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Calderon says U.S. should follow Mexico's example on health care
Politico ^ | April 3, 2012 | Byron Tau

Posted on 04/04/2012 5:14:54 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

Mexican president Felipe Calderón had a message for Americans: Check out Mexico's health care system.

In a joint appearance with President Obama and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Calderón held up Mexico's health care system as a possible model if the Supreme Court strikes down the Affordable Care Act.

“Full, free health care coverage for all people up to 18 years of age,” Calderón said Tuesday, via a translator, about his country's system. “I would hope that one of the greatest countries in the world could follow our example

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: calderon; healthcare

1 posted on 04/04/2012 5:15:02 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

if it is so perfect, why do so many of Mexico’s people come over the border for our medical care?


2 posted on 04/04/2012 5:16:47 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Do they turn away illegals looking for medical treatment?


3 posted on 04/04/2012 5:17:27 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

And then you will work for the government and you will get food and and a shack. Then you save for ten years and buy a 20 year old car....and go on vacation....to the other side of the island.


4 posted on 04/04/2012 5:18:12 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Well that settles it for me.

I am tired of the leaders of that sh!thole country called Mexico coming up here an giving us advice.

If it such a workers utopia why are tens of millions of its citizens living here?


5 posted on 04/04/2012 5:18:12 AM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

they shoot illegals on sight.


6 posted on 04/04/2012 5:20:02 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Idi Obama: Oh No! Kagan called and said Obamacare is DOA!

Quick! Invite Mexico and Canada to appear with me to tell how wonderful socialized medicine is in their countries!

Emperor Flopsweat strikes again!

7 posted on 04/04/2012 5:23:40 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Did he say it with a straight face?

Yeah, let's use Mexico as our model.


8 posted on 04/04/2012 5:24:10 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Yea!We should export all of our citizens to Mexico so they can mooch off of their medical system.Then we can be just as good as them.


9 posted on 04/04/2012 5:25:22 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

The illegals who go to our free clinics say Mexican health care stinks. Maybe we should follow Mexico’s illegal immigrant policy instead? Zero tolerance.


10 posted on 04/04/2012 5:25:49 AM PDT by Pat4ever
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

We’d be better off following Mexico’s example on southern border security and immigration law.


11 posted on 04/04/2012 5:26:40 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: puppypusher

lol, they assume we are all majorly drugged out.


12 posted on 04/04/2012 5:26:57 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
So, Calderon believes in the ninth month of gestation, our pregnant women should swim the Colorado river, cross the Sonoran desert or gather in Brownsville to cross the border and give birth in Mexico? Anchor babies, away!
13 posted on 04/04/2012 5:31:37 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (Barack has a memory like a steel trap; it's a gift ~ Michelle Obama)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Pres Calderon,

We bow to your superior system and will immediately start buying return bus tickets for any illegal mexican in this country seeking medical treatment

meanwhile if any US citizens sneak into Mexico be sure they get the treatment offered by your superior system


14 posted on 04/04/2012 5:34:31 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: x1stcav

Philippe, your house is on fire. Why are you worried about the batteries in our smoke detectors?


15 posted on 04/04/2012 5:36:09 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Calderon.... If it’s not about marijuana, donkey shows or chiclets...STFU!


16 posted on 04/04/2012 5:37:30 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: All

there are just so many things wrong with what this clown said, I don’t know where to begin.
So, we should dump our lower classes into Mexico, create a state sponsored “anchor baby” system sending citizens to Mexico to have children that will automatically get free stuff?

Oh no, that’s right.. you have no rights in Mexico where outsiders can’t get healthcare for free..

The left in America say we have a “class system” where people of color and the indigenous are left out... Mexico is the textbook example of a modern caste system where the dark skinned and indigenous underclass are herded into cities and encouraged to go work in another country because the lighter skinned of European descent want nothing to do with them.


17 posted on 04/04/2012 5:40:39 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Gee...does that include the 1/3 of the country that’s controlled by the Drug cartels?


18 posted on 04/04/2012 5:41:02 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Does he mean we should send our people to another country illegaly so they can steal the money away from them to pay for healthcare at home?


19 posted on 04/04/2012 5:43:00 AM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

It’s to die for.


