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Louisiana Governorís School Voucher Plan Clears Legislature
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Posted on 04/05/2012 11:58:31 AM PDT by Gopher Broke

BATON ROUGE — Louisiana will be home to one of the nation’s largest school voucher programs once Gov. Bobby Jindal signs legislation that recently passed his state’s legislature. Today, by a vote of 60-42, the Louisiana House of Representatives approved Gov. Jindal’s voucher expansion, which passed the Senate last night 24-15.

“This is a momentous day for the families of Louisiana,” State Superintendent of Education John White said. “All students deserve a fair chance in life, and that begins with the opportunity to attend a high-quality school. These policy changes are aligned with that central belief, and Gov. Jindal and state lawmakers have demonstrated a clear commitment to prioritize the educational rights of Louisiana’s next generation above all else.”

The expansion of the Student Scholarships for Educational Excellence Program will allow low- and middle-income students in Louisiana public schools graded “C,” “D,” or “F” by the state accountability system to receive government-funded vouchers to attend private schools. Currently, that option is available only to children in New Orleans and students with special needs in eligible parishes.

Last month, a poll commissioned by the Friedman Foundation for Educational Choice, an organization supportive of school vouchers, found that 60 percent of Louisiana voters surveyed were in favor of Gov. Jindal’s plan to provide vouchers to more families statewide.

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KEYWORDS: education; educationchoice; educationfunding; jindal; la; teacherunions; voucher; vouchers

1 posted on 04/05/2012 11:58:37 AM PDT by Gopher Broke
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To: Gopher Broke

I <3 Governor Jindall!


2 posted on 04/05/2012 12:06:22 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

He IS awesome...

I’d like to see him run for POTUS


3 posted on 04/05/2012 12:11:33 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1

Indiana’s Governor Mitch Daniels shepherded the nation’s largest school voucher program throught the state legislature and everyone on this board considers him a Rino; Jindal does the same with a much smaller program and receives conservative kudos.


4 posted on 04/05/2012 12:17:21 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

Pretty obviously, it’s more than their position on school vouchers that determines whether they are a RINO.


5 posted on 04/05/2012 12:25:14 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Gopher Broke

This will punch another hole in the NEA; good news and good initiative. Let’s see other big states controlled by the GOP like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio follow suit.


6 posted on 04/05/2012 12:26:04 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: Gopher Broke

So, when is Obama/Holder’s “jus’ dis” department going to rule this “unconstitutional?”


7 posted on 04/05/2012 12:37:30 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: Gopher Broke

Geaux Bobby!

Piyush! Piyush! Piyush!

I would love to see him as GOP VP nominee this year!


8 posted on 04/05/2012 12:39:34 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: MSF BU

Vouchers, Choice and Charters spell the end of LOCAL ELECTED control. State control is NOT a good option.


9 posted on 04/05/2012 12:41:43 PM PDT by codder too
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To: codder too

If this gives parents the ability to choose a local private or religious school, why is that not a move in a positive direction?

There are plenty of parents in my town that would love the ability to get their tax money back and choose another K-12 option.


10 posted on 04/05/2012 12:48:00 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: Gopher Broke

Is this the first state to do this?


11 posted on 04/05/2012 12:59:21 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: codder too

“LOCAL ELECTED”? You mean “teacher controlled” school boards. The donations and candidates come from the local teacher thugs, excuse me, unions. State control is not the option, parental control is. The eventual goal, parents keep their tax money and decide where and when to send their children for education.


12 posted on 04/05/2012 1:02:06 PM PDT by ricmc2175
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To: Gopher Broke
low- and middle-income students

I wonder how they define 'low- and middle-income." Sounds like welfare if the same option isn't available for everyone. While I can't stand government schools, I fear that vouchers are the beginning of state-control of private schools. After all, if state money is being used, then they will start deciding what they can and can't teach.

13 posted on 04/05/2012 1:13:42 PM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: Gopher Broke

Jindall+bc+Palin4vp


14 posted on 04/05/2012 1:35:25 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: rogue yam

a little cajun lingo there?


15 posted on 04/05/2012 1:35:25 PM PDT by RitchieAprile (There's a bathroom on the right)
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To: mlo
Pretty obviously, it’s more than their position on school vouchers that determines whether they are a RINO.

Mr. Daniels, who took office in 2005, has reduced the number of state workers by 18 percent and held spending growth below inflation.

A statewide school voucher program was enacted. Children in homes with an income under $41,000 could receive vouchers equal to 90% of the cost of their public school tuition and use that money to attend a private school. It provides lesser benefits to households with income over $41,000. The program will be gradually phased in over a three-year period and would be available to all state residents by 2014.

