Skip to comments.Romney opens lead in Santorum's backyard
Posted on 04/05/2012 6:49:16 AM PDT by Ocarterma
Two days after losing three more primaries, Rick Santorum appears to be in trouble in his home state:
Mitt Romneys taken the lead in PPPs newest poll of Rick Santorums home state of Pennsylvania. Romney has 42% to 37% for Santorum with Ron Paul at 9% and Newt Gingrich at 6%. The numbers represent a dramatic turnaround from when PPP polled the state a month ago. Romneys gained 17 points, going from 25% to 42%. Meanwhile Santorums dropped 6 points from 43% to 37%, for an overall swing of 23 points in the last four weeks.
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I can’t WAIT for the Myth WASTE of campaign funds to start here in PA. If Rick loses at least he takes a couple million of Mittens warchest down with him. And each commercial in the Bishops’s deluge of dirt is less he has for future endeavors.
Just like Obamney 1.0, 2.0 cannot run on his record so the smears must fly!
“To save America, .... Romney should pull out.”
Yeah and Harry Reid and the other 53 democrat senators should resign and Obama should resign too. And Sotomayer and Kagan should resign too.
Yeah, you tell them.
I think we got a pretty good window into Santorum’s thinking a few weeks ago with his supposed “gaffe” about keeping Obama over Romney. It wasn’t a gaffe. He’s a Bitterman who would prefer Obama over Romney, just to show everyone he was right about Romney not being able to beat Obama.
MM, may I add it will also be the GOPe’s fault also for “giving” Myth his “turn.”
When given the choice between McCain and Romney, Santorum backed Romney as the clearly more conservative candidate. That's not the same as saying Santorum was a fan of Romney's, but it does suggest that claims he's more liberal than McCain aren't valid. At least, not in Santorum's eyes.
“Is the fat lady clearing her throat?”
Yep. Rick is taking a four day break from the campaign trail. Likely to think things over and then announce he’s out.
The fat lady sang in Wisconsin. Anyone analyzing the delegate counts can figure out it’s impossible for Santorum to catch up.
It’s time to focus on getting conservatives nominated for Congressional races. Pay attention to these:
Ted Cruz in TX, US Senate,
he’s running against a moderate, Dewhurst.
Richard Murdock in IN, US Senate, taking on RINO Lugar
There are many other races where conservatives can win and make a big difference.
Let 'em. It's their fault for supporting a liberal like Romney instead of any other candidate in the race who by default would be more conservative.
Despite what they would have you believe, you still get to vote for whomever you want in November. I cannot in good conscience, and will not as a matter of principle, support a known liberal like Romney. I need a difference between the two major candidates or I will go third or write in a conservative. Thanks to the elites, Romney would have no chance to win my state anyway, so my much more important down-ticket vote will still go to elect conservatives.
The UNIONISTAS would have had to have had the “Santorum” plan in effect back in March as ONLY registered party members can vote in that parties primary. Party affiliation changes must be made 30 days prior to the Primary, and I have seen no news accounts of massive party swings in registrants.
Romney's problem hasn't been liberal rhetoric. He's been great rhetorically on the free market system throughout the campaign. His problem is his record as Governor. But if I knew that I'd get campaign-rhetoric Romney, including this clip, I'd be thrilled. It's just that we can't be sure that's the guy we'd actually get.
It is also the Easter weekend. A devout Catholic family would NOT be out campaigning Holy Thursday evening, Good Friday or Easter Sunday.
Saw him bowling last night just down the street.
First time I have ever seen so many suits and ties in a bowling alley.
“That would leave Newt, for whom one might have a glimmer of hope”
Newt’s been vying with Ron Paul for last place. oh and those cash infusions? Gone. Newt’s only hope was to play power broker in the case where neither Santorum nor Romney got a majority of delegates, but Newt himself doesnt have that many delegates.
Santorum was the only one in the past month who could catch Romney, but with wisconsin ... he can’t. Santorum’s wins in the south gave him life, but Wisconsin pretty much ended that glimmer. Now he’s making a stand in his home state.
So my prediction: I dont think Santorum will withdraw pre-PA nor should he. Keep fighting. But .. If Romney wins PA, Santorum will ‘do the right thing’ and withdraw, clearing the field for Romney and ensuring no convention fight.
“This is especially true when one considers that there is no point to it anymore, Santorum has no chance of being the nominee even if he ends up eeking out a win at home anyway.”
The “point” of Santorum and Gingrich staying in is to keep Romney from having enough votes on the first ballot to win the nomination in convention. IF he doesn’t, it becomes open and another candidate “may” be picked. Probable not a conservative like Gingrich or Santorum, but something better than Romney. In that case either Rick or Newt may have the shot at VP.
