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£10billion spent on refuelling planes which don't work on RAF jets
The Daily Mail ^ | April 2012 | Jamie Mcginnes

Posted on 04/05/2012 6:13:41 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

£10billion spent on refuelling planes which don't work on RAF jets

A £10billion fleet of refuelling planes for the RAF have been found to suffer leaks when they fill up British jets.

Tests have shown connecting pipes leak on the Voyagers when they try to resupply Tornado jets - although they work fine when used by American fighters.

It is feared the latest glitch to affect the aircraft, also used to evacuate battlefield casualties and transport troops, could delay their entry into service.

The MoD agreed the PFI programme - the biggest ever - with Oxfordshire-based AirTanker for 14 planes.

A militarised version of the Airbus A330-200 passenger plane, the Voyager can transport 400 soldiers.

Twice the size of a Lancaster bomber, with a 60m wingspan and length, the planes can hold 100,000 litres of fuel and are the biggest the RAF has ever had.

In theory, they can refuel jets in mid-air at 125 times the speed of forecourt garage pumps - at 5,000 litres a minute. However, the leak glitch has led to concerns the delivery of the aircraft could be held up.

Nine are due in service as soon as 2014.

Technicians are desperately trying to fix the defect, according to The Sun.

A source told The Sun: 'They tested it with RAF Tornados but the refuelling system doesn’t work in mid-air.

'They also tried it with American planes and it did work — it’s a big problem.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2125439/Fleet-13billion-refuelling-planes-built-RAF-dont-work-British-aircraft--compatible-American-jets.html#ixzz1rAfifzqu

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airbus; raf; refueller

Setback: Leaks when the Voyager refuels jets have led to concerns it will be delayed entering service

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2125439/Fleet-13billion-refuelling-planes-built-RAF-dont-work-British-aircraft--compatible-American-jets.html#ixzz1rAg0SBwf

1 posted on 04/05/2012 6:13:53 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Is this the same as the Tanker that lost to Boeing then got tied up legally here for years (thanks John McCain) then was selected, Boeing appealed, and eventually went back to Boeing.


2 posted on 04/05/2012 6:26:14 AM PDT by RainMan (Newt/Sarah - Red Meat for a Red America)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Yikes !

(kewl pic though  :-)

3 posted on 04/05/2012 6:27:09 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat

I would have thought NATO had standards, but what do I know?


4 posted on 04/05/2012 6:30:44 AM PDT by battlecry
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To: battlecry
Seriesly, tho I know nothing about it, this can't be that logically difficult.

If the entire system works ok w/our jets, then the problem has to be with the receiving plumbing on the Tornados, yes ?

</masterful grasp of the obvious 8^>

5 posted on 04/05/2012 6:40:53 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Joe Lucas at work again.


6 posted on 04/05/2012 6:46:30 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: tomkat

We think the same way ... let’s see, we use the Imperial standard (ft, inch, gallong ...) and England uses the metric standard ... I’d guess this would be a good place to start.

(Yet, another masterful exercise in the obvious).


7 posted on 04/05/2012 6:52:04 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar

England uses metric, SAE and Imperial. All can be found on UK machinery.


8 posted on 04/05/2012 6:55:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I’ve also seen what was called “soft metric” on DOD designs, which meant that SAE standards were used to the nearest metric value called out. Works fine for things you weld together, but not so good for systems that connecct mechanically.


9 posted on 04/05/2012 7:00:17 AM PDT by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: tomkat

Boeing knows refueling, sounds like the probe is a bit smaller on the RAF fighters.


10 posted on 04/05/2012 7:19:00 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: boomop1
A big ol' gob of Vaseline has often been used to remedy a malfunctioning probe.

Just sayin'.

(if it works, i'll send 'em a bill ;-)

11 posted on 04/05/2012 7:25:54 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: sukhoi-30mki; All
What's really telling, is that the author, in attempting to relate the size of the plane to the reader, compares it to a LANCASTER bomber, which along with the lesser known Stirlings and Halifaxes, were the heavy bombers of RAF bomber command in WW II..those planes are 70 years old..

I suspect that 75% of the papers readers have no idea what a Lancaster is. Sort of shows how Britain's military capability deteriorated since WW II.

Imagine an article in an American paper attempting to describe an F-22 or an F-35 by comparing it in size to a P-47 or a P-51;;

12 posted on 04/05/2012 7:33:01 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Couple wads of chewing gum otta do the trick.