20 posted on 04/04/2012 5:43:28 AM PDT by Freddd (No PA Engineers)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Interesting how that works. If a wealthy Mexican wants the best heathcare, they come to the US.

If a poor US citizen needs dental work or medications, they go to Mexico.


21 posted on 04/04/2012 5:43:51 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Perhaps we should adopt Mexico's immigration laws first:

UNDER MEXICO’S IMMIGRATION LAW (GENERAL LAW ON POPULATION):

Mexico’s Immigration Law (General Law on Population)

1999

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

- Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)

- Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)

- Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)

- The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

- Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)

- A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

- A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

- Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)

- Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

- Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)

- Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)

- Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico — such as working with out a permit — can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says

- “A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)

- Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)

- Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

- A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)

- Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

UNDER MEXICO’S CONSTITUTION :

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Constitucion de Mexico


Mexico’s Constitution (English translation) -

The Mexican constitution expressly forbids non-citizens to participate in the country’s political life.

Non-citizens are forbidden to participate in demonstrations or express opinions in public about domestic politics.

Article 9 states, “only citizens of the Republic may do so to take part in the political affairs of the country.”

Article 33 is unambiguous: “Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.”

The Mexican constitution denies fundamental property rights to foreigners

If foreigners wish to have certain property rights, they must renounce the protection of their own governments or risk confiscation. Foreigners are forbidden to own land in Mexico within 100 kilometers of land borders or within 50 kilometers of the coast.

Article 27 states, “Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters. The State may grant the same right to foreigners, provided they agree before the Ministry of Foreign Relations to consider themselves as nationals in respect to such property, and bind themselves not to invoke the protection of their governments in matters relating thereto; under penalty, in case of noncompliance with this agreement, of forfeiture of the property acquired to the Nation. Under no circumstances may foreigners acquire direct ownership of lands or waters within a zone of one hundred kilometers along the frontiers and of fifty kilometers along the shores of the country.” (Emphasis added)

The Mexican constitution denies equal employment rights to immigrants, even legal ones, in the public sector

“Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable. In time of peace no foreigner can serve in the Army nor in the police or public security forces.” (Article 32)

The Mexican constitution guarantees that immigrants will never be treated as real Mexican citizens, even if they are legally naturalized.

Article 32 bans foreigners, immigrants, and even naturalized citizens of Mexico from serving as military officers, Mexican-flagged ship and airline crew, and chiefs of seaports and airports:

“In order to belong to the National Navy or the Air Force, and to discharge any office or commission, it is required to be a Mexican by birth. This same status is indispensable for captains, pilots, masters, engineers, mechanics, and in general, for all personnel of the crew of any vessel or airship protected by the Mexican merchant flag or insignia. It is also necessary to be Mexican by birth to discharge the position of captain of the port and all services of practique and airport commandant, as well as all functions of customs agent in the Republic.”

An immigrant who becomes a naturalized Mexican citizen can be stripped of his Mexican citizenship if he lives again in the country of his origin for more than five years, under Article 37. Mexican-born citizens risk no such loss.

The president of Mexico must be a Mexican citizen by birth AND his parents must also be Mexican-born citizens (Article 82),

thus giving secondary status to Mexican-born citizens born of immigrants.

The Mexican constitution singles out “undesirable aliens.”

Article 11 guarantees federal protection against “undesirable aliens resident in the country.”

The Mexican constitution provides the right of private individuals to make citizen’s arrests

Article 16 states, “in cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities.” Therefore, the Mexican constitution appears to grant Mexican citizens the right to arrest illegal aliens and hand them over to police for prosecution.

The Mexican constitution states that foreigners may be expelled for any reason and without due process.

According to Article 33, “the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action.”
22 posted on 04/04/2012 5:44:02 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

We should follow their lead on illegal immigration.


23 posted on 04/04/2012 5:48:04 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I have a friend who is a legal immigrant from Mexico. She is the oldest child in her family, and she says when she was born, her parents chose to go to the “for pay” hospital because they perceived that the care would be better. Of course, the delivery went OK, and all was well.

Fast forward two years, and it's time for the next child to be delivered. They looked back at the cost of going to the hospital and paying or going to the government clinic for “free”.

