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AF Human Relations online training just pissed me off
self | 5Apr12 | jagusafr (vanity)

Posted on 04/05/2012 6:29:42 AM PDT by jagusafr

Just finished my annual online "Human Relations" training and had to come to FR to vent. Guess what the first example listed of "workplace violence" was? Right: Maj Hasan at Ft Hood. These people have the unmitigated call to lump this traitorous murdering coward in with incidents that involve love triangles and disgruntled employees. I wish I thought anybody with any clout would care about my outrage, but they'd probably want to start keeping an eye on ME...


TOPICS: War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: hasan; training; violence; workplace
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Argh. It's getting closer and closer to time to retire.
1 posted on 04/05/2012 6:29:51 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: jagusafr

HR is never your friend in the business world. Appears that maxim is the same in the military.


2 posted on 04/05/2012 6:31:25 AM PDT by wbill
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To: jagusafr
Did they just use him as an example of workplace violence without any other information? His case could be a spectacular example for how HR and everyone else didn't pay attention to warning signs, sirens and flashing red danger lights. On the other hand the typical HR department (and the federal government doubly so) would warn you against discriminating against someone just because they had business cards listing him as a "soldier of Islam".
3 posted on 04/05/2012 6:37:08 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: jagusafr
It's all about putting a softer spin on terrorism. As you know, the PC crowd has eliminated 'War on Terror' from our vocabulary.

And 9/11? That was a man-caused disaster.

Terrorism Is a 'Man-Caused' Disaster?



4 posted on 04/05/2012 6:39:16 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: wbill

Don’t know about the military, but we’ve pretty much figured out that HR is the Govt camel nose under the tent.


5 posted on 04/05/2012 6:40:02 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: jagusafr

We just filled out our “command climate” surveys here at Fort Carson. When it asked if you’ve “ever experienced discrimination” in your current unit I responded “YES” and told how I felt discriminated against through the exclusion of an observance for my race (white). I’ve complained about this before but nothing ever came of it except for my being “looked into” by the command.


6 posted on 04/05/2012 6:40:56 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Just because someone thinks it's a good idea doesn't make it legal.)
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To: jagusafr

Its just “work place violence” in maj Hasan’s case because he is a “believer” like the resident of the White Hut!


7 posted on 04/05/2012 6:41:41 AM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: jagusafr

I am SOOO glad I retired when I did. Entered the AF in 1976 and retired in 2004. I don’t even recommend patriotic young people to join anymore.


8 posted on 04/05/2012 6:43:32 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: jagusafr
.. but they'd probably want to certainly start keeping an eye on ME...

/.02

9 posted on 04/05/2012 6:44:06 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: KarlInOhio
Did they just use him as an example of workplace violence without any other information?

I'm surprised Hasan was somehow classified as a "victim."

10 posted on 04/05/2012 6:44:39 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: jagusafr
Since the trial has yet to occur, is it legally appropriate to use that case as an example? After all, he's not guilty until the court renders verdict (except that he's guilty as sin in the real world). Just saying...

/johnny

11 posted on 04/05/2012 6:47:27 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: jagusafr

Reminds me of my AF diversity training.


12 posted on 04/05/2012 6:47:31 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: jagusafr
Let the Mil-Spec Monkey store cheer you up:


13 posted on 04/05/2012 6:47:41 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: jagusafr

It might be time to leave it to the younger XBox generation.

My Husband knew it was time to retire when they announced that women would be allowed on submarines, the smoking lamp was going out on submarines and gays could be more gay on submarines.

He retired last August after 27 years. It wasn’t his Navy anymore. And he’s a little pissed about that.


14 posted on 04/05/2012 6:51:51 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: jagusafr
This started in the early 70s with Race relations then race relations 2 telling us how evil the white guy is. This started PC and affirmative action to kill whiteys promotion chances.
15 posted on 04/05/2012 6:53:10 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: DTogo
It scares me that these Monkey Store guys know how to have some Arabic scrawl on their patches.

ML/NJ

16 posted on 04/05/2012 6:54:30 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: TSgt

Sierra Sierra,Delta Delta. Makes me sick.


17 posted on 04/05/2012 6:54:52 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: jagusafr

I’m with ya on that!


18 posted on 04/05/2012 6:55:42 AM PDT by Afisra
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To: Rich21IE

Corporations, like most large institutions, are annexes of the govt.


19 posted on 04/05/2012 6:58:50 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: wbill

You nailed it.


20 posted on 04/05/2012 6:59:38 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: wbill

I came to the conclusion many years ago that the only thing HR departments concentrate on is justifying their existence. They need to go back to the old personnel departments.


21 posted on 04/05/2012 7:02:15 AM PDT by RC2
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To: jagusafr

The term “human relations” is in itself aggravating.

What else are you guys dealing with? Dogs? Cats? Martians (Groom Lake personnel only)?


22 posted on 04/05/2012 7:02:28 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: jagusafr

I popped smoke in January 2005 after 23 1/2 years, and at that lamented at how much the Air force had been destroyed by Political Correctness and the Clinton years.