Personally, I hope that both Rick and Newt stay in the whole way (at least until Romney has the “magic” number). Even a “remote” chance of being able to pick another candidate in convention is better than the “no hope” situation of Romney being the nominee.
Personally, I will NOT vote for Romney in a general election. I don’t see him as any better than Obama...in my world view. Thus, I will leave that portion of a ballot blank and only vote on the congress and senate. Many, many other normally dependable GOP voters feel just like I do. IF Romney is the nominee, he has already lost before the general election campaign begins. I can only hope the RNC gets that message....but fools seldom listen.
I am not convinced that mitt is a huge mistake.
He won’t use the word for fear he’ll lose votes. That tells me he’ll get rolled if he were to be elected. He claims to be different than the D.C. politicians. Actually his mindset is already there. He’ll be just like the crowd there now that puts their finger into the wind on every issue. He’ll be unable to change anything. It’s McCain II.
Santorum was up by two digits a couple of weeks ago. His lead over Romney is evaporating.
“Romney all but locked down as the GOP nominee and on schedule to graciously but convincingly lose to Obama in November”
BS on that... check the polls... Obama has not, even in the biased media polls, cracked 50%. he is really about 5-10% behind what the salted polls say.
Obama has had the worst jobs record and the worst economic growth record in our lifetimes.
Obama is weak, desperate, and the thrill is gone.
Heck, we could even run a Mormon from Massachussetts with a Swiss bank account and he’d still win! (oh .... wait a sec)
Our President next January will be named Obama or Romney.
if you want to advance conservatives, get behind conservative candidates for Congress and Senate, by having them win key GOP primaries, there are MANY opptys. That’s where the action is.
If you can cast a vote for that abortion-lover and sodomite-panderer, then I suppose you will do it. But please don't tell me I must also sell my soul. I've been praying about this decision, and I believe I've had confirmation that supporting Romney would be a sin for which God would hold me responsible. After all, in the end, my responsibility is to Him before anything or anyone else.
I, too, refuse to vote for Romney. It only encourages the liberal wing of the Party to nominate someone even more liberal next time.
Social conservatives are left with no option this election cycle. Let the chips fall where they may.
#40 is good advice and I will be definitely voting Republican down-ticket.
My state is most likely solid Obama, though I suppose that could change.
With that in mind, I would like to give a “popularity boost” to a non-Romney Obama alternative (though not Ron Paul if he runs).
A couple of things might help - the selection of a conservative and telegenic VP candidate from a swing state, for one. The other might be a plan for vocal and visual demonstrations by conservatives at the convention itself to insist upon a conservative platform and to hold Romney's feet to the fire.
Beyond that, everyone on the Right is going to have to make up their own minds as to whether they can once again hold their noses and vote for RINOmney, or, alternatively decide that they've been "had" by the GOP for the last time. Personally, I've not made up my mind yet, even though I know in my heart that four more years of the Kenyan Kommie would be far worse than Mitt ever could be.
A 'few %' but does that account for a full reversal in 3 days? Not likely.
- 41% Santorum - 35% Romney / "From March 27 - April 1, Quinnipiac University surveyed 647 likely Republican primary voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.9 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones."
- 42% Romney - 37% Santorum / PPP surveyed 403 likely Republican primary voters on April 4th. The margin of error for the survey is +/-4.9%.
I disrespect each polling org equally, but PPP is a straight-up Dem affiliate and Debnam is quite capable of douchebaggery. This sort of childish thing aligns Dean with Zogby:
The momentum in Pennsylvania is moving completely against Rick Santorum. Mitt Romney has a great chance to deliver a final crushing blow to his campaign on April 24th. A home state loss would be incredibly embarrassing for Santorum.
“and Hussein has a trillion dollar campaign war chest”
No, he’s had a bit of trouble raising money.
“..not to mention the left wing media on his side.”
True dat. That’s worth 10% points.
But OTOH Obama deserves to lose by 20 points so we are still ahead.
” Brace yourself for one of the dirtiest elections ever.”
BHO has already reached for the “GOP wants dirty air” and GOP wants kids with down syndrome to be ‘on their own’ (because our budget spends like $3.6 trillion instead of $3.9 trillion next year or something). Race care pulled in Treyvon Martin.
They will call Romney an evil robot for the 1%. It will be disgusting to see how many Alinsky tricks they will play on whoever their enemy du jour is.
The good news? IT MOSTLY WONT WORK.
Why? 8% UNEMPLOYMENT.
As Reagan put it, Facts are stubborn things.
Obama’s economic policies have failed. Our economy is weak and wimpy and failed to perform. Obama needs to be fired.
Mitt Romney: Obama Is Not A Socialist"
I swear, I'm so furious that Romney will be the nominee against Hussein that I don't know what to do with myself. THAT IDIOT is the last person who should be going up against the Communist-in-Chief. And remember, Willard said that if people are waiting for him to attack Obama, they'll be waiting a long time!
