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Children no longer need facts because they can look them up on smartphone, claim teachers (U.K.)
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | April 4, 2012 | Graeme Paton

Posted on 04/04/2012 10:26:59 AM PDT by Stoat

Teachers said lessons should put a greater emphasis on broad skills such as independent research, interpreting evidence and critical thinking rather than learning dates, facts and figures by rote.

The Association of Teachers and Lecturers warned that pupils risked being failed by a Coalition overhaul of the curriculum that will emphasise the core knowledge that pupils should acquire at each key stage.

It claimed that the move represented a throw-back to the 50s and would “kill children’s creativity”.

Jon Overton, a teacher from inner-London, said that smartphones – with full internet access – can by used by pupils to quickly search for facts.

Addressing the union’s annual conference in Manchester, he gave the example of Mozart’s birthday, saying phones took less than a second to find

“We are no longer in an age where a substantial ‘fact bank’ in our heads is required,” he said.

“What we need to equip our young people with are skills; interpersonal skills, enquiry skills, the ability to innovate. That is what universities are saying is lacking, that is what employers say is lacking; transferrable skills that ultimately will make a difference in the life of a young person.”

Michael Gove, the Education Secretary, has warned that too many children are finishing compulsory education lacking the most basic knowledge because existing syllabuses have been stripped of core content.

An expert panel has now been formed to review the curriculum, with new specifications in the core subjects to be introduced in 2014. 

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; education; england; greatbritain; napl; uk; unitedkingdom
Although this article is from the U.K. I would caution American readers not to discount its relevance to us here in the USA.  A great many social, cultural and economic trends gain a foothold first in Great Britain and are then emulated by the Left elsewhere.

 

Some older Free Republic threads which may be of interest:

Churchill dropped from England's history syllabus (- pandering to a P.C. agenda-)

UK- Half of young people do not recognise Winston Churchill... & will be 'forgotten' in 80 yrs

 

1 posted on 04/04/2012 10:27:10 AM PDT by Stoat
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To: Slings and Arrows; manc

“Thought you might be interested” ping


2 posted on 04/04/2012 10:28:32 AM PDT by Stoat (If you want a vision of the future, imagine a Birkenstock stamping on a human face... forever)
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To: Stoat

smartphones – with full internet access – can by used by pupils to quickly search for facts.

...Because everything on the internet is true...


3 posted on 04/04/2012 10:30:49 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: Stoat

An old, tired idea that has been thoroughly demolished. But the beauty part for the left is that empty minds are easily manipulated.


4 posted on 04/04/2012 10:32:21 AM PDT by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: Stoat

Well, gotta somewhat agree with this assessment. After all, nothing good can come of having students memorize the Koran.


5 posted on 04/04/2012 10:33:14 AM PDT by C210N (Mitt "Severe Etch-a-Sketch" mcRominate-me)
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To: Stoat
It claimed that the move represented a throw-back to the 50s and would “kill children’s creativity”.

That's curious.

People educated in the 50s (and before) "created" the Apollo program.

6 posted on 04/04/2012 10:33:14 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Stoat

Might be a good idea: IF THEY ACTUALLY TAUGHT ‘CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS’.

But that’s not what they are after. Besides, we all know how accurate the Web is.


7 posted on 04/04/2012 10:33:34 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Stoat
So how would they teach science? Or welding?"okay class this is a torch and there's the acetylene and oxygen lines. Now please refer to the anarchists handbook...."

"Okay class, it's time to dissect the cadaver. Johnny, put down the samurai sword now!"

I mean what can possibly go wrong leaving children to their own devices? Some might think the German's really did bomb Pearl harbor and others would never remember just how many hundreds of millions were killed in the last 250 years to preserve their right to make up their own convenient history. So what are we paying teachers for again?

8 posted on 04/04/2012 10:36:33 AM PDT by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Stoat

Makes perfect sense...until “Skynet becomes self-aware”.


