wins another ‘A’.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PujvRmxvtao


12 posted on 04/02/2012 3:48:47 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: humblegunner

Depending on her settings, not anyone can see it. Thus her employer asking for her login.

No reason to be a smart ass.


13 posted on 04/02/2012 3:51:44 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: carriage_hill

IP address


14 posted on 04/02/2012 3:52:46 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Dallas59

I guess this will depend on what’s in her employment agreement.

I think of an online presence as private property, being asked to relinquish that without a court order is suspect.

I wonder if they or the person pictured asked her to remove it first?


15 posted on 04/02/2012 3:56:32 PM PDT by Kaosinla (The More the Plans Fail. The More the Planners Plan.)
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To: CAluvdubya

Some parents complain about anything at all. When I was a Youth Leader for my church, I received a phone call from the Associate Pastor asking about my Myspace page and expressing concern if there was anything inappropriate on it. Turns out a parent had gone on to my page and a liquor ad popped up (that Myspace put on in their ad banner, not me). So the parent called the Pastor expressing great concern that I was “promoting” alcohol to the teens in the Youth Group. When of course I wouldn’t do anything at all like that, nor could I choose which ads were placed on the site. So yes, I got the blame for this supposed “pushing of alcohol”. It happens. And yes, parents will call on it.


16 posted on 04/02/2012 3:58:47 PM PDT by richmwill
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To: humblegunner

“Personal responsibility is a bitch.”
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Yes, but this story is quite confusing as it seems to go beyond a simple infraction of posting an improper photo, in which case she could be subject to whatever punishment.

What does her password have to do with anything?
It would be like demanding the password to my Email accounts,
in which case I would tell them to go suck an egg.


17 posted on 04/02/2012 4:04:13 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Kaosinla
I just looked at Facebook's Terms of Service agreement. It would be a violation of that agreement to share your password; as it should be. This employers is out of line and I'm betting will face a wrongful termination suit.

From the terms of service...

You will not share your password, (or in the case of developers, your secret key), let anyone else access your account, or do anything else that might jeopardize the security of your account.

18 posted on 04/02/2012 4:10:37 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: Longbow1969

—Passwords to favorite political forums?—

There is a semblance of anonymity there anyway. I know it’s easy enough to find out if they really want to, but if they asked for my password I would say “Cuban leaf? Who’s that?”


19 posted on 04/02/2012 4:11:29 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: EEGator

I have two facebook accounts. One has no friends at all. :-)


20 posted on 04/02/2012 4:13:22 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: TomGuy
If she posted to Facebook from elsewhere, she call tell them to suck eggs, and sue them for wrongful termination.

Maybe not. If my employer came across any posts on Facebook or another forum (even if posted from my own home) that: (1) was obviously posted under my own name and identity, and (2) cast a bad impression on my company among people who know me as an employee of the firm ... then they would have every right to fire me.

21 posted on 04/02/2012 4:16:26 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: EEGator

Did Bumblegunner get a dose of his own “personal responsibility?

Humblegunner:
This account has been banned or suspended.

I am not sure if it is funny or strange.


22 posted on 04/02/2012 4:17:36 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: cuban leaf

Is the second one for crazy pics, your employer, or for creepin’?


23 posted on 04/02/2012 4:19:29 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: AlexW
What does her password have to do with anything?

I guess that would depend upon where the irresponsible little tart works.

If she's inclined to be talking crap about co-workers, then she might also be inclined to be giving out proprietary information.

Or security-sensitive information. Who knows what the tart might do.

Getting fired is about the mildest thing she should expect.

24 posted on 04/02/2012 4:20:02 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: AlexW

As long as you’ve been here, you should know it’s considered very bad form to talk about folks without pinging them.


25 posted on 04/02/2012 4:22:55 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: AlexW

I think that is a fake banned screen that he put as a joke. You can’t click the okay button.

It does bother me how some conservatives believe this is okay for employers to do. Where does it end?


26 posted on 04/02/2012 4:23:06 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: humblegunner

I guess ping to #26.


27 posted on 04/02/2012 4:26:10 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: humblegunner

To be fair, he thought you were banned. Why would he ping a banned person?


28 posted on 04/02/2012 4:27:55 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Longbow1969

1984 big brother fascist society coming true.


29 posted on 04/02/2012 4:29:10 PM PDT by citizen (Santorum: Man up, stop being selfish and get the hell out. Dragging this thing out only helps Obama.)
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To: CAluvdubya
"What is wrong with the stupid parent for complaining about something like this? Surely there must be more to this story.... " Maybe it was really the parent's shoes and bunched up pants.
30 posted on 04/02/2012 4:29:36 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: humblegunner

“I guess that would depend upon where the irresponsible little tart works.
If she’s inclined to be talking crap about co-workers, then she might also be inclined to be giving out proprietary information.
Or security-sensitive information. Who knows what the tart might do.”
________________________________________________________

That is a awful lot of supposition on your part.
If that is true, she could well be subject to being fired,
and probably should be, but that has nothing to do with the issue of demanding her password.


