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Where's the Map?
American Thinker ^ | 5 April 2012 | Jeff Lipkes

Posted on 04/05/2012 1:09:51 PM PDT by varialectio

On March 13 the Orlando Sentinel published a map of the Twin Lakes community where Trayvon Martin was shot, but no one else seems to have reproduced it. Yet it's impossible to reconstruct the incident without referring to it.

George Zimmerman reports at the beginning of his 911 call that he's on Retreat View Circle, at 111, near the clubhouse, a block from the main entrance to the community, which is off Oregon Avenue. According to the Sentinel's map, the home Trayvon Martin was staying in was further down on Retreat View Circle. (You'll need to check maps.google to get all the street names.) So why doesn't Martin just keep on walking? Zimmerman is trailing him, not blocking his path. If he's really on his way to his dad's fiancee's home, why doesn't he just pick up his pace and continue on back to the house? He would not have had far to go: the house is less than 350 yards from where Zimmerman placed his call.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: enemedia; georgezimmerman; medialynching; trayvon; trayvonmartin; twinlakes; zimmerman

1 posted on 04/05/2012 1:09:58 PM PDT by varialectio
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To: varialectio
And what was the distance to the 7-Eleven to get candy and tea in the rain?
2 posted on 04/05/2012 1:11:39 PM PDT by yobid (Si vis pacem, para bellum, If you wish for peace, prepare for war)
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To: varialectio

You do realize that the facts don’t matter a bit in this case? What matters to the race pimps is the hate-whitey agenda so any “facts” must be twisted to fit.


3 posted on 04/05/2012 1:15:55 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: varialectio; PhatHead
Here is one from a FReeper.

Trayvon Martin Shooting - A Timeline (Vanity)


4 posted on 04/05/2012 1:25:22 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: yobid

0.7, 0.8, 0.9...take your pick. Anyhow, right at a mile to the closest 7-eleven


5 posted on 04/05/2012 1:25:54 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Bullish

I know, but no one’s trying to convert the race-pimps. I think at this point even a few CNN fans are getting a little skeptical, and stuff like this helps. They watch CSI.


6 posted on 04/05/2012 1:30:19 PM PDT by varialectio
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To: varialectio

Looking at google maps, it seems like more like 350 FEET, not YARDS.
Can anyone get the facts right?


7 posted on 04/05/2012 1:35:56 PM PDT by dmet
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To: varialectio
Here is the thing that startles me about this deal:
Many people are claiming that the words of the 911 operator constitutes a “direct order” from the police. In fact, Nancy Grace went apoplectic while screaming those very words at a guest (I know, she is Sheila Jackson Lee stupid, but still...).

There are two things wrong with that claim:
1) The dispatcher is NOT the police - just a citizen - and should be considered such.
2) Even if they were policemen - a policeman telling you something over the phone CANNOT prohibit you from doing something that is perfectly legal, and the policeman saying not to over the phone (NOT on the scene and observing the situation) does not place ANY legal burden on you to act or not to act.

Are people really this stupid??????

8 posted on 04/05/2012 1:36:43 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: Irenic
According to google it is .02 miles to the 7-11 from the front gates. There is a 7-11 in the Sam's plaza.
9 posted on 04/05/2012 1:39:03 PM PDT by WWTraveler
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To: GilesB

Unexpectedly, yes.


10 posted on 04/05/2012 1:40:16 PM PDT by ScoopAmma (We are led by the Resident -in Chief; aka part-time member of Webelo Troop 44)
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To: GilesB
Sure. But the dispatcher was simply giving a common sense suggestion.

Even trained officers one on one with someone will struggle. That's why more or less you have a partner. Now, a volunteer watch person, with probably less training than a officer might be put in a situation that is over his head.

11 posted on 04/05/2012 1:42:43 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: dmet

Oops .. 350 feet to where the shooting occurred
perhaps 600 to where Zimmerman placed the call


12 posted on 04/05/2012 1:45:59 PM PDT by dmet
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To: varialectio

http://i40.tinypic.com/10oh06b.jpg

13 posted on 04/05/2012 1:51:34 PM PDT by gaijin
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GPS of the clubhouse.

N28.79327 W81.33102


14 posted on 04/05/2012 1:56:49 PM PDT by Cololeo
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To: GilesB
Re: “Do Not Follow” Order

No emergency operator is going to tell a caller to pursue a possible criminal.

If the caller gets injured, if the criminal gets injured, if an innocent bystander gets injured, that means an INSTANT LAWSUIT.

15 posted on 04/05/2012 2:02:57 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: yobid

Re: Distance To 7-11

Interesting lack of curiosity by the MSM on this subject.

No store clerks have been interviewed.

No video of Martin in a store or making a purchase.

No time line established.

If the MSM had ANYTHING that helps make Martin look like an innocent victim, it would be on the news.


16 posted on 04/05/2012 2:11:55 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: GilesB

But GZ says, “OK” in response to the dispatcher. He agrees. Then he says “he ran” and further along in the tape he has no idea when the guy is, and doesn’t want to give his address for that reason.


17 posted on 04/05/2012 2:14:09 PM PDT by varialectio
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To: GilesB
I believe that the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that," not "Do not do that."

The dispatcher's comments were ambiguous, and were not instructions.

-PJ

18 posted on 04/05/2012 2:17:50 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Theoria

Thanks for the map and link, and thanks PhatHead for posting it originally. It’s very helpful. Is there a transcript of the call to the girlfriend? I thought all we had is a summary from the girl’s lawyer—who is convinced that Martin was “cornered” and then “pushed.”


19 posted on 04/05/2012 2:25:47 PM PDT by varialectio
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To: varialectio

No transcript, just what ‘they’ put out. That, and the time frame of the call lasting four minutes.


