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Romney opens lead in Santorum's backyard
Mitt Romney Leads In New Pennsylvania Poll ^ | 04/05/2012 | Doug Mataconis

Posted on 04/05/2012 6:49:16 AM PDT by Ocarterma

Two days after losing three more primaries, Rick Santorum appears to be in trouble in his home state:

Mitt Romney’s taken the lead in PPP’s newest poll of Rick Santorum’s home state of Pennsylvania. Romney has 42% to 37% for Santorum with Ron Paul at 9% and Newt Gingrich at 6%. The numbers represent a dramatic turnaround from when PPP polled the state a month ago. Romney’s gained 17 points, going from 25% to 42%. Meanwhile Santorum’s dropped 6 points from 43% to 37%, for an overall swing of 23 points in the last four weeks.

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Is the fat lady clearing her throat?
1 posted on 04/05/2012 6:49:23 AM PDT by Ocarterma
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To: Ocarterma

No.


2 posted on 04/05/2012 6:51:59 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Ocarterma
Is the fat lady clearing her throat?

Yep... looks like it's a done deal...

Rick battled hard and achieved far more than anyone ever expected when all this started, but after PA hands Romney its delegates, it'll be time for Rick to call it a day.

3 posted on 04/05/2012 6:52:14 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: Ocarterma

To save America, .... Romney should pull out.


4 posted on 04/05/2012 6:52:59 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

I agree, but he has been running for soooooooo looooooong, I don’t think he will.


5 posted on 04/05/2012 6:55:01 AM PDT by mathluv ( Conservative first and foremost, republican second)
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To: Ocarterma

PA is going to be interesting: PPP trend line is going Romney, Quinnipiac trend line went from Romney to Gingrich to Santorum.


6 posted on 04/05/2012 6:55:21 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: Ocarterma

Republican Candidates could improve their Primary vote count by campaigning with the following idea:

Due to the FHA, Fannie and Freddie Bankruptcies of September, 2008, American home owners lost 30 % of the value of their homes. That is a 30 % cut in just one month. Home values are still down 30 %.

Thus, let us cut the total compensation to all elected Federal politicians, and their staffs by 30 %, and an additional 10 % cut to elected Federal politicians each year until Federal Spending is LESS THAN the average of the previous 2 years of Federal income.

BTW, since slightly less than half of the US House, and 2/3 of the US Senate are Millionaires, it will be a great opportunity for Congress to lead by example that EVERYONE should give up their “fair” share of the American Dream.

What better way can there be to demonstrate that Federal politicians are on the same page as the voters?


7 posted on 04/05/2012 6:56:48 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Ocarterma

I live in PA. People here don’t like Santorum. Some still remember the flap over the taxpayers footing the bill for his kids’ cyber education. He is perceived as ignorant and arrogant. Plus most Republicans are RINOs or even liberal. So look for voters in PA to reject him.


8 posted on 04/05/2012 6:56:59 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: ScottinVA

Money and organization plays a big role in politics. It is simple marketing economics. We could great the best tasting cola drink in the world, but Coke and Pepsi would be able to maintain their dominance in the market. I hate to watch it but both Newt and Rick have their weaknesses and Romney was able to use his campaign advantages to beat them in almost every critical state.


9 posted on 04/05/2012 6:57:12 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Ocarterma

If the polls keep trending against Santorum in his home state I’d expect him to call it quits before the primary. After having lost his state by 18 points the last time he ran for Senate, it would be incredibly humiliating to lose it yet again to Romney. This is especially true when one considers that there is no point to it anymore, Santorum has no chance of being the nominee even if he ends up eeking out a win at home anyway.


10 posted on 04/05/2012 6:57:15 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Ocarterma
Is the fat lady clearing her throat?

That river is the DNC smear team drooling...

11 posted on 04/05/2012 6:57:20 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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"PPP surveyed 403 likely Republican primary voters on April 4th. The margin of error for the survey is +/-4.9%."

QuinPoll sux in general but [a] their PA internals were stronger (and vastly divergent from PPP); and [b] they're having a good year.

12 posted on 04/05/2012 7:01:17 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: ilgipper
Romney was able to use his campaign advantages to beat them in almost every critical state.

Campaigning and winning liberal areas while telling conservatives that we'll like him just fine when he's all that's left. That might work during primaries but Obama is going to whip him like a rented muslim wife in the general election.
13 posted on 04/05/2012 7:01:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: ScottinVA
If Rick loses... we all lose... and that is a fact. Sad days for America and Conservatives. romney may be better than obama but he is worse than mccain and ford put together... and that stinks bigtime. mitt makes neslon rockefeller look good in comparison. Yipeeeeeeee... we get to vote for a socialist cultist liar.

