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Who cried out?
02-April-2012 | Ron Pickrell

Posted on 04/02/2012 8:27:45 PM PDT by pickrell

The latest report from the coroner is that Martin's body didn't show any evidence, of any sort, of being in a fight. No bruising or anything else.

The latest photos of Zimmerman show lacerations and bruising on the back of his head, stark testimony of being struck from behind, or else having his head impacted on something hard, such as the ground, when he was lying down.

Someone called out "Help, help!"

Considering human nature, I wonder whether it was more likely that the person desperately calling for help was the one receiving the beatings and bruising... or the one with "... no sign of being in a fight that I could see..."

Someone in that fight got the worst of it- quite possibly the one without anger issues to spur instant adrenalin. Someone else got the least of it- quite possibly someone with serious anger issues.

I wonder...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: martin; trayvonmartin; vanity; zimmerman

1 posted on 04/02/2012 8:27:55 PM PDT by pickrell
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To: pickrell

Latest photos of Zimmerman? Oh wow, where is that?


2 posted on 04/02/2012 8:32:19 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between lose and loose.)
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To: pickrell

MSNBC is down to this. The only thing they’ve got left.


3 posted on 04/02/2012 8:32:50 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: pickrell

What coroner report? Do you have a link?


4 posted on 04/02/2012 8:33:08 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: pickrell
Should we have to wonder if you have issues as well?
6 posted on 04/02/2012 8:34:25 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: pickrell

If Martin jumped Zimmerman from behind and threw him to the ground, Martin wouldn’t have any bruises on his body. Or what is on his hands is another question if he hit Zimmerman. Zimmerman’s face showed scratched. Now, from who or what? DNA under Martin’s nails would solve some of this question.

Alternatively, Martin could have suddenly charged Zimmerman, pushing him background into a fall in which he hit his head on the concrete, grass, soil, etc.

Hopefully the EMT wrote this up in his report.

If Zimmerman charged Martin, his weight would have knocked Martin down and Martin might have had some kind of marks on his head, coat, etc.

Won’t know until a full forensic’s report is released, or a grand jury report.

Still nothing on gunshot residue issue.

Best thing for us to do is to shut up until all the evidence is in. Too many people have made fools out of themselves in this case, and I don’t intend to be one of them.


7 posted on 04/02/2012 8:39:36 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Or what is on his hands is another question if he hit Zimmerman.

One thing to consider is the fact that bruising (on knuckles, etc.) takes a while - and requires blood pressure.

8 posted on 04/02/2012 8:45:06 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: pickrell

How about this: the guy yelling “help help” was the one the witness saw yelling “help help.”

That was Zimmerman.


9 posted on 04/02/2012 8:47:01 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: pickrell

http://i40.tinypic.com/34erser.jpg

10 posted on 04/02/2012 8:47:29 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: House Atreides

I don’t think it was the coroner. I think it was the funeral director/undertaker. Not the same thing.


11 posted on 04/02/2012 8:47:40 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Sure, the forensic reports will clear up many issues, distance of shot fired, angle of projectile, blood residue, etc.

TM could have been shot from a distance and that still would be a self defense shooting, the issues will come if GZ has any statements that contradict the forensic evidence.

12 posted on 04/02/2012 8:50:12 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: festusbanjo

Where did this come from?


13 posted on 04/02/2012 8:51:54 PM PDT by badpacifist (stupid people are dangerous)
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To: pickrell

I don’t think the coroner has released the report yet. What you are referring to is probably statements made by the dumb ass Funeral Home Director.


14 posted on 04/02/2012 8:53:00 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: bolobaby
How about this: the guy yelling “help help” was the one the witness saw yelling “help help.”

That was Zimmerman.

Or - How about this: the guy yelling "help help" was the one who told the police he was yelling for help and no one would help him.

That was also Zimmerman. Direct quote per on the scene police report:

"Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid by the SFD. While the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I over heard him state 'I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me.' At no point did I question Zimmerman about the incident that had taken place. Once Zimmerman was cleared by the SFD, he was transported to the Sanford Police Department."

15 posted on 04/02/2012 9:02:42 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: pickrell

Frankly, I am sick and tired of hearing about this. This is not the most important thing going on. Our country is going down the toilet bowl and all we want to do is discuss this issue. The news media is playing everyone on this and all the hype is intended to take the focus away from our communist-in-chief and all his wrong doing. Well, I’m not falling for it. This case is no different than a 1000 other similar ones this year, but the Dems and Dem media are using it to their advantage, just fanning the flames.


16 posted on 04/02/2012 9:06:45 PM PDT by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: pickrell

On another thread, some posters are saying that the body does not bruise after death. I have no idea if that theory is correct or not.

But, a funeral director was the one who claimed the body had no bruises, and he specifically mentioned Martin’s knuckles. Zimmerman claims Martin punched him. So, the lack of bruising doesn’t necessarily support Zimmerman’s story.


17 posted on 04/02/2012 9:17:45 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: pickrell

The arrogant thugg attacked Zimmerman.. George shot his ass..
End of story..

Zimmerman family ought sue Sharpton and Jackson.. and MSNBC..
and several other people and corporations.. They need to lawyer up..


18 posted on 04/02/2012 9:17:56 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Shethink13
While the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I over heard him state 'I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me.'

Good point. I heard that in the first report I heard about this whole fiasco when it broke as a news item.

19 posted on 04/02/2012 9:30:10 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time to WEAN the government off of our money.)
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To: Shethink13

Unbelievable. You would think this would be obvious (the point you make) but no. I expect libs to fall for this crap, but not Freepers. I was wrong about that...there are a lot of them who can’t see the obvious.