In the 2005 session of the General Assembly, Daniels and Republicans, with some Democrat support, successfully enacted a voter registration law that required voters to show a government issued photo ID before they could be permitted to vote. The law was the first of its kind in the United States, and many civil rights organizations, like the ACLU, opposed the bill saying it would unfairly impact minorities, poor, and elderly voters who may be unable to afford an ID or may be physically unable to apply for an ID. To partially address those concerns, the state passed another law authorizing state license branches to offer free state photo ID cards to individuals who did not already possess another type of state ID.

Upon appeal the United States Supreme Court also ruled in favor of the state in April 2008, setting a legal precedent. Several other states subsequently enacted similar laws in the years following.

In May 2011, the state ended all funding for Planned Parenthood and all other health service providers who offered abortion services. Another law enacted banning abortions for women more than twenty weeks pregnant. Planned Parenthood and the ACLU subsequently brought a lawsuit against the state alleging it was being targeted unfairly, that the state law violated federal medicaid laws, and that their Fourteenth Amendment rights were violated. A May 11 ruling allowing the case to move forward, but denied the request from the petitioners to grant a temporary injunction to restore the funding; however, a June 24 ruling prohibited the state from enforcing the law.

Indiana became the 23rd right-to-work state in the nation, and the first in the industrial Midwest, home to many of the nation’s manufacturing jobs.

I'd like to know what makes him a RINO.

16 posted on 04/05/2012 1:39:12 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Gopher Broke

Excellent. Nothing like an empty school to get the attention of crappy teachers and crappy administrators.

Wish California had this.


17 posted on 04/05/2012 1:47:53 PM PDT by BAW (I heart the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.)
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To: ricmc2175
Parental control is a pipedream. Parents in Massachusetts tried to get charters granted. Not possible unless they are politically correct . Curriculum and assessments control as much as unions.Choice sounds great but only if you are able to truly escape the system. Tax dollars are the fuel of vouchers,tax credits and choice, when the dollars follow the student.

I would sure like to see an endso to union control and the debt that pensions have created which will bankrupt us. I would just urge caution. Change and choice have not eerved us well in the last 50 + years.

18 posted on 04/05/2012 1:59:13 PM PDT by codder too
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To: clee1

[ He IS awesome...

I’d like to see him run for POTUS ]

If we end up in a brokered convention and Gingrich/Palin get “drafted” I would love to see him drafted as VP.


19 posted on 04/05/2012 2:06:38 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: codder too

[ Vouchers, Choice and Charters spell the end of LOCAL ELECTED control. State control is NOT a good option. ]

The sheer existence of the Federal Department of Education and teacher’s unions invalidates your point.

At least with vouchers parents can “vote with their feet”, which is better than union control and federal control.

Ideally we would like to make it “like it was”, but as long as the Federal Dept of Education exists, vouchers and charters are the only escape hatch parents have.


20 posted on 04/05/2012 2:11:44 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

You may be able to “vote with your feet” but vouchers are TAX dollars and carry strings of control with them. Charters are part of the system. Homeschool if you can but don’t use state CYBER options, as they are just more of the same system you want to escape. I just urge using caution as you choose. Question who is promoting CHOICE AND CHANGE.


21 posted on 04/05/2012 2:25:47 PM PDT by codder too
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To: tnlibertarian

“Currently, that option is available only to children in New Orleans and students with special needs in eligible parishes.”

That’s the part that I don’t like; we have a group here in NJ pushing for vouchers, but only in urban districts; in other words, suburban and rural taxpayers (who already pay for the urban public schools) will now be asked to pay for their private schools as well, and the costs (of both their own public school districts, as well as the urban schools) will force them to put THEIR children into their own crappy public school districts.

Both the Dems and the teachers’ unions know vouchers for all would spell the doom of them both.


22 posted on 04/05/2012 3:31:38 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Gopher Broke

Stand by for loud screeching noises, sabotage, and lies, lies, lies.


23 posted on 04/05/2012 6:38:23 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: codder too
Freedom and liberty are pipe dreams until they happen. It is extremely interesting to me that your private reply seems to contradict your public and more wordy reply. If you are a teacher in Massachusetts, which seems likely from the evidence, I can understand why. However, the collapse of this unwieldy, unproductive and extremely expensive bureaucracy of disinformation from which even the politicians and union leaders opt out, is certain.
24 posted on 04/05/2012 6:42:41 PM PDT by ricmc2175
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To: Mr. Lucky

A big government republican can get things right, you know.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2821856/posts

I hate smoking but I’d never welcome a dictator just to get rid of those nasty things.

