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EPA moves closer to OK of 15 percent ethanol gasoline
Fuel Fix ^ | April 2, 2012 | Associated Press

Posted on 04/03/2012 5:03:01 AM PDT by thackney

The federal government announced Monday it has taken a step toward wide distribution of gasoline mixed with 15 percent ethanol by allowing manufacturers to register as suppliers.

While the EPA is moving the process forward by allowing the registration, E15 still must clear another set of federal tests and become a registered fuel in individual states. Ethanol makers then must convince petroleum marketers to sell it at gas stations.

Most ethanol fuel sold for passenger cars and pickups today is 10 percent ethanol and 90 percent gas. The new blend that boosts ethanol to 15 percent would only be sold for use in 2001 and newer vehicles.

(Excerpt) Read more at fuelfix.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigcorn; e15; energy; ethanol; gasoline; gasprices; petrol
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1 posted on 04/03/2012 5:03:05 AM PDT by thackney
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To: thackney

We should be trying to rid ourselves of the crap. Hopefully we will be able to join with NH in going back to real gasoline.


2 posted on 04/03/2012 5:05:45 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: thackney

Does this mean that I can sue the EPA ....for damage to my car’s internal combustion system?


3 posted on 04/03/2012 5:09:15 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

New Hampshire still sells gasoline with ethanol.

I don’t know if their house bill passed the senate, but even if it does, it won’t take affect until two other states pass a similar bill.

http://www.salemnews.com/region/x579807975/NH-House-Ban-ethanol-in-gasoline


4 posted on 04/03/2012 5:10:36 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Yech!


5 posted on 04/03/2012 5:11:28 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: thackney

$hit dont burn.


6 posted on 04/03/2012 5:13:15 AM PDT by allmost
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

The New Hampshire bill is still in committee in their senate.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/bill_status.aspx?lsr=2731&sy=2012&sortoption=&txtsessionyear=2012&txtbillnumber=HB1214


7 posted on 04/03/2012 5:15:15 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Ethanol at 10% has ruined all my small engines on my yard equipment. The engines surge constantly and eventually lose power and quit. I’ve had to change carburetors every 2 to 5 years. At that age, the carbs and surrounding areas are always wet with gas caused by the rubber deterioration. The ethanol also has an affinity for water and I’ve seen rust in the bowls of the carbs that were replaced. The shop I go to now sells two stroke engine fuel (gas + oil premixed) without ethanol plus some inhibitors in quart-size sealed metal cans for $22/gallon! (sic) I’m actually trying it on my string trimmer. Next step is to go to the nearby marina and buy marine gas which apparently does not have ethanol in it.

The equipment shops are besieged with complaints about engine problems and life these days.

This is the biggest boondoggle ever and does nothing for the air, for fuel economy, for equipment maintenance costs and diverts precious arable land to growing fuel crops. It is pure insanity. If only we had politicians with the balls to stop this crap.


8 posted on 04/03/2012 5:15:54 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: thackney

I forgot, ethanol is a good idea ... because...???


9 posted on 04/03/2012 5:20:43 AM PDT by Coffee... Black... No Sugar (I'm gonna' BICKER!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

>> Ethanol at 10% has ruined all my small engines on my yard equipment &etc

Wow. I feel like you’ve been looking over my shoulder or something. This has been my small engine experience as well, right down to the eight dollar a quart “moto-mix”! Thanks for the marine fuel tip though. I wonder if aviation gas is similarly free of ethanol.

>> It is pure insanity.

Yep. At least my truck and farm equipment are all diesel; even so, I’ve been seeing “10% bio-diesel” stickers on some fuel pumps, Wal-Mart’s for example, so that damned green revolution even infecting diesel. Biodiesel is hard on certain rubber components too. At least biodiesel’s lubricity is better than the typical ultra-low-sulfur diesel you buy at the pump, so you get *some* benefit from it.


10 posted on 04/03/2012 5:27:41 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Coffee... Black... No Sugar

>> I forgot, ethanol is a good idea ... because...???

Well, Archer Daniel Midland’s *shareholders* like it. :-)

Oh, and pols from corn states are pretty happy about it too.


11 posted on 04/03/2012 5:29:18 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: thackney
Great. Not only is gas well above $4/gallon here ($4.39 yesterday) I'm now going to get even less MPG because some UNELECTED GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT dictates 15% ethanol.