Just like the dummies on here who are saying strings were pulled for Zimmerman because his father was a magistrate or some crap like that. I can just see the conversation now:

DETECTIVE: “Hey, this guy we took into custody for the shooting, his name is Zimmerman. He says his dad is a former magistrate.”

DISTRICT ATTORNEY: “Really? Zimmerman, you say?”

DETECTIVE: “Yeah.”

DISTRICT ATTORNEY: (Speaking to others) “Hey. Anyone here know this Zimmerman guy or his dad?”

ASSISTANT DA 1: “No.”

ASSISTANT DA 2: “Umm...no.”

ASSISTANT DA 3: “Who?”

DISTRICT ATTORNEY: “Well, we gotta find out who this guy is. You, do a Google search on him. YOU, find out if he is important. We have to find out if this Zimmerman guy is one of ours...”

ASSISTANT DA 2: “What do we do if he is “one of ours”?”

DISTRICT ATTORNEY: “What, is this day one of your new job, or what? If he is “one of ours”, we can’t risk having him go down for this. Get the investigators on the case to scrub their story and make it more palatable so it won’t look like we are letting one of our buddies off. Talk to the EMTs, get their medical reports, and have them re-written.”

ASSISTANT DA 3: “Ummm, sir...the people there are saying guy is a no-count SOB who is reputed to be a rent-a-cop wannabe, pushing his agenda all over the condo association there...they say he shows up at meetings with a rottweiler and a gun! And there are witnesses all over...”

DISTRICT ATTORNEY: “DO I HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING MYSELF AROUND HERE? I DON’T WANT ANY CHARGES FILED AGAINST THIS ZIMBERLAND GUY!”

ASSISTANT DA 1: “Sir, his name is ‘Zimmerman’, not ‘Zimberland’ and his dad is a famous magistrate up in Fairfax, Virginia. He is very well connected with the DC crowd.”

DISTRICT ATTORNEY: “See? What did I tell you. Come on, folks. The night is getting long. Get this thing scrubbed so we can release this guy.”


20 posted on 04/02/2012 9:38:59 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: rlmorel

... being overrun by Mobys ...


21 posted on 04/02/2012 10:15:15 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the favorite tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Zimmerman was given first aid at the scene. There will be first hand information about his injuries.

As far as Martin, his objective was to take out Zimmerman with a single blow. In this case Zimmerman’s nose took most of the shock. Once you start bleeding from the nose, it is very hard to breathe and it is very hard to fight. If Martin was on top, the most Zimmerman could do was get off the concrete so his head would hit grass as Martin bashed his head. Unfortunately, the squirming also revealed the concealed 9 mm. That is where I speculate a battle for the control of the gun was initiated. No injuries to Martin in this scuffle for the gun. However, when the gun went off, any further injuries would have ended. My speculation says that Martin received minimal injuries.

When I was younger, two of my classmates got in a baseball bat fight on the school’s baseball field. One of them got his nose broke with a baseball bat. He bled violently but was able to get the bleeding to stop. This is what I believe took place with Zimmerman. The first aid was able to control the bleeding and those videos at the police station would not have shown the blood from the nose like everyone expected. However, the enhanced ABC News video did show the gashes on the head.


22 posted on 04/02/2012 11:04:14 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: jonrick46
Unfortunately, the squirming also revealed the concealed 9 mm.

And you know this how? I read a report that it was a KelTec. There are two KelTec 9mm models, the PF9 and the P11. I have a PF9, it fits in a pocket, but if worn inside the waistband, even pulling up the shirt would probably not reveal it in any obvious way. I speculate, and it is speculation, that Zimmerman was in fear of his life, or great bodily injury, accessed the pistol, and lawfully shot his attacker.

But the evidence will show if the shot was fired at contact or near contact range, where exactly the bullet entered, and where it came out, if it did.

23 posted on 04/03/2012 12:06:59 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: jonrick46

Alternatively, Martin abruptly confronted (legally) Zimmerman, who reacted (reasonably and legally) by drawing his weapon.

In (reasonable) fear for his life when a strange man draws a gun on him, Martin jumps Zimmerman (in legitimate self-defense) and attempts to obtain control of the weapon.

During the frantic struggle over the gun it goes off and Martin dies.

Under this scenario neither party behaved illegally in any way. It is every bit as feasible as yours. If Martin had been the survivor he could have legitimately claimed self-defense.

I don’t claim that it IS what happened because I just don’t know.

There is of course a third option in which Zimmerman assaulted Martin then brought the gun into play when he started losing. In which case self-defense wouldn’t apply.


24 posted on 04/03/2012 1:01:26 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: El Gato

The range at which the gun was fired is very useful information. It will eliminate the claim that Zimmerman gunned Martin down at a distance.

It cannot show who started the fight that led to the shooting.


25 posted on 04/03/2012 1:04:13 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: pickrell

Screaming seems an extremely unlikely reaction to being held at gunpoint. Wouldn’t you call for help or try to talk calmly to the guy with the gun?

Screaming is a more likely response to being in physical pain or in a struggle.


26 posted on 04/03/2012 1:06:43 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Shethink13; pickrell

Or the EYEwitness named “John” (not just sound like so many of them were) that walked by them fighting, Zimmerman, on the bottom, cried out help, John told them “Stop - I’m going to call 911”. He went inside his house right there, but by the time he called 911 the gun had already been fired.


27 posted on 04/03/2012 1:36:37 AM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Sherman Logan

Very interesting scenario. I still believe the sucker punch thown by Martin is the way the confrontation began. This may have almost knocked Zimmerman out and certainly put him on the ground. The struggle between the two men was on the ground.


28 posted on 04/03/2012 9:17:42 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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