Indianans should be throwing cigarettes off the docks in Gary to protest Daniels’ statist designs.

Plus, the GOP-E will tell you who is and isn’t a conservative.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/01/25/mitch_daniels_delivers_terrific_speech

==============The Republican establishment doesn’t look at Daniels as a conservative. It’s why the speech was good but they don’t look at him as a conservative. They look at him as a one of them, a moderate. They see him as a moderate. He’s strong conservative on budget matters, but outside of that? “No, no, he’s not an extremist racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe who appeals to the NASCAR hicks who are pro-life.” (interruption) Well, he called Obama an “extremist” but he did in a polite way after praising Obama first.===============

When did Reagan ever praise Carter?

And the republicans ***********STILL******** hate Reagan for never praising Carter.

I’m thankful!!! that Reagan took it to Carter.

No Daniels for me. Ever. I would stay home and be happy about it.


25 posted on 04/05/2012 8:34:47 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: ALPAPilot

See the above post for what makes Daniels a RINO.

Daniels is dead to me just like Romney is dead to me just like four years ago McCain was dead to me.

Statist(R) is just as dangerous as statist(D).


26 posted on 04/05/2012 8:37:18 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: ALPAPilot
"I'd like to know what makes him a RINO."

I didn't say he was. I was pointing out to the previous poster that it takes more than their position on vouchers to determine whether anyone is.

27 posted on 04/05/2012 9:07:55 PM PDT by mlo
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To: codder too; All

In Washington, DC 42% of students are now in Public Charter Schools. Now that the better students with more motivated parents are out of their local schools, they have decided that since there is no increase in test scores in the remaining public schools, a bunch of them should also be closed or turned into Charter Schools. At some point, someone is actually going to have to deal with the problem that there are students at the low end of the totem pole that need more or different than they are getting now. Also that not all parents are motivated to raise their kids properly, or are working too many hours to supervise them properly.


28 posted on 04/05/2012 10:02:38 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Those of us in Indiana are more concerned with action than talk.


29 posted on 04/06/2012 5:29:54 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: kearnyirish2

You’re right. Plus supply and demand and ‘free’ voucher money will make private schools more expensive, particularly for those paying the full price. Just look at what has happened to college tuition.


30 posted on 04/06/2012 5:36:12 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: Mr. Lucky

Daniels is not a RINO and I don’t think anyone denies he is a strong fiscal conservatives. I think some people take issue with his stance that we ignore social issues and some are a little skeptical that the GOPe seems to be trying to push him. Jindal, on the other hand, is clearly not a GOPe guy; in fact, I believe he is the only republican currently in office with NATIONAL name recognition that has not endorsed Romney (correct me if I’m wrong). Jindal is clearly independent, not so clear with Daniels.


31 posted on 04/06/2012 6:11:54 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: codder too

Tuition tax credits may be a better option. Keeping your own $ is not “taxpayer dollars” .(despite what leftards may say).


32 posted on 04/06/2012 9:36:03 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

Tuition tax credits are still tax dollars and must be used in ‘approved’ institutions. That’s the problem. Where could you ‘spend’ them that isn’t part of the same failed system? Would you be free to use that money to buy curricula of your own choosing for homeschooling purposes, or to fund an educational field trip as part of your homeschool plan? I sincerely doubt it. It would be worth investigating in your state. Let me know what you find out.


33 posted on 04/06/2012 10:31:16 AM PDT by codder too
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
He's done more for ending statism than just about any Republican in the country.

The voucher programs alone in Louisiana and Indiana have the potential of ridding us of the scourge of single payer public education. Health Care and Education combined are the vast majority of state spending in every state, and he has taken on both.

Am I in favor of a smoking ban? No. Would I accept a smoking ban if I got an education voucher program, ending funding of Planned Parenthood, and a voter ID law? You bet.

34 posted on 04/06/2012 1:32:24 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: tnlibertarian

“Just look at what has happened to college tuition.”

I’m not sure that college tuition increases were even justified; some of these schools have a lot of money socked away, and I’m sure much of the money they spend is on silly nonsense.


35 posted on 04/06/2012 5:07:28 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: ALPAPilot

Well, that’s the answer. The smoking ban and the love from the big government wing of the republican party. I’m sure there’s more.

The GOP-E really is the canary in the coal mine here though.