“The question is, what do we as conservatives do next. Im inclined to 3rd party.”
Yeah, because that vote for Perot in 1992 worked out SO WELL.
I don’t know who will win PA.
But here’s why it’s not a given that Rick wins it.
Rick lost his PA senate seat by 18 pts.
Libs weren’t for him...they tend to vote Dem...Conservatives were mad at him and many of the PA ones still are because of backing Specter over Toomey and several other things...moderates most likely didn’t care one way or the other.
In contrast, Newt and Romney retained popularity in their respective home states.
There are now several internal polls and indications, that if Santorum stays in until PA is over, he risks losing his political career permanently if he loses PA again. If he drops out before PA, he can salvage his future in politics.
The inside pressure mounting against Santorum to drop out, is becoming very intense. Santorum himself, scoffed at the magnitude of the pressure and vowed that it was nothing and would not stop him.
This is typical for Santorum, who has a long history and reputation for being obsessively stubborn, arrogant and unreasonable. So, it looks like Santorum has decided to self destruct once again. Only this time, it will be permanent.
“If Obama wins, Scalia and Kennedy arent going anywhere.”
And your sure knowledge of their future health is based on what ???
And what if its Ruth Bader ginsburg? She wants to retire. health issues. We could flip her to a conservative, but if Obama wins, she gets replaced by a hardcore leftist.
We will have a new supreme court justice by 2016 almost surely. Do you want another Scalia or another Ginsburg?
Maybe these points are raised again and again because they are valid.
I supported Newt for that reason alone, but since the Base is too brain dead to understand what is at stake and blindly kept enabling Santorum, I did what I has to do.
And destroying our obvious nominee, only to have to later support him, is not only stupid, it is rather irrational.
Your faux concern over Santorum’s political future is odd in light of your SDS (Santorum Derangement Syndrome). I think we get it...Obamney is the one! (Either 1.0 or 2.0).
“That’s not the same as saying Santorum was a fan of Romney’s, but it does suggest that claims he’s more liberal than McCain aren’t valid. At least, not in Santorum’s eyes. “
Santorum had first-hand knowledge of McCain.
It’s funny how Romney is getting the 3rd degree for being a RINO when in fact, McCain was an uberRINO far beyond what Romney is. Romney 2012 is a better candidate than McCain 2008; it’s a low bar, I know, but it says something, and that something is that all this bluster about how bad Romney is, well, its hyperbole. we really are forgetting about how RINO-ish and doltish Ford, Dole and McCain were.
Without them, the MI race would have not even been close. 4% of the same tried to upset Wisconsin for Santorum, but they are losing interest, now that Romney is obviously going to win, and that Obama now has a slight lead over Romney in the polls. (Which we can thank Santorum in part, for his ridiculous belief that he is winning.)
It helps Romney. His and Ron Paul's campaign were the only ones who recruited candidates to run for delegate. Romney got a lot current and former elected officials to run as delegates. These people have high name ID so they will do very well. So even if Santorum wins PA (which I believe that he will) Romeny will still win most of the delegates for the state.
I think you need to consider your RDS stigma first, don’t you?
A faithful Catholic taking a break from campaigning during the Easter Triduum, just means he is being a faithful Catholic; that’s all it means.
Rino Derangement Syndrome? As the former Alaskan governor would say “you betcha!”
The people who select the Republican nominee are the primary voters, nobody else.
The fact is, had Texas Gov Rick Perry not flubbed his debates, he would be mopping up right about now. Voters dictated that by deciding they wouldnt support a guy who didnt seem ‘ready’, nobody else.
These whines about GOP-e ‘picking’ people are pointless and wrong. Time and again we have seen the ‘annointed candidate’ losing - like Crist to Rubio, like ?? to Rand Paul, like when Senator Bennett lost to Mike Lee. In texas, Perry beat KBH by a move to out-conservative her. Elites were stunned, it worked.
So what if some people like Romney and were inside the beltway? They didnt have the votes.
Santorum and Newt were good candidates but had flaws, and Romney won because we didnt have a strong, clear, consensus conservative candidate, whose strengths outweighed the negatives. If we had such a candidate, it would be clear. I got flak for pointing out that Santorum was a good conservative, from others who insisted he wasnt. well ... did we get a more conservative result from all those complaining about how non-conservative Santorum was? Huh?!? so we are where we are now.
We are TOO MUCH focussed on the negatives of our guys than the positives, treating something they did or said a long time ago as “proof” they can never ever ever be of any good. Too much negatives against all of them, from Newt, Santorum, Cain, and Romney. Too many circular firing squads, while the real battle is between us and the leftists like Obama who hate us all. Obama side loves our intraparty fights, they feed it. For all the attacks on Romney being a RINO, looking at what he is saying and listening as he tries to channel Reagan, supports conservative budgets (Ryan), support prolife positions, calls to repeal obamacare, etc. Romney has a more conservative agenda than McCain did in 2008, than GWB did in 2000. Acting like it will be the end of the world if Romney gets in there and ends up being a smarter and a more fiscally conservative version of GWB is .. well, nuts.