Even though they were mid-level executives in a successful company and could well afford to pay for the delivery, they chose instead to use the “free” system. Why? Because they wanted to buy a TV with the cash.

And she can't understand why I am opposed to offering “free” healthcare here in America.

24 posted on 04/04/2012 5:48:11 AM PDT by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

> Calderon says U.S. should follow Mexico’s example on health care
This is a joke, right?


25 posted on 04/04/2012 5:56:22 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Hey Dumbass, if you have such a great system, why do 12 million of your people illegally populate our country?


26 posted on 04/04/2012 5:57:07 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: television is just wrong
if it is so perfect, why do so many of Mexico’s people come over the border for our medical care?

A key line item in his own healthcare financial model. Shift x % of national healthcare expenses to 3rd party (namely US taxpayer).

27 posted on 04/04/2012 6:19:03 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Do they turn away illegals looking for medical treatment?

You better believe they do. In fact, if you are just visiting and need medical care you better have insurance or a credit card. Otherwise you are S.O.L.

28 posted on 04/04/2012 6:26:51 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Mexican Healthcare?? Yeah, if I get cancer I'm gonna run right down and get cured!!!!

In July 1980, (Steve)McQueen secretly traveled to Rosarita Beach, Mexico, to be treated by Mexican and American doctors using Dr. Kelley's regimen. He received not only pancreatic enzymes but 50 daily vitamins and minerals, massages, prayer sessions, psychotherapy, coffee enemas and injections of a cell preparation made from sheep and cattle fetuses. McQueen was also given laetrile, a controversial alternative treatment made from apricot pits.

29 posted on 04/04/2012 6:38:43 AM PDT by radioone
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Which model? The nearly broke IMSS?


30 posted on 04/04/2012 6:41:31 AM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Calderon’s Mexico where drug kingpins run everything.

So glad the health care is soooo good in Mexico that illegals cross our border to get seen in our ERs ( for free no less)

what a load.


31 posted on 04/04/2012 6:42:22 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: rightwingintelligentsia; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; spintreebob
>> Full, free health care coverage for all people up to 18 years of age <<

The "conservative" ::chuckles:: President of Mexico weighs in. I remember when freepers were claiming this guy was a "real, unabashed, lifelong conservative" who would be sooooooo much better than Vicente Fox (who they also claimed was a "conservative" when he won back in 2000) I think Mexico has another Presidential election coming up this year. I wonder which "conservative" PAN candidate they will tell us is our buddy this time around? Bill Maher is probably a staunch right-winger by Mexican standards.

Has the media asked Nicholas Sarkozy's opinion yet? France might be the only place where can find "conservative" leaders to the left of Mexico's.

32 posted on 04/04/2012 7:03:32 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Absolute BS. Several years ago I visited a Mexican bario across the border, total poverty, families living in wooden boxes. One kid, about 5 years old, searching for food in the city dump site, fell in to an area that was still burning from when the city set light to it. The city does this at least once a year. His feet were in a bowl of water and the “hospital” had given his mother a tube of antibiotic cream to put on his feet. He was beyond crying in pain. Shriners stepped in and offered to bring him to their hospital here to help him. It took the Mexican government over 2 months to allow him to come here. By the time he made it he had gangrene in both feet. He did survive and is able to walk. While in Shriners hospital he watched tv for the first time. He is now back in Mexico with his family. So much for free healthcare for all Mexicans under 18.


33 posted on 04/04/2012 7:50:21 AM PDT by exbrit
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To: BillyBoy; rightwingintelligentsia; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; spintreebob; GeronL; ...

The PAN nominee is former Congresswoman and cabinet secretary Josefina Vázquez Mota.

I don’t know how conservative she is, probably the same as the other PAN bigwigs. She trails the PRI candidate, a vapid Obama type. I don’t think a woman was good electoral choice in Mexico.

Thankfully the far-left Chavez candidate is running in third.

This is the danger of socialist healthcare. If Obamacare survies you could have Republicans 20 years from now vowing they wouldn’t think of getting rid of it. Look at social securuty and look at Mexico and Europe.


34 posted on 04/04/2012 3:33:56 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Mexico= a pathetic failed state whose subjects flee north at astonishing rates. Emulate it? I think not.


35 posted on 04/04/2012 4:01:17 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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