13 posted on 04/05/2012 7:34:57 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Spearmint jets? ? ?? Who knew?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
In theory, they can refuel jets in mid-air at 125 times the speed of forecourt garage pumps - at 5,000 litres a minute

That's the max rate of the Chobham 805E Fuselage hose drum unit - it may just be a problem dialing it back to the approx. 1500l/min fighters can accept fuel at.

The HDU wing 905E pods deliver fuel at the same rate the older pods Chobham have been building for 40 years and it's hard to see Tornados taking fuel from Victors and VC-10s for all that time and suddenly developing a problem with the new tanker.

14 posted on 04/05/2012 7:38:52 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Pecos

Soft metric?


15 posted on 04/05/2012 7:50:18 AM PDT by allmost
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To: sukhoi-30mki
These planes will be modified after they serve their intended purpose; to refuel Israeli jets during the sustained air to ground campaign to destroy the Iranian nuclear threat.

Once the Mad Mullahs endure a few months of living in the 8th Century like their false profit, the system will be modified to supply fuel to European fighter bombers. I can't believe nobody here on FR couldn't discern the obvious.

16 posted on 04/05/2012 7:53:32 AM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the community¬Öfeel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: STD
The ‘logical’ is not necessarily obvious.
17 posted on 04/05/2012 8:14:53 AM PDT by allmost
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To: boomop1
Boeing knows refueling, sounds like the probe is a bit smaller on the RAF fighters.

Which is why McDonnell Douglas beat Boeing when the KC-10 was selected.

18 posted on 04/05/2012 8:43:20 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

Point set and match. If the fool Mc Swain stayed home at his nursing home the nation as a whole would be better off.
Remember he voted for the 4 liberal judges on the SCOTUS. An every other lame brained Judge supposedly to get along him and Nobama are a matched pair prima facial evidence that seniority does not rain supreme but rather stupidity does......:)


19 posted on 04/05/2012 9:00:52 AM PDT by straps (Electric Jack)
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To: allmost

That was a term used on a ship construction program I used to be part of.


20 posted on 04/05/2012 9:03:31 AM PDT by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Political BS


21 posted on 04/05/2012 9:10:43 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: Yo-Yo

KC-10 POS, it was the only way they could salvage the DC-10.


22 posted on 04/05/2012 9:12:23 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
although they work fine when used by American fighters.

Nope.
Not saying it.
Nope.
No way.
Uh uh.

23 posted on 04/05/2012 3:34:09 PM PDT by Publius6961 (A)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
A militarised version of the Airbus A330-200 passenger plane, the Voyager can transport 400 soldiers.

This isn't an American story, but it could be. This is the Airbus A330 MRTT, used by Australia, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and the United Kingdom. The Airbus A330 MRTT is the basis of the EADS/Northrop Grumman KC-45, which SecDef Rumsfeld chose to be the replacement for our KC-135 back in 2006. So not only did Boeing lose a contract and close a factory, but this European plane, with some Northrop Grumman parts, is crap from the get go.

Contact Congress!

24 posted on 04/05/2012 5:28:32 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: boomop1
KC-10 POS, it was the only way they could salvage the DC-10.

Yup, such a POS that Boeing's new boom design for the KC-46A is based upon the KC-10 boom, whose technology Boeing bought when they acquired M-D.

25 posted on 04/06/2012 3:03:50 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

Did I say anything about the boom? I didn’t think so.


26 posted on 04/06/2012 3:11:34 PM PDT by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: ken5050

Every Brit over the age of about 12 knows what a Lancaster is. And the DM is a conservative paper, so those who read it know their history.


27 posted on 04/06/2012 4:48:19 PM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: the scotsman

I would hope that you’re correct in that assumption..


28 posted on 04/06/2012 5:57:05 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: Oztrich Boy

Is that the same Chobham that developed the explosive armor plating for tanks?


29 posted on 04/06/2012 5:58:24 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050

Yes.


30 posted on 04/06/2012 6:50:13 PM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: ken5050; the scotsman

I think they are referring to Cobham, a British firm specialising in refuelling systems and other defense equipment.

http://www.cobham.com/about-cobham/mission-systems.aspx

Chobham is a class of armour.


31 posted on 04/07/2012 9:22:00 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: the scotsman

Given the kind of nonsense that often fills the pages of the Daily Mail, I pray that British conservatives have other papers to read.


32 posted on 04/07/2012 9:23:31 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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