31 posted on 04/02/2012 4:35:06 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: EEGator; AlexW
Why would he ping a banned person?

Perhaps for the same reason he would misspell someone's name when he thought they were safely banned and couldn't respond.

That would be because he's a weak-assed coward, unless I miss my guess.

32 posted on 04/02/2012 4:35:34 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Dallas59
This trend of employers demanding passwords to electronic accounts/activities not conducted during working hours, and not using company property, needs to be settled legally, and not allowed.

OTOH, if any company or government computers or Internet accounts were used, it is obviously perfectly legal for those employers to demand full password protected access to any electronic records generated from their resources.

So this case could go either way.

33 posted on 04/02/2012 4:38:46 PM PDT by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: AlexW

That’s a joke added to his account page. If it were real, you wouldn’t see any flag, links, date of sign up, etc.


34 posted on 04/02/2012 4:41:26 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Newt says, "A nominee that depresses turnout won't beat Barack Obama.")
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To: EEGator

Okay, thanks; didn’t know that.


35 posted on 04/02/2012 4:46:34 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: Dallas59
but a parent who's on her Facebook friend list saw the image and reported it to Frank Squires Elementary where Hester was employed, prompting the investigation.

I hate snitches!
36 posted on 04/02/2012 4:46:58 PM PDT by microgood
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To: carriage_hill

No problem. :)


37 posted on 04/02/2012 4:48:15 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Dallas59
Is there anything an employer can't demand of an employee as a condition of continued employment, not specifically spelled out in a contract? Can he ask for the keys to your house? Demand that you sleep with him? Marry him? Turn over your firstborn to him?
38 posted on 04/02/2012 4:52:43 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: hummingbird
Maybe it was really the parent's shoes and bunched up pants.

Bwahahaha! That must be it!

39 posted on 04/02/2012 4:54:32 PM PDT by CAluvdubya
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To: Kaosinla
It's interesting to me to read others opinions of an employee's online presence in relation to employers. I feel the same way you do. An online presence belongs to the individual not the employer. It was mine before I took this job and will be mine long after I'm gone. However I also feel that if the employer doesn't like some part of your online presence they can request you change it or fire you if they feel it makes the company look bad.

The company I work for decided that senior management on up needed to have LinkedIn accounts and went about making them for anyone that didn't already have one. When they tried to make one in my name they found out I already had an account. They requested my credentials for some still unknown reason and I refused. It got pretty tense, but I decided my online presence was mine and I wasn't going to surrender it even if it meant termination. I felt that if they had a problem with the content in this account they could bring it to my attention and I would decide if I was willing to change it to remain employed with them.

I guess they decided I was beneficial enough to the company that they could overlook it because they eventually dropped the subject.

40 posted on 04/02/2012 4:54:36 PM PDT by Usually_Disappointed (I think the tree of liberty is getting thirsty...)
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To: TomGuy

She probably took the picture and posted to FB with her Iphone. Computers are so 20th century.


41 posted on 04/02/2012 4:54:48 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: richmwill
I've been a teacher's aide for many years and yes, unfortunately, parents do indeed complain about the oddest of things.

I think some have too much time on their hands. I'm not talking about reasonable complaints but the ones like you stated.

42 posted on 04/02/2012 4:57:05 PM PDT by CAluvdubya
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To: humblegunner

You may want to switch to decaf.


43 posted on 04/02/2012 4:57:19 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
You may want to switch to decaf.

Or perhaps sniveling weasels should switch to not trashing folks they assume cannot respond.

Did that occur to you?

44 posted on 04/02/2012 5:00:14 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

No it didn’t. I was trying to lighten up the thread.


45 posted on 04/02/2012 5:06:50 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Dallas59; All
The parent is clearly not a "friend" to the teacher's aide.

I oppose the move by employers to demand "social network" passwords as a condition of employment. At a minimum, it's a violation of the network's terms of service.

With that in mind, from an employer's viewpoint, if you hand it over what does that say about your trustworthiness regarding other agreements.

46 posted on 04/02/2012 5:06:50 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Newt says, "A nominee that depresses turnout won't beat Barack Obama.")
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To: EEGator
I was trying to lighten up the thread.

Oh.

Let me help.


47 posted on 04/02/2012 5:11:10 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

In my state (nc) an employer can fire an employee for any reason or no reason, just not a discriminatory or illegal reason (demanding sex or giving up a child would fit that). Similarly an employee can quit for any reason, apparently even a discriminatory one, such as the race of your boss. Smart employees and employers see each other’s value.


48 posted on 04/02/2012 5:12:48 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: humblegunner

That is either a funny reply, or you are a very bitter person...


49 posted on 04/02/2012 5:15:02 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Could be both.

It’s bitterly funny.


50 posted on 04/02/2012 5:19:25 PM PDT by humblegunner
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