LLS

14 posted on 04/05/2012 7:01:47 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: ilgipper
I hate to watch it but both Newt and Rick have their weaknesses and Romney was able to use his campaign advantages to beat them in almost every critical state.

Yeah, there's something to be said for money and organization in political campaigns... even when much of the electorate knows you have no chance in the general election.

15 posted on 04/05/2012 7:02:52 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: Ocarterma

It really doesn’t matter (delegate-wise) who wins the PA primary. None of the delegates are bound. They are all free to chose who to support at the convention.


16 posted on 04/05/2012 7:03:43 AM PDT by Kevin C
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To: Ocarterma

Santorum is going to need to think long and hard about this.

He has re-established himself as a major player in Republican Party politics after one of the biggest political human humiliations in history. He is in the discussion for VP. He could almost certainly demand a Cabinet post. Maybe he can make a run for governor at some point.

However, if he loses his home state in a primary, all that good work may be lost.


17 posted on 04/05/2012 7:03:45 AM PDT by MyronCopacetic
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To: Ocarterma
If Santorum cannot win his home state (again)... then, yes, as a practical matter he's done for. Whatever money still flows into his campaign will quickly dwindle to a trickle.

That would leave Newt, for whom one might have a glimmer of hope, were he not living off cash infusions from a single donor. And there's still, Ron Paul, who keeps on going apparently because the microchip in his head is stuck in a feedback loop.

18 posted on 04/05/2012 7:04:23 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Ocarterma

Not much to say here!!! Rick Santorum, exactly like Newt Gingrich, got foot in the mouth sickness. Santorum has tons of talent, is a bonfide conservative, is relatively young, ran a great campaign, and...if he uses his God given brains, he will withdraw from the POTUS race right now, today, and while doing so, with grace, dignity and enthusiam, back Mitt Romney for POTUS!!!! Rick can and should be a future GOP POTUS, but.....if he overstays his welcome in the POTUS contest and does not avidly back the chosen nominee, he like Gingrich will destroy his future, bright political career!!!

If he acts like the moron, spoiled brat, Newt Gingrich he will kill his career, just as Newt has done himself in with self-inflicted wounds!!! Face it, folks Mitt Romney is the GOP candidate for POTUS, and...while I am not crazy about Mr. Romney, he will get my undying support and total campaign effort because for me, it is simply just ABO, Anybody But Obama!!!


19 posted on 04/05/2012 7:10:14 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (My only objective is defeat and destroy POTUS Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: andy58-in-nh; All

Personally I think Rick will win PA. All these polls make for intersting conversation pieces but I just can’t believe Romney wins [all] his home states, Newt wins his and all of a sudden Santorum becomes the first to lose his-—may be a little close but I see Santorum winning by at least 5 points.


20 posted on 04/05/2012 7:10:38 AM PDT by Ocarterma (formerly Obushma: Because he's way past Bush---he's Carter now!)
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To: Kevin C
"It really doesn’t matter (delegate-wise) who wins the PA primary. None of the delegates are bound. They are all free to chose who to support at the convention."

That's what makes it interesting. It's a beauty contest (in the midst of a bunch of WTAs). So being non-binding, does that help Santorum or Romney? Thinking it's the former, if he promotes that wisely, or if that aspect even translates downward to PA voters...

21 posted on 04/05/2012 7:11:04 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: StAnDeliver
PPP is the first poll to come out since Tuesday. The other polls were from last week's data and not really accurate.

That trend will continue from here on out, since Santorum is so deep in the denial that he has no chance, it is starting to annoy most normal people. The further behind he gets, the more he claims that he is gaining and winning. It's actually comical to watch him and his supporters/enablers lose all touch with reality.

22 posted on 04/05/2012 7:11:19 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: StAnDeliver

The Qinnipiac poll started a week before the PPP one; I think a few % of the difference are just change over time and the effect of the Tuesday primaries.


23 posted on 04/05/2012 7:12:25 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Ocarterma
Michigan was a tie....for a few hours anyway.


Cox said that according to the MRP rules, Santorum and Romney should each get one of Michigan's two at-large delegates based on their take of the popular vote.

"I supported Mitt, but the vote was clearly wrong," Cox said of the Credentials Committee. "It's kind of like Third World voting. We published rules and then we voted to change the rules."


Because The Narrative Cannot Survive A Rewrite
24 posted on 04/05/2012 7:13:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Ocarterma

Santorum may yet win in PA, but it must be noted that he and his staff found it advisable to announce just this morning that the candidate will be taking a four-day break in his campaign.