9 posted on 04/04/2012 10:38:09 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Stoat
So if you get out of cell coverage or your batteries go dead you become immediately STUPID!
10 posted on 04/04/2012 10:39:22 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: barmag25

-—...Because everything on the internet is true...——

As opposed to what, textbooks?

A true education should teach people how to think (grammar and logic) and impart religion. Everything else is non-essential.


11 posted on 04/04/2012 10:39:49 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Stoat

I tell my (college) students that Google etc makes it relatively easy to find information on a given topic, at least if you know how to use keywords effectively (many of them don’t). But then I remind them of Thomas Sowell’s point: “Facts do not speak for themselves. They speak for or against competing theories. Facts divorced from theories or visions are mere isolated curiosities.”

Without the critical thinking skills to frame and apply knowledge, Google is useless.


12 posted on 04/04/2012 10:42:34 AM PDT by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: Stoat

Now factual knowledge, as opposed to knowledge of virtue, might well be one area in which Meno’s paradox has some force. If you don’t know anything at all, how can you realize there is a gap in your knowledge?


13 posted on 04/04/2012 10:44:02 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Stoat

Then the kids should stay home, because they sure don’t benefit from the opinions of teachers such as this!!


14 posted on 04/04/2012 10:51:27 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: Stoat
This is so wrong on so may levels.

If you know nothing, you won't even know what to look for.
Without some background knowledge, how can you sift through the junk hits?
Without knowledge of the subject, you have no way to tell if what you found is accurate or relevant.
Without extensive knowledge, you can't tell if the information you're looking for has been purged from the search engine.

Don't fall into this trap. Use the web but don't rely on it or trust it.

15 posted on 04/04/2012 10:53:46 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Stoat

Then the control of content will be even more important to the regime. Look it up on your smertphone and get the “approved” version!


16 posted on 04/04/2012 10:55:24 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: mountainlion
So if you get out of cell coverage or your batteries go dead you become immediately STUPID!

In addition to coverage area and battery limitations, someone is going to have to pay 30 a month for a data plan for each and every student. They will need jobs, or a public subsidy. Then, they all need smartphones. They will need jobs or some other way of paying for them. Not to mention, the smartphones will need to be replaced every 2 years, just to keep up with technology. Of course, they can be broken, lost or stolen. Maybe we will need a universal phone insurance mandate.

On the upside, we will be able to know where each and every one of them is at any given time.

17 posted on 04/04/2012 10:58:22 AM PDT by webheart
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To: All
Try the Smart Phone look-up in a discussion with a liberal.

The abhor actual facts and will debase them based on the source, even if it is the NYT or a White House web site - “that's not what they meant” or “that doesn't count”...

Try it, and ask the liberal which internet source they would trust - you usually can't get an answer. Their favorite sources are long on opinions and short on facts...:^) It's good for a laugh.

18 posted on 04/04/2012 11:06:04 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: SunkenCiv; Republicanprofessor; mcvey; JamesP81; DaveLoneRanger; Tired of Taxes; ...

“Thought you might be interested” ping


19 posted on 04/04/2012 11:06:31 AM PDT by Stoat (If you want a vision of the future, imagine a Birkenstock stamping on a human face... forever)
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To: Stoat; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ...
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY


20 posted on 04/04/2012 11:11:03 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Stoat
Children no longer need facts because they can look them up on smartphone

And as long as they know their alphabet, they no longer need to read whole words.

21 posted on 04/04/2012 11:12:01 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Stoat; Slings and Arrows; SunkenCiv

Here ya go, kid.

22 posted on 04/04/2012 11:14:17 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Stoat

Rush calls school kids “young heads full of mush”. This only worsens the problem.


23 posted on 04/04/2012 11:25:27 AM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: Stoat; JenB

Good. This could render public schools obsolete really quickly.

That would be a good thing.