So ALL of us know this “ I know in my heart that four more years of the Kenyan Kommie would be far worse than Mitt ever could be.”
.. and for every extremist picking 3rd party, there are thankfully many more level-headed folks who decide its better for the country not to let Obama get another 4 years.
I’ve had hard vote before, but a vote to fire Obama by voting for whoever the Republican is will be a joyful gleeful, ‘hope he gets his butt kicked’ vote.
So, instead of whining about the GOP-e folks, realize that they are not omnipotent, that primaries matter and to get your way we have to win them, so .... Find good conservatives for whatever office and support them in primaries.
Ted Cruz for US Senate. :-)
“I believe I’ve had confirmation that supporting Romney would be a sin for which God would hold me responsible.”
So your God wants Obama to win re-election?
What will you say when Sarah gets behind our nominee? (Who will be Romney of course)
You’re the loser because you are so hated here.
I saw you condemn the “haters” on this forum and took the moral high ground as usual. So if you think I am hated here, then I will take that as a compliment and wear it with pride. It’s a dirty job, but somebody has to take a stand and show the courage to do what is sometimes necessary.
“And your sure knowledge of their future health is based on what ???”
Supreme Court Justices get the best healthcare, so I’m not that concerned about health. Both will be 80, old but not exactly in their death beds. I hear that both have indicated a desire to say on should Obama win. And with Romney’s history of nominating liberals, does it really matter?
Romney would be a disaster for the Republican party, you basically have a Socialist running against a Marxist. I will vote for neither, either way it’s a recipe for disaster for this country, so at least I can say I didn’t take part in it. And a GOP Congress will just be a rubber stamp for Romney’s big government agenda. “See George W Bush”. Within 90 days of a Romney win you’ll be at your FAX machine fighting amnesty, count on it.
And a Romney win would just lead to another hard core leftist winning in 2016 when the economy tanks and is blamed on conservatism. Imagine how the court will look then? I would rather we take our lumps now and regroup for 2016.
Of course, Myth could do the right thing, acknowledge he’s the beneficiary of a fragmented conservative vote and drop out for the good of the party, but obviously that’s not going to happen.
Oh, I’ve said many time, Penn Mom, that the GOP-E is the prime perp here.
I am so angry with Paul Ryan and Ron Johnson, sell out Rinos both, endorsed Myth before our Tuesday primary.
All of the hard work of the volunteers(we even had Hillsdale college students come up to phone) cancelled out in one fell swoop of the arrogant party elites.
I feel demeaned like when an adult tried to squash my spirit when I was young by telling me that what I thought didn’t matter. Conservatives will “come around”? I don’t think so.
No more media for me. Faux News just someone that I used to know. Rip roaring Romney cheerleading to the point of nausea. Our local talk show hosts too: Slobbering Rombots. It’s amazing the vitriol and hatred they spew for a Conservative candidate who is principled. What are they afraid of?
If anyone has any ideas of how to let these turncoats, Ryan, Sensenbrenner and Johnson, know how we(I) feel about their betrayal, please let me know.
I’ve tried calling their offices to no avail.(”We don’t take political comments here”)..Writing to them through their websites? Sure. I want to be heard, da**it.
I don't follow that logic at all. You can certainly oppose socialistic policies without publicaly calling Obama a "socialist".
Here's what Romney actually said in a debate about it. I can't really fathom what in his rhetoric a conservative could find so objectionable. From National Review:
The question of whether President Obama is, or should be called, a socialist came up in last nights debate. The consensus seems to be that Romney played it smart by side-stepping the use of the s word. Thats too simple a take, I think.
This is what Romney actually said: What President Obama is, is a big-spending liberal. And he takes his political inspiration from Europe, and from the socialist-democrats in Europe. Guess what? Europe isnt working in Europe. Its not going to work here. I believe in America. I believe in the opportunity and in the freedom that is in America, opportunity and freedom. I believe in free enterprise and capitalism.
Saying that Obama is a big-spending liberal who takes his political inspiration from European socialists strikes me as not at all far from calling Obama a socialist. And in the context of his answer, Romneys emphasizing his own belief in free enterprise and capitalism clearly implies that Obamas faith in those entities is somewhat less than complete. Its a mark of where Obama has put us that the socialism question has not only been asked, but that claiming a president of the United States takes his inspiration from European socialists is now considered mild.
“Santorum may yet win in PA, but it must be noted that he and his staff found it advisable to announce just this morning that the candidate will be taking a four-day break in his campaign.”