Hey Obama, tell me again about these "unelected" bureaucrats ruining all our lives again? You hypocritical SOB.

12 posted on 04/03/2012 5:33:16 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
“Ethanol at 10% has ruined all my small engines on my yard equipment. The engines surge constantly and eventually lose power and quit. I’ve had to change carburetors every 2 to 5 years...”

You have my sympathy on the small engine problems with your yard gear. So far, I've had no problems with my 2 year to 6 month old engines and hope that holds up.

I will say though that it is BS on the engine manufacturer's part that they have apparently not done the small specification changes (mainly materials used for elastomers, fuel lines and such). Whoever is working on your engines should be up on the exact materials needed and just switch out his replacement parts inventory, unless he is just trying to assure a greater amount of repeat business. 10 or 15 years ago when ethanol in gasoline was phasing in, I can understand the tangled up mess of fuel system materials and incompatibilities, no excuse now though.

If you have a drag strip or airport close by, it would be lots cheaper to get some racing grade fuel or aviation gas than that outrageous $22/gallon stuff. Robbery!

13 posted on 04/03/2012 5:34:22 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: thackney

Some reservations sell EtOH-free gas.

I paid $3.789/gal on 3/27.


14 posted on 04/03/2012 5:35:15 AM PDT by seton89 (Are the Ten Commandments a living document?)
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To: thackney
This helps the conspiracy. Introduce a higher % of ethanol in gasoline which reduces the MPG, which leads to pushing more electric cars, which reinforces the Regime's anti-freedom plans, and supports gubmint-owned car makers. It's all part of the same plan to screw Americans.
15 posted on 04/03/2012 5:39:23 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: thackney

Goodie.
Something 50% worse than
the 100% worse we got before.
And we’re doin’ this why????


16 posted on 04/03/2012 5:40:09 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: thackney

Little Boy Blue, come blow your horn;
The sheep’s in the meadow and
EPA’s in our corn!


17 posted on 04/03/2012 5:44:14 AM PDT by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Ethanol at 10% has ruined all my small engines on my yard equipment. The engines surge constantly and eventually lose power and quit.

I bought a new lawn mower last year and I've had to replace the spark plug and take the carb out and clean it.

I put the additive into the gas to keep it from doing a vapor lock but this ethanol really destroys these engines that are only used on occasions.

My snow blower coughs and sputters and it is because of the ethanol.

18 posted on 04/03/2012 5:44:23 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: thackney

This will make a bad situation worse. Do you think prices will be lowered when 15% ethanol is added instead of 10%? I don’t. So now, by summer, we’ll have $5 per gallon “gasoline” that gives fewer miles to the gallon than the “gasoline” at $1.82 did when Obama was immaculated.


19 posted on 04/03/2012 5:49:13 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Hootowl99

Agreed. Ethanol has been around for enough years that the small engine makers have no excuse for not adapting.


20 posted on 04/03/2012 5:49:30 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: Nervous Tick

I buy 100ll avgas for my yard equipment and my R/C plane engines. I get it at the local airport. They have a 5 gal. minimum purchase which is no big deal for me.


21 posted on 04/03/2012 5:54:03 AM PDT by dis.kevin (Dry white toast)
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To: thackney

I’d love to know the true cost per gallon of this ethanol crap, adjusted for lost milage, when compared with undiluted gasoline.


22 posted on 04/03/2012 6:00:04 AM PDT by papertyger (The Unwritten Beatitude: Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not be broken.)
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To: thackney

Mine is 2003...and says 10 and no more.


23 posted on 04/03/2012 6:00:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SumProVita
Does this mean that I can sue the EPA ....for damage to my car’s internal combustion system?

Just buy a Volt. You must be one of those people who Obama referred to as "driving an old beater." Isn't it funny how the ministry of propaganda never focused on Obama's derisive comment about people who don't or can't buy a new car? I wonder what that same ministry of propaganda would have done had Romney, or any pubbie, said the same thing?

Mark

24 posted on 04/03/2012 6:02:21 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: thackney

the Feds must be hurtin’ on the decline of the Federal gas tax receipts...


25 posted on 04/03/2012 6:14:06 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: thackney

Since Ethanol adds sticky varnish to the fuel system of internal combustion engines, should Ethanol be banned by Congress?