24 posted on 04/04/2012 11:26:45 AM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself) The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.
25 posted on 04/04/2012 11:32:04 AM PDT by JenB
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To: martin_fierro

I’ve still got my old Treo somewhere. Good times.


26 posted on 04/04/2012 11:35:19 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Stoat
Children no longer need facts schools because they can look them up on smartphone, claim teachers (U.K.)

Fixed it!

27 posted on 04/04/2012 11:55:09 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Sheep and insects need leaders.)
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To: Stoat
But a smart phone can't ridicule a child in front of others. It can't have a hangover and scream at children. It can't force a child to worship all government. It can't force a child to sit still and shut up for hours at a time.

In the future, will our children be sufficiently warped?

28 posted on 04/04/2012 12:03:26 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Let's name a law after a kid who died because of CAFE standards!)
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To: Stoat
Teachers said lessons should put a greater emphasis on broad skills such as independent research, interpreting evidence and critical thinking rather than learning dates, facts and figures by rote.

What happens if you are a lousy parent, and your kids DON'T have a cell phone??

29 posted on 04/04/2012 12:05:36 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: Stoat; Slings and Arrows

This is nothing new; 50+ years ago I was “taught” that knowing facts was much less important than knowing where & how to find them.


30 posted on 04/04/2012 12:30:56 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The difference between "bad" & "worse" is more noticeable than that between "good" & "better")
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To: Slings and Arrows; camle; Alkhin; Professional Engineer; katana; Mr. Silverback; MadIvan; ...

KRYTEN Mister Rimmer has a point, sir. Your greater knowledge is making you pessimistic, while his ignorance and almost doe-like naivety is keeping his mind receptive to a possible solution.
LISTER Shut your stupid, flat head, you.
[KRYTEN shrinks under LISTER’s admonition, but KOCHANSKI has picked up on something, and sounds intrigued]
KOCHANSKI So, you’re saying, when you don’t know enough... to *know* that you don’t know enough, there’s no fear holding you back? You can achieve things which people with more brains can’t?
KRYTEN Precisely.
[KOCHANSKI smirks in RIMMER’s direction]
KOCHANSKI He’s got the ‘power of ignorance’...
KRYTEN And with ignorance that he’s got, that makes him one of the most powerful men that’s ever lived! Harness your stupidity, sir; employ your witlessness, use your empty-headed, simplistic moron-mind and find a solution.
[RIMMER’s face hardens defiantly]


31 posted on 04/04/2012 1:20:52 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1170 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: null and void

I was expecting Holly reading out of the illustrated science encyclopedia.


32 posted on 04/04/2012 3:38:34 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

CAT: Hey, who’s that?

On one of the monitors is an unfamiliar face. Black, mustached, with large ears.

RIMMER: Aliens!

He goes and bows down in front of the monitor. HOLLY’s reaction is somewhat different. He seems uncomfortable: it is clear that he recognises this face, and is expecting trouble.

HOLLY: Queeg.
RIMMER: Who’s Queeg?

QUEEG. I’m QUEEG 500, the Red Dwarf back-up computer. All vessels of the Jupiter Mining Corporation fleet are obliged to carry a back-up computer to replace the primary computer, if the primary computer contravenes Article Five. I am therefore assuming control of this vessel.

For some reason, he sounds just like a U.S. army drill sergeant.

HOLLY: This is mutiny, Mr. Queeg. I’ll see you swing from the highest yard-arm in Titan Docking Port for this day’s work.
RIMMER: What’s Article Five?
QUEEG: Gross negligence, leading to the endangerment of personnel.
LISTER: Hang on, he can’t do this. Holly’s got an IQ of six thousand!
HOLLY: Yeah. Right on.
QUEEG: Is that what he told you?
LISTER: Well, what is it, then?
QUEEG: It has a six in it, but it’s not six thousand.
CAT: What is it?
QUEEG: Six.
HOLLY: Six? Do me a lemon! That’s a poor IQ for a glass of water!
LISTER: How come he knows the answers to all the questions about science and space that we ask him?
QUEEG: He consults a book.
HOLLY: What a slimeball!
QUEEG: He get’s all his information on astronomy, phenomonology and physics from a single book.
RIMMER: What book?
QUEEG: The Junior Encyclopedia Of Space. It’s the only one that has pictures.
HOLLY: That’s slander, that is. You’d better find yourself a good lawyer, sunshine.