25 posted on 04/05/2012 7:13:38 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Ocarterma
So where did the other %11 that went to Romney come from? Gingrich? The poll also indicates no change in Santorum’s favorability rating. So this is the ABO vote being convinced by the establishment that they shouldn't vote for who they really prefer. Well Santorum has a few weeks to work it. I think PPP also show Santorum doing better in PA vs. Obama than Romney. Of course there are other polls, but it would make sense for the Republicans there to pick the worse candidate since they are the loser party.
26 posted on 04/05/2012 7:18:05 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: ScottinVA
there's something to be said for money and organization in political campaigns

Big example of this is I never ever believed we would have a president named Hussein....

27 posted on 04/05/2012 7:19:31 AM PDT by noexcuses
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To: LibLieSlayer

Like I’ve said in other threads... with Romney all but locked down as the GOP nominee and on schedule to graciously — but convincingly — lose to Obama in November, the opportunity to field-test a strong third-party conservative candidacy may be presenting itself.

While hope for an actual victory at the outset would be unrealistic, the intent this year would be to make a statement that conservatives recognize the GOP is no longer their political home.

The strategic objective would be to build toward future growth as a party that actually gives voice to Tea Partiers and other real conservatives. The GOP isn’t getting it done anymore. The break is going to have to happen sooner or later.


28 posted on 04/05/2012 7:20:48 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: noexcuses
I hate to watch it but both Newt and Rick have their weaknesses and Romney was able to use his campaign advantages to beat them in almost every critical state.

ESPECIALLY so soon after 9/11. But then, Americans aren't known for critical thinking skills. It's all about sound bites that are nothing more than ear-bling.

29 posted on 04/05/2012 7:24:54 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: fatnotlazy
Santo is also seen as a hypocrite in PA. His support for Specter over Toomey and the anger it created has never really lessened much. Specter, a rabid supporter of Abortion, who was the 60th vote to guarantee Obamacare, and all the Liberal things he did against PA is unforgivable to the people of PA. (To conservatives that is)

Santorum’s insane obsession to stay in the race will destroy any hope he might have in the future. This will mark the end of his career in Politics. He is even losing the Evangelicals who mistakenly gave him this foothold in the first place.

30 posted on 04/05/2012 7:25:49 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Ocarterma

It’s getting to the point where it doesn’t much matter who stays in and who drops out.

The outcome is pretty much set and Willard has already shifted to general election mode (at least to a certain extent).

The question is, what do we as conservatives do next. I’m inclined to 3rd party.


31 posted on 04/05/2012 7:29:30 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: noexcuses

and Hussein has a trillion dollar campaign war chest..not to mention the left wing media on his side. Brace yourself for one of the dirtiest elections ever.


32 posted on 04/05/2012 7:36:23 AM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Ocarterma

RAS says Santorum up 42-38 %


33 posted on 04/05/2012 7:36:23 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: Ocarterma

It is all over but the shouting…Very disappointing and sad indeed…Romney only chance for defeating Obama is that the gas prices remain high by elections day but any Republican nominee would have defeated Obama because of the high gas prices…Other than that Obama is going to utterly destroy Romney mainly using Bain Capital against him…


34 posted on 04/05/2012 7:36:46 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: Ocarterma

I think the throat that needs to be cleared is the one belonging to Mr. Gingrich. Newt, if he can set his ego aside, should campaign FOR Santorum in PA and by doing so prevent the Coronation of King Myth.

I am stunned by the number of FReepers just resolving...it’s Obamney’s turn, and by the way...who is in the cast for the next DWTS?

Santorum has some warts...but he is NOT Obama 2.0. Romney IS!!! Mr. Gingrich...put your country’s future first, come to PA and point out the candidate differences.


35 posted on 04/05/2012 7:39:32 AM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

LLS,
First, I’m not a Romney supporter. Gingrich is my guy and has been the whole way. We need to deal with reality however. If Obama has 4 more years, he’ll continue force feeding his true socialist agenda. Our only hope is taking the senate and increasing numbers in the house, to keep him in check. If Romney is elected (whom I’ll vote for if he’s the nominee), I believe a majority in both houses will force him in to the positions he’s made public during this campaign. Especially overturning Obamacare, if not already struck down. I believe our only hope is to move both houses to the right. When it comes time to pull the lever, who do you want nominating the next supreme court judge (or two), Romney or Obama?


36 posted on 04/05/2012 7:39:39 AM PDT by TheRake
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To: samtheman

“The question is, what do we as conservatives do next. I’m inclined to 3rd party.”


Everyone has to make that decision and I fault no one for the path they decide. For me, I simply hate El presidente more than McRomney. Some feel just the opposite but I figure the Conservatives in the GOP can steer McRomney more than Obomulus and we can primary Willard with Sarah Palin in 2016 if he completely bottoms out-—that would be our 3rd party-—a one-on-one primary battle w/Saracuda in ‘16!