BTW, should Congress also abolish the EPA?


26 posted on 04/03/2012 6:28:51 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: thackney

Meanwhile, after watching station after station drop their ethanol-free gas for the last few years, it is slowly creeping back in. With the end of the subsidy, at least one chain around here has hinted that they may bring back E-0.


27 posted on 04/03/2012 6:31:25 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: thackney
Maybe I'm confused, but isn't alcohol free gas still at the pump. Maybe it depends on the state. In my state, you can still buy the more expensive grade without the alcohol. Even though it's a dime more, I usually buy it for vehicles because I figure the mileage offsets the dime, and I never put ethanol into any small engine or my boat.
28 posted on 04/03/2012 6:31:49 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: thackney

Intended to turn your car into a clunker. So we can run another Cash for Clunkers program.


29 posted on 04/03/2012 6:35:58 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: throwback

Some Missouri stations (outside St. L) advertise premium as straight gasoline. It’s $.20-$.22/gallon over regular gas.


30 posted on 04/03/2012 6:42:06 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Try Startron fuel treatment. This is a blue liquid that you should be able to buy at your local Stihl small engine dealer. The only other one that works is the Marine Grade of Stabil fuel treatment. These two I have found to be the best products to eliminate the ethanol problems.

However, the only foolproof cure is to empty all the fuel out of your small engines IF they are going to sit for more than 2-3 weeks. Never leave fuel in a machine ,even with stablizer for more than a month. I dump the fuel back into the can and run them dry. In the case of a snowblower/lawn tractor make sure you drain the bowl on the carburator and then run them dry. You may have to prime them to get them going again but it will elimate rebuilding of carburators and dissolving of fuel lines.

My 2 Cents from years of experience and mutual frustrations.

Lastly, Zama and Walburton carbs are so cheap now, it is usually cheaper to replace them than try rebuilding them.


31 posted on 04/03/2012 6:50:45 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: dis.kevin
I buy 100ll avgas for my yard equipment and my R/C plane engines. I get it at the local airport.

I may give that a try, thanks for sharing.

32 posted on 04/03/2012 6:54:33 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Some Missouri stations (outside St. L) advertise premium as straight gasoline. It’s $.20-$.22/gallon over regular gas.

There's a station within 2 miles of me that sells non ethanol at 5¢ higher than ethanol. (Central Illinois)

Since I discovered it, I'm thinking of going back to gasoline operated leaf blower and weed eater. When I had them before, they would last one season and the second season they would wear my arm out trying to crank them so I switched to electric. Dragging that extension cord around is a pain but they do start every time.

33 posted on 04/03/2012 6:58:17 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Haggai 1, V6.. and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. (My plight))
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To: throwback
Maybe it depends on the state. In my state, you can still buy the more expensive grade without the alcohol.

Are you sure that is what you are getting, or just the rumor?

In areas that require reformulated gasoline for smog, it is either going to still be MTBE (outlawed in some states) or ethanol.


34 posted on 04/03/2012 6:59:52 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: dis.kevin

>> avgas for my yard equipment

Good idea! Thanks for sharing it.


35 posted on 04/03/2012 7:02:09 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

That’s interesting. Looks like it depends on how big the nanny state is that you live in. I’m in NE, so you’d think it would be mandatory here with the farm lobby, but the Republicans here haven’t completely lost their minds yet (although they’re on their way). I use to live close to Oregon (across the river). They’re completely nuts there. I just hope I don’t live too long, because this country is tanking fast.


36 posted on 04/03/2012 7:02:12 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: throwback; All

Sorry, I posted an out of date map.

Here is the current version in pdf form. More states and areas now require ethanol.

http://www.exxon.com/USA-English/GFM/Files/US_Gasoline_Map.pdf


37 posted on 04/03/2012 7:03:43 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Tatze

I pay my kids $10 for each no-ethanol gas station they spot near home or if we’re traveling and I need gas and $5 for each one when we’re traveling.


38 posted on 04/03/2012 7:15:47 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: thackney

They are trying to destroy our ability to travel freely, in case you haven’t noticed.


39 posted on 04/03/2012 7:23:02 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I’ve seen some no-ethanol stations in southern Missouri, too. They’re tagged on my GPS.


40 posted on 04/03/2012 7:28:29 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: MarkL

Why would I EVER buy a Volt?