The last 7 years as a Government Contractor has just deppened those feelings of sadness and resentment as I have watched what is left of the Air Force degenerate in to a PC joke where everyone is afraid to say anything about anything and everyone just tiptoes around all subjects.

GOne are the days of Friday afternoon ‘beer calls’ at the ‘alternate command post’, smoke em if you got em, etc etc.

Today you have to have JAG approval and fill out 4 gazillion forms just to have a squadron picnic, and you are not allowed to have any alcohol or anyone smoking and people are not even allowed to bring their own beer. Now they have even prohibited alcohol at the softball fields. (SIGH!) But they continue to ask all our great airmen to be deployed constantly, put up with silly PC regs, etc etc.

And then the powers that be scratch their heads over why retention rates have plummeted and send out ‘surveys’ to find out why morale is at an all time low.


23 posted on 04/05/2012 7:04:07 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: jagusafr

In my career I worked for 3 large organizations in management positions and ultimately as Corporate Director of Engineering with responsibilities for 70+ plants world wide.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER believe for a nano-second that HR has any concern for you. They do their best to make you believe this but they are doing their job and that is keeping the troops in line for the least amount of money. If they are good at HR then they are doing a good job for the company. They are not your friend.

This is not sour grapes as I still have an affinity for my former employers and left on good terms. But, I know from being in Corporate management, HR is simply doing their job.


24 posted on 04/05/2012 7:04:25 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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Hey! Hey! Hey! Even “traitorous murdering coward”s have a Mom! It’s just that Hasan’s Mom has four legs, barks and wears a flea collar.


25 posted on 04/05/2012 7:05:04 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: jagusafr

Check the HR policies on how to deal with workplace violence. Many places flag “gun owner” and some flag “inappropriate criticism of company policies”.

This one implies that terrorism is indeed workplace violence:

“Violence in the workplace ranges from threats, intimidation, coercion, harassment, assault, hostages, suicide or
homicide. These violent or potentially violent situations may develop internally among the existing workforce or
externally, i.e., former employees, spouses, associates, civil unrest, terrorists, etc. Recognizing indicators of
potentially violent behavior or situations will be a part of every manager’s and supervisor’s core training. Ideally,
potentially violent individuals or volatile conditions will be recognized, defused or contained before the situation
escalates. The Gruntwell Corporation Violence Team’s responsibility is to ensure these situations are recognized, reported, and to the extent
possible defused, contained or brought under immediate control, and all infrastructure is in place to deal with
situations that may develop.”


26 posted on 04/05/2012 7:10:40 AM PDT by DBrow
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I feel your pain, man. The PC virus has infected the “body” deeply.

A few weeks ago I saw a “double-block-filler” with her hair a full six inches out of regulations (mass protruding beyond the head). It was the most blatant physical symbol of outright disrespect and defiance I've seen in over 30 in and around the military. And I wondered to myself how many hundreds, and perhaps thousands of more senior enlisted troops and officers have shrunk from their duty to correct her out of fear of being accused of “offending” her...?

I've seen many females who wear their hair well outside of the guidelines in AF regulations. But this was the most incredibly gross display of that kind I've ever seen. She must have been doing this for many months, if not years. And don't think for a second that there is an officer in the AF who doesn't know that wearing 9 inches of hair mass behind your head (triple the AF limit) is ridiculously out of regulations. And while this is the worst example I've ever seen, I've seen many women in an AF uniform who display complete disregard for AF dress/appearance standards.

My interpretation of word “leadership” tells me that by not enforcing regulations on EVERY member of the service, military leaders (both officer and enlisted) are not just being “lax” or “tolerant”...they're being disrespectful and defiant their own leadership chain, and to regulations.

It's painful to watch. But this PC stuff is a “cancer” for the military...and it's a growing trend.

27 posted on 04/05/2012 7:18:10 AM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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To: jagusafr

One mujahideen’s jihad is another man’s workplace violence spree!

We are going to continue to see more one-man jihads, per the Koran and hadiths, that will be minimized by Left.


28 posted on 04/05/2012 7:22:20 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: RavenATB

Raven - much like the E-7s who show up on Monday, knowing it’s “blues day” (and regardless of what people - me included - think of that), in their ABUs and NOBODY, including officers, calls them on it. I do, and get the “a-hole colonel” look, which leads to further conversation, but generally doesn’t turn their attitudes around.

There’s a reason behind the dress and appearance regs. It’s not just so somebody with control issues can have something to gig people on. It’s a small reminder of the crucial concept of obedience to lawful orders, without which a military force is an undisciplined and ineffective mob.


29 posted on 04/05/2012 7:26:24 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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I’m retired AF and would strongly advice you not to lose your cool. Just hang in there.


30 posted on 04/05/2012 7:26:56 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: jagusafr

ping


31 posted on 04/05/2012 7:32:59 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: wbill

-—HR is never your friend in the business world. Appears that maxim is the same in the military.——

Once I started seeing HR as employee-hostile, everything made sense.

Govt policies are a big reason for the situation.


32 posted on 04/05/2012 7:35:10 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Wurlitzer
HR depts, formally personel dept in sane days, have been destroyed by putting women in charge. Sorry, but that is a fact.