37 posted on 04/05/2012 7:40:59 AM PDT by Ocarterma (formerly Obushma: Because he's way past Bush---he's Carter now!)
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To: cripplecreek

The Romney campaign has vowed to “destroy” Rick in his home state. How nice! So even if PPP’s poll were different(and likely wrong and fueled by the RNC), it would be a brutal three weeks for Rick.

Rick is first and foremost a family man. He cares about his role as father and husband more than you know. What a concept for a politician. He is not running for his own political opportunist gain like someone we know.

I would guess that if he pulls out, he is not succumbing to the Saul Alinsky threats of Bishop Romney and his band of merry thugs...but rather that he considers the effect on his whole family to be a major factor. and he has a special needs child who loves her daddy and needs him.

As for those of you who say that it’s not a good idea to predict that Bam will win because it projects a bad image, where were you when Freepers were eviscerating Rick for no reason at all other than Newt was F for failing?
There is power in stating the truth...It can mobilize and motivate people to work for good.

Romney is a despicable man and the worst candidate the RNC would have ever picked to defeat Hussein. You cannot!counter radical socialism with moderation. It’s never worked before and it won’t work now.
And moderation is a kind word for Mittens. He’s a liberal wolf in sheep’s clothing.

For the amount of money that Bam is raising, I would say
WE AIN’T SEEN NOTHIN’ YET.

If Rick graciously steps down, I’ll be grieving the loss of a good and honest candidate who could have won the election in November and helped to save America.


38 posted on 04/05/2012 7:42:37 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: Ocarterma

You have a good point but I have a long way to go, personally, before I can even consider voting for Romney, for anything, against anybody.

But that’s just me and I’m not trying to sell my point of view, just saying how I feel.


39 posted on 04/05/2012 7:42:47 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

My humble advice is that if you are in a battleground state then do the right thing and vote for Romney who is still better than Obama. However if you are in a state that is certain to go Republican or certain to go democrat then you have the luxury of not voting for President or voting for a third party…but in any case you go and vote for Republican candidates for Congress…Republicans must at least retain the House and hopefully win the Senate so even if Obama wins re-election his damage would be greatly limited.


40 posted on 04/05/2012 7:43:37 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Go away, PS. You are so boring...


41 posted on 04/05/2012 7:44:56 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: Ocarterma

Romney....always trespassing.


42 posted on 04/05/2012 7:44:56 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: cripplecreek

I wasn’t referring to you, CC..in my post..I know you are not one of the haters.


43 posted on 04/05/2012 7:45:51 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: jveritas

hopefully win the Senate so even if Obama wins re-election his damage would be greatly limited.

I’ve been saying this all along, jveritas. Inform yourselves, contribute and work for Senate candidates who can win and let’s greatly diminish Bam’s power, at the very least by taking back the Senate and keeping the House.


44 posted on 04/05/2012 7:48:06 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: samtheman
I would love to get rid of the GOP myself, but we are short of time to get a viable party that can win, off the ground this late. Such an effort would be the ruin of us all if we are that stupid to attempt it now.

It will take a minimum of 4 years to launch a valid replacement party for the GOP. They are too deeply entrenched to take down in just a few months.

The dangerous thing about going 3rd party this election, is obvious. Since this election is THE most critical election we will face in our lifetimes, we have no choice but to win with the party we have in place now. Even with Romney, we will get some relief and also gain seats in the House and Senate and most importantly, we will at least stop the bleeding from 4 years of Obama.

But first, we have to regain control before we can make a major overhaul within this party. We have no other option.

45 posted on 04/05/2012 7:48:46 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: samtheman

I’ve stopped telling people that I do not intend to vote for Mittens.

Some Rinos that I know foam and the mouth and look like they are going to kill me.

“IF ROMNEY DOESN”T WIN, IT”LL BE YOUR FAULT”.

No, it’ll be Romney’s fault for sucking so badly as a candidate.


46 posted on 04/05/2012 7:50:17 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: Mountain Mary

I will stay anywhere I chose, loser........


47 posted on 04/05/2012 7:50:30 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: TheRake

“When it comes time to pull the lever, who do you want nominating the next supreme court judge (or two), Romney or Obama?”

We hear the same thing every election cycle, like a giant parrot from the GOP RINO establishment.

If Obama wins, Scalia and Kennedy aren’t going anywhere.


48 posted on 04/05/2012 7:51:32 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: TheRake
Obama is not a socialist. The new head of the party says so:

Mitt Romney: Obama Is Not A Socialist

49 posted on 04/05/2012 7:51:37 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: Ocarterma

The pro-union candidate did lose in Penn. the last time he ran. The unions are willing to cross over in the primary, so he still has a chance, but they will not in the general.


50 posted on 04/05/2012 7:51:58 AM PDT by John D
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