Electricity rates are due to *skyrocket.*
The dang car costs too much.


41 posted on 04/03/2012 7:29:33 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

General aviation/local airport


42 posted on 04/03/2012 7:33:19 AM PDT by sasquatch
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To: thackney
"...The new blend that boosts ethanol to 15 percent would only be sold for use in 2001 and newer vehicles."

I beg to differ. My 2006 Mazda and my wife's 2011 Ford Escape hybrid both clearly state in the owners manual that no more than 10% ethanol blends can be used. On my wife's Ford there is even a warning on the gasoline filler that says not add more than 10% ethanol blends. The only vehicles where it might be safe to use a 15% ethanol blend are those with flex-fuel designation. If this 15% ethanol crap is foisted on the public who will pay for the damages caused to engines and fuel systems or the warranties voided by its use?

43 posted on 04/03/2012 7:33:59 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: thackney
That's interesting thanks. I assume oxygenated fuels means ethanol only at the pump. I thought I heard Oregon was going that way up there. Really upsetting when you know what it does to some engines. I have $5k+ outboard I'd just as soon not destroy. The environmentalists are making life unlivable, but that's probably the intention.
44 posted on 04/03/2012 7:51:30 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: thackney

I think this is about generating more taxes.

Since my vehicle will get less miles per gallon, then I will need to buy more gallons of gas and which means I pay more taxes on every additional gallon of engine damaging ethanol blend gas they push.


45 posted on 04/03/2012 7:52:40 AM PDT by ThE_RiPpEr.
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To: throwback
. I assume oxygenated fuels means ethanol only at the pump.

In some area, MTBE is still used.

46 posted on 04/03/2012 8:26:52 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I’m not a fan of this government mandate crap, but to some extent you have it wrong... small amounts of ethanol in moderation help keep intake and exhaust valves clean, and in carbureted engines allow you to run advanced timing with less risk of detonation. the numbers they’re talking about scare me though, and still a no go for small engines like mowers...


47 posted on 04/04/2012 9:06:34 PM PDT by Schwaeky (The Republic--Shall be reorganized into the first American EMPIRE, for a safe and secure Society!)
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To: MarkL

Obama’s a jerk. Even when he wasn’t in politics he never had to live in the real world like you or i because he had everything handed to him on a silver platter pretty much his whole life, all the while being force fed, and later force feeding others, socialism and environmentalism.

Why yes, Mr. President, I do drive an “old beater.” Two actually. Thanks to your recession and your policies and gas prices being what they are, I let the wife have the nice car (a pre-bailout 06 Lucerne), while I alternate between my papaw’s old 86 Caprice and my hot rod Olds Cutlass. Yeah can’t afford a 2012/2013 car like the limo liberal set.. AND IF YOUR 15% ETHANOL GAS BLOWS ANY OF MY ENGINES UP, I WILL SUE THE CRAP OUT OF THE EPA... Have a nice day Mr. President...


48 posted on 04/04/2012 9:22:55 PM PDT by Schwaeky (The Republic--Shall be reorganized into the first American EMPIRE, for a safe and secure Society!)
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To: Schwaeky
but to some extent you have it wrong...

Yeah, I don't think so. This is Maine, just like WA, when it isn't raining...it's foggy. The alcohol draws water out of the humid air which goes into the underground tanks at gas stations as you pump out the gas. They don't have driers on the tank vents.

small amounts of ethanol in moderation help keep intake and exhaust valves clean, and in carbureted engines allow you to run advanced timing with less risk of detonation.

So does water...and it's free.

the numbers they’re talking about scare me though

10 and 15% is no small amount, in a wet climate. Plus it noticably lowers your mileage, and at 4 bucks a gallon...that sucks.

and still a no go for small engines like mowers...

That's the least of our problems...I haven't had a bit of trouble with small engines or running problems on any equipment. It doesn't hurt to run a little diesel in the gas.

49 posted on 04/04/2012 10:12:47 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Nervous Tick
“I wonder if aviation gas is similarly free of ethanol.”

Avgas is 120 octane leaded gasoline without alcohol.

It's not legal for them to sell it to you in a can, only pumped into your aircraft tank.

If you know someone with an airplane you might be able to get them to drain some out for you!

50 posted on 04/04/2012 10:18:19 PM PDT by dalereed
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