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Doctors call for end to 45 common medical tests
msnbc.com ^ | 4/4/12 | msnbc.com news services

Posted on 04/04/2012 11:22:18 AM PDT by ColdOne

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To: bkopto

With all due respect....you don’t know what you are talking about.


51 posted on 04/04/2012 4:34:47 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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52 posted on 04/04/2012 4:37:49 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I rarely watch the news these days. I’d rather read it here, where I can feel less like I am under assault.


53 posted on 04/04/2012 4:49:30 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Osage Orange
That's a strong statement. I beg to differ as my radiology group is going through this process right now.

You don't need to take things personally. Your initial point was tangential to begin with.

The initial guy said MRIs were way overpriced,and my point was that they are not.

Regards

54 posted on 04/04/2012 5:04:44 PM PDT by bkopto (Obama is merely a symptom of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: bkopto
So...you personally are paying an RN 200K a year?

Somehow I doubt that.

55 posted on 04/04/2012 5:12:39 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: Osage Orange
NOT AN RN, RN SERVICES. There is a difference. Consider what benefits cost: FICA, 401K, health insurance, Medicare, etc.
56 posted on 04/04/2012 5:18:49 PM PDT by bkopto (Obama is merely a symptom of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: NavyCanDo

Which is another reason we are being pushed to a socialized system. We are half way there. These tests are often a make or break thing for the practice.


57 posted on 04/04/2012 5:39:05 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Osage Orange

Look at the total benefit package, and that it takes more than one nurse if you operate 7u days a week. The cost of health insurance is often higher than the salary.


58 posted on 04/04/2012 5:46:56 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum; bkopto
Here's what you said...and to what I replied to..

Nurse to start IVs and sedate claustrophobic pt + benefits: 200K.Period.

If you meant maybe 2 and half or three nurses then I can see it.......I am in the business... And know the going rates.

But there isn't one nurse in your scenario making 200k a year.

Are you both saying I'm wrong?

59 posted on 04/04/2012 6:32:30 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: ColdOne
•PAP smears on women younger than 21 or who have had a hysterectomy for a non-cancer disease

These darlings are aware that the PAP smear is for Cervical Cancer and the cervix is often left in place?

•Bone scan screening for osteoporosis in women younger than 65 or men younger than 70 with no risk factors

Glad this rule was not in place prior to this. My mom's bones would still look like Swiss cheese rather then gradually growing stronger with the treatment she is getting now.

60 posted on 04/04/2012 7:15:23 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Would you sing if someone sucked YOU up the vacuum cleaner hose?)
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To: Aria

Oh but I thought it was the Republicans who “want you to die” according to that nutcase Florida ex-congressman.

We are indeed fortunate that we no longer have to suffer the indignity of listening to the lying Florida ex-congressman.


61 posted on 04/05/2012 5:13:04 AM PDT by wita
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To: Osage Orange
I was thinking for 7 day a week staffing. Which would be 2 or 3 nurses.

For instance, knowing what my sister in law makes as a new nurse, it is similar to what we pay people here (actually a little more but not a lot more). $200K for a day position, staffed by 2 or 3 people, is actually lower than what we pay. Benefits and insurance make up more than base pay.

62 posted on 04/05/2012 12:18:49 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
I get it........

It seemed to me the original poster..was saying one RN was making $200k a yr.

Of course pay varies...from region to region. But no RN I've ever run across is making $200k a yr. to place IV's..in a IR Dept.

And that was my point.

A staff of RN's...making $200k a yr. is understandable...

Thanks for the reply....

63 posted on 04/05/2012 12:30:02 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
with no risk factors

Did your Mom have any risk factors?

64 posted on 04/05/2012 12:37:18 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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Aside from the fact she was female and postmenopausal? Not really. It was her dentist that told us that we should consider a bone scan as her jawbone did not, in his opinion, look healthy.

Glad we did it. She has had wonderful results.

65 posted on 04/05/2012 2:43:50 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Would you sing if someone sucked YOU up the vacuum cleaner hose?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Aside from the fact she was female and postmenopausal?

That's not a generally thought of risk factor......

66 posted on 04/05/2012 2:48:29 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: Osage Orange
You are correct. Although you are statistically more likely to have osteoporosis if you fall into both of those categories they are not considered risk factors.

Glad her GP decided that it was worth running a test. Of course the dentist and the GP knew each other (small town) which probably helped.

67 posted on 04/05/2012 2:58:44 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Would you sing if someone sucked YOU up the vacuum cleaner hose?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Glad your mom had some good smart folks looking after her........

FRegards,

68 posted on 04/05/2012 3:04:51 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: All
Something I posted a while back, but bears repeating here:

I've posted this many times before but what if somebody is denied healthcare under Bammycare? People naturally have spouses, children, siblings, friends, parents, grandparents, etc. depending on the age of the one denied. I would hate to be a member of a death panel making such a decision to deny. I'd stay out of dark allies, look under my car before starting it, keep my eyes out for shadows, and jump at every noise I hear at night. Is that noise I hear at 2:30 AM the neighbor's cat or is it Grandpa Jones' grandson, which I denied care to his granddad, with a posse of his friends armed with baseball bats and a shotgun? How about blocking the road in front of me, an old lady in a 1967 Caddy. Did she break down or is she the wife of the man who I denied a hip replacement to, waiting for me where as I step out of my car to help, the last thing I hear is a .45 going off just before St. Peter appears. It's 10 PM, my kid is late in coming home and the phone rings. How about this, what if I denied care to a Tony Soprano?

I know under the insurance companies, there are cases of denial but in a lot of cases, you can get the doctor and hospital to get them to reverse their decision or just go ahead and let the family pay for it and/or go on a charity case. Not so with the government, if you are denied, there is very little redress at all. Ayn Rand put in in a long monologue where it boils down to this, "the more laws you create, the more criminals you make" and when you eliminate the process and route where one can make a challenge to make things right legally, that leaves only one other way, revenge and/or at least forced coercion via illegal means. This is a pandora's box to be sure, people will do anything for their loved ones and for survival.

I remember Quark's quote from DS9 (Star Trek) about us humans, "Let me tell you something about humans, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and as violent as the most blood-thirsty Klingon."

I don't feel comfortable in visioning this scenario, but if we keep going on the present track, it will happen.

69 posted on 04/05/2012 3:48:10 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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