If they’re supporting Daniels, he’s no conservative. And that’s a fact that’s as reliable as the Rock of Gibraltar. This is the same GOP-E that hated and still hates Reagan. So what makes Reagan different from Daniels? Conservatism.

The GOP-E does not support conservatives until the odds are so overwhelming. And even then, it’s 50/50 at best.

Did you miss how the GOP-E was sniping at Allen West using the redistricting as a weapon? Yep. That GOP-E supports Daniels.

No way in h3#l Daniels is a conservative. No sir.


36 posted on 04/06/2012 6:14:54 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Gopher Broke
We need to watch this very closely. Louisiana has always been at the bottom regarding school grades. If this pans out, which I believe it will, there will be no more need for the Department of Education. I wish.

Of course, the lawsuits are coming from the NEA, ACLU, and other race mongers. Expect it go to the USSC via the Department of Education, which should be disbanded. In a perfect world, it would be State issue, only.

37 posted on 04/07/2012 3:52:03 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: codder too
"State control is NOT a good option."

I prefer State control over Fedgov control via the Department of Education. That is one bureaucracy that could be completely eliminated without anyone missing it, except for its union members. Can anyone explain succinctly explain what the DoE does other than lobby for more money for the National Education Association (NEA) and pass restrictive regulations?

Federal, State, County, and City employees should never have been allowed to unionize. It is contrary to their basic mission of service and only serves themselves with their outrageous pensions and tenure. Those obscene pensions are killing many States nowadays.

The reason I am such a big States' Rights advocate is because you can always move to another state if you don't agree with its policies/government. You can't get away from Fedgov control without moving out of the country.

38 posted on 04/07/2012 4:06:44 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: Gopher Broke
Louisiana will be home to one of the nation’s largest school voucher programs

The academic ranking for students in Louisiana is at the bottom, so it will be interesting to see if the school voucher works. NEA must be in a panic mode.

39 posted on 04/07/2012 5:11:12 AM PDT by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
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To: John123

The teacher union types have broken out into slobbering fits over the past few weeks...


40 posted on 04/07/2012 5:13:59 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: ricmc2175; codder too
parents keep their tax money and decide where and when to send their children for education.

Well put. Sometimes we tend to lose sight of what exactly is local control.

41 posted on 04/07/2012 5:14:53 AM PDT by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
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To: abb
The teacher union types have broken out into slobbering fits over the past few weeks...

I would think it is hard to defend their position because of the academic ranking of students from Louisiana is near catastrophic.

Someone "failed" and it is not the water.

42 posted on 04/07/2012 5:19:15 AM PDT by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
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To: Gopher Broke

This is how we roll back liberalism. Great news!


43 posted on 04/07/2012 5:19:56 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: tnlibertarian

-—I fear that vouchers are the beginning of state-control of private schools. After all, if state money is being used, then they will start deciding what...-—

The worst case scenario is a return to the status quo ante: fully private schools would return, if govt regulations became too restrictive.

The best-case scenario is a system where parents control their children’s education.

The price if doing nothing is a continued educational decline.


44 posted on 04/07/2012 5:27:37 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: tnlibertarian

-—I fear that vouchers are the beginning of state-control of private schools. After all, if state money is being used, then they will start deciding what...-—

The worst case scenario is a return to the status quo ante: fully private schools would return, if govt regulations became too restrictive.

The best-case scenario is a system where parents control their children’s education.

The price if doing nothing is a continued educational decline.


45 posted on 04/07/2012 5:27:53 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: kearnyirish2

-—That’s the part that I don’t like; we have a group here in NJ pushing for vouchers, but only in urban districts; in other words, suburban and rural taxpayers (who already pay for the urban public schools) will now be asked to pay for their private schools as well,-—

Money is NOT the problem in urban areas. Typical per-pupil expenditures are $20k/student, comparable to the wealthiest suburbs. The money goes to teacher salaries and a large administration.

Typically, urban govt schools have 100x the number of administrators per pupil as Catholic schools.


46 posted on 04/07/2012 5:34:46 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“The money goes to teacher salaries and a large administration.”

That’s right, and in the ‘burbs many of those administrators were let go (because they had no union protection); they, like many cops & firemen, were collateral damage of the teachers’ unions.


47 posted on 04/08/2012 6:08:10 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: wolfman23601

You will be cheered to know that one other prominant Republican governor has not endorsed Mitt Romney: Mitch Daniels. Daniel’s non-confrontational approach on social issues has allowed him to shepherd through America’s strongest state pro-life law as well as the country’s broadest school voucher program.


48 posted on 04/09/2012 6:23:03 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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