33 posted on 04/04/2012 3:55:34 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1170 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Slings and Arrows

Mrs. F still refuses to get rid of hers as a backup for her extensive address book & calendar. Haven’t been able to convince her that Apple’s cloud sync is actually pretty good.


34 posted on 04/04/2012 5:46:47 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

My sympathies are with Mrs F on this one. Sorry bro.


35 posted on 04/04/2012 6:44:28 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Stoat

Reminds me of a science fiction short story (that my children read) by Isaac Asimov called “The Story Machine” about a future when the machines do all of the thinking for everybody: The machines do all the math, and the machines even produce stories and tell them. The vast majority of people don’t know how to write or what all the “squiggles” (letters and numbers) are.

I know, the article you posted is a far cry from that story, but someday...


36 posted on 04/04/2012 7:02:29 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Stoat; Slings and Arrows; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ShadowAce; Swordmaker; SunkenCiv
Children no longer need facts because they can look them up on smartphone, claim teachers (U.K.)

In a similar vein: Google Project Glass

37 posted on 04/04/2012 7:40:07 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Stoat
Dorothy Sayers is smiling.
38 posted on 04/04/2012 10:02:25 PM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: barmag25

Well not so much that. The point is that learning, and the love of learning, like many things is an acquired habit. People who do not know facts have much less incentive to acquire them.


39 posted on 04/06/2012 2:58:28 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Stoat
The Association of Teachers and Lecturers warned that pupils risked being failed by a Coalition overhaul of the curriculum that will emphasise the core knowledge that pupils should acquire at each key stage.

It claimed that the move represented a throw-back to the 50s and would “kill children’s creativity”.

I seem to recall (from actually studying history as it happens) that there was no shortage of creativity in the past. If anything I think there was more creativity in the era before the information age.

40 posted on 04/06/2012 3:01:11 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Stoat

The future of "education" (indoctrination) in America!


41 posted on 04/06/2012 3:05:23 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Vanders9
there was no shortage of creativity in the past. If anything I think there was more creativity in the era before the information age. 

 

Indeed, and the information age brought along with it a monstrous load of bad information....which is shamelessly exploited toward manipulating the uninformed and the lazy, as we Yanks found to our dismay in our last Presidential election, among other examples.  In depending entirely upon blind Google searches and Wikipedia posts, without a significant core foundation of time-tested and demonstrably-proven knowledge, we're all going to be headed down a very bad road indeed.

Idiocracy (2006) - IMDb

I'm also reminded of The Book People

Amazon.com- Fahrenheit 451- A Novel (9781451673319)- Ray Bradbury- Books

who each took as their solemn mission the lifelong focus of memorizing a book, word for word, so that the knowledge of the past could be one day reclaimed in a future era of enlightenment.

So often I encounter people, primarily Leftists, who are breathtakingly ignorant of basic facts and concepts yet so very sure and unshakably confident of their own intellectual superiority. 

We seem to be moving toward needing a clan of "Book People" more and more every day.

42 posted on 04/06/2012 8:09:40 AM PDT by Stoat (If you want a vision of the future, imagine a Birkenstock stamping on a human face... forever)
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To: martin_fierro

At the moment, I frequently think about how much I object to being tethered via a pager and a phone, and how much they limit my freedoms. InfoGoggles like Google’s will multiply that feeling exponentially, and it will no longer be just a feeling.
Thanks for posting :-)


43 posted on 04/06/2012 8:17:34 AM PDT by Stoat (If you want a vision of the future, imagine a Birkenstock stamping on a human face... forever)
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