You can't run a company based on ‘feelings’, you can only run it into the ground.

I advise any young professional to RUN like hell from any job offers at a company with a female in charge of HR!

33 posted on 04/05/2012 7:42:10 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U
Actually, our female personnel manager was replaced by a male, HR professional. The games began then.
34 posted on 04/05/2012 7:43:49 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: TSgt

Reminds me of mine too in the Ar,y back in the 70s.


35 posted on 04/05/2012 7:53:43 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: Rich21IE

HA...that is why I quit working over 20 years ago...felt TOO much like I was working for the government...and I was in HR in very well respected High Tech companies!


36 posted on 04/05/2012 7:55:24 AM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: Beagle8U
Uh....I would amend what you said to "destroyed by putting LIBERAL women in charge." As a former HR worker, and a woman, I was once told I had more balls than lots of guys! I didn't take sh*t....which of course, is why I eventually got out.
37 posted on 04/05/2012 8:02:23 AM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: jagusafr

I’m still not over the sexual assault briefing I got a few years back that said 1/2 of the Air Force was either a rapist or helped someone cover up a sexual assault.
This fluff is the crap I have to endure to do what passion and patriotism desire. No one I know takes that stuff seriously no matter how much PC crap the brass demands of the force.


38 posted on 04/05/2012 8:25:15 AM PDT by McCloud-Strife ( USA 1776-2008)
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To: jagusafr

Bless you, and thank you for your service. Always remember, the good guys are the good guys because they are the good guys, and no one can take that away.


39 posted on 04/05/2012 8:30:21 AM PDT by daisy mae for the usa
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To: jagusafr
Agreed. It's also a key component of the one-team, not a bunch of individuals going our separate ways concept...sort of what you mentioned.

The “thing” about this for me is this: if they'll show that much disrespect and defiance of something as “ordinary” as the dress and appearance regulations, imagine the defiance they would show if I gave them an order that might put their life in jeopardy in a real conflict when they'd rather be doing her nails or texting friends on Facebook.

“Man...you don't know me. You're not the boss of me....”

If you want to know what's really happened to the Air Force in the past 20 years, just find a few Marine officers and senior NCOs who spent time on the ground in Iraq. Ask them what they think of the Air Force.

If, as the AF likes to say, “perception is reality”...oh, boy...

40 posted on 04/05/2012 8:35:42 AM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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To: jagusafr

First, jag, thank you for your service. This thread really depresses me. My oldest grandson is in Week 6 of AFBMT at Lackland. We just saw pix of his Flight on Facebook, and there he is, coming out of the gas chamber! We are so proud of him wanting to serve our country (his MOS is Aircraft Loadmaster), but so dearly wish he were serving under a different Commander-in-Chief.


41 posted on 04/05/2012 8:43:29 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: goodnesswins
Well, I guess your mileage may vary. My experience everywhere that had a woman HR manager was bad for the company and everyone that worked there.
42 posted on 04/05/2012 8:53:04 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: ml/nj
"It scares me that these Monkey Store guys know how to have some Arabic scrawl on their patches."

Well, you want the ragheads to know what it says - and be offended -- don't you?

43 posted on 04/05/2012 11:11:04 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Inspectorette

Ma’am, it is a privilege that you would loan us your grandson. I pray for his safety and that he will be led and mentored by people with a sense of mission.

Colonel, USAFR


44 posted on 04/05/2012 11:23:26 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: McCloud-Strife

“This fluff is the crap I have to endure to do what passion and patriotism desire. No one I know takes that stuff seriously no matter how much PC crap the brass demands of the force.”

Well said, and thanks for the reminder.


45 posted on 04/05/2012 11:26:12 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: jagusafr

I’m glad I retired in Oct 08. My son got back from Afghanistan in December with the Army Guard, and he plans on getting out ASAP. He’s an E-3, but he is convinced that none of the higher-ups in Afghanistan have any clue about what is happening outside the FOBs...


46 posted on 04/05/2012 11:27:03 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: jagusafr
You are just getting to that now?

They Thrust that crap back on us in January!

I almost literately gagged myself with the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" Repeal lesson and the "Tolerance" Lesson.

I just kept hitting next as fast as the damn thing would load.

47 posted on 04/05/2012 11:57:30 AM PDT by KC_Lion (I will NEVER vote for Romney, the GOP will go the way of the Whigs if they nominate him)
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To: DTogo
Say, those are pretty sharp. Marked for later.
48 posted on 04/05/2012 12:13:28 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: KC_Lion

Silly me - I assumed that when I got reassigned, they’d update my training manager automatically, but nooooooo....so, I went red on all annual training requirements at the end of December and found out last Friday. Joy. Got to come in early every day this week to my civilian office and do ADLS.

On DADT, I was sitting with my boss (a female BG) during the Level I (JAG) training and we both about puked when the online trainer admonished everybody that “homosexual is an offensive term and will not be used. Gay or lesbian is more appropriate.”


49 posted on 04/05/2012 1:07:18 PM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: KC_Lion

BTW - a blessed Passover and Holy Week to you and your family.


50 posted on 04/05/2012 1:10:04 PM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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