20 posted on 04/05/2012 2:28:49 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: varialectio

Ok does not constitute an agreement to do what the other person said. In fact, the person said, we don’t need you to do that. It wasn’t even an order, but a comment. Ok easily can mean, yeah, I hear you.

What I glean from the situation is George wants to give an address where the police can enter the scene, but T is walking behind dwellings and George can’t see the addresses from the back.

He’s trying to position himself to orient himself to the exact location to give them info, when all of a sudden T appears and initiates the attack.

He denies that he was following T but was trying to keep sight of him while getting an address for the cops.

His father said more accurately if anything T followed George after George lost sight of him.


21 posted on 04/05/2012 2:29:09 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: zeestephen

I too have wondered about the complete lack of info on the gas station.

Wouldn’t reporters fan out to every nearby 7-11, looking for the screen capture of St. Skittles making his last buy?

A close in shot of the very shelf where he picked up the Skittles?

Perhaps walked the route, on camera, sort of like the Stations of the Cross, with one final camera shot ominously zooming in on the neighborhood watch sign, at the gated community entrance?

None of this has been done...personally I don’t think there were any Skittles or Tea. The best source I can get for the origination of this idea is the Martin’s race-baiting attorney, speaking on the subject.

I didn’t see these items listed in the police statements...and I haven’t seen any of the witnesses mention these items. Maybe, just maybe, No Limit N_gga was just ‘wandering around’.


22 posted on 04/05/2012 2:31:15 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew
I'm also waiting for the MSM to leak Martin's toxicology report.

If Martin had no drugs in his system, I absolutely believe that would be all over the news.

Instead, a six week silence, plus the MSM’s sudden “respect” for the “sealed” autopsy report.

23 posted on 04/05/2012 2:48:04 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: varialectio

24 posted on 04/05/2012 2:58:04 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: varialectio

To get a better idea of the distance, imagine a football field. That’s 100 yards. Martin was supposed to have been on the football team so lets say he could run the length of the field in 18 seconds. The author says the gf’s house wase “less than 350 yards” at the beginning of Zimmerman’s call and that at some point Martin was running, so he could have been at the house in a minute or so. However, Zimmerman’s call lasted 4 minutes. Even a combination of walking and loping (as opposed to an all out sprint down a football field) would have had him inside the house before the end of the call. That means Martin didn’t head straight to the house.


25 posted on 04/05/2012 3:22:33 PM PDT by bgill
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To: zeestephen

Whut?

You think a yoot, who had just been expelled for drug paraphernalia, could be using the whacky weed?

And the media doesn’t want to find that out?

My faith in the media has been dashed.

Al & Jesse will just say the report is false.


26 posted on 04/05/2012 3:29:09 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: yobid
0.9 miles, or an 18-minute walk, each way. Map.
27 posted on 04/05/2012 3:33:14 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: varialectio
Is there a transcript of the call to the girlfriend? I thought all we had is a summary from the girl’s lawyer—who is convinced that Martin was “cornered” and then “pushed.”

Supposedly, the family lawyer, Benjamin Crump, took an affidavit from her not long after the incident. Unless she recorded the call, which is highly unlikely, all we will have is her testimony about what they said and what she heard. Plus, obviously, the exact call times from T-Mobile.

28 posted on 04/05/2012 3:42:57 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: zeestephen; dmet

Feet or yards, there’s no way if Martin had been the little angel the msm says he was, it would have taken him over 4 minutes to walk/run the short distance between the mailboxes (B) and where he died (F). A normal person would have booked it straight to the house. He didn’t.

**** Ack, this very minute, CBS news is showing an NAACP protest march. They’re still showing pictures of Martin as a sweet little kid and Zimmerman in jail orange. The Grand Jury meets next week so we’ll have to see if this gets to them or not.


29 posted on 04/05/2012 3:47:13 PM PDT by bgill
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To: lacrew; zeestephen

Are you aware that both AZ Tea and Skittles are street names for illegal drugs?


30 posted on 04/05/2012 4:35:15 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: hoosiermama

I knew Skittles was a code word for drugs...was not aware that Ariz Tea was also.


31 posted on 04/05/2012 4:50:11 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: varialectio
The MSM is happy to edit Zimmerman's 911 call to depict him as a racist. But they are unwilling to publish a map that clearly indicates, when coupled with the call, that Martin didn't choose to do what anyone who felt threatened by a stranger might be expected to do: head for home, less than 1000 feet away. Why doesn't he return to the home?

The MSM is losing interest in this - they wanted to destroy a white conservative... and the poverty pimps wanted to shake down guilty white liberals... and the liberal cable guys didn't want to get caught lying. Not only will there NOT be map - soon there won't be a story...

32 posted on 04/05/2012 4:50:38 PM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: hoosiermama; lacrew; zeestephen

I know that ‘tea’ is a very old name for marajuana.


33 posted on 04/05/2012 4:55:43 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: hoosiermama

Ok, I looked it up.

The first swig of an Arizona Tea, to relieve a parched mouth from bong hits, is called a ‘Mary Jane Tea’.

And ‘Skittles’ is a name for abusing cough syrup.

Hmmm


34 posted on 04/05/2012 5:06:05 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew; All
...personally I don’t think there were any Skittles or Tea.

From DEA website:

DEXTROMETHORPHAN (Street Names: DXM, CCC, Triple C, Skittles, Robo, Poor Man’s PCP)

From another source:

Tea - Marijuana; PCP

35 posted on 04/05/2012 5:19:02 PM PDT by QT3.14 (OBAMA's life: a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma)
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To: lacrew

What I found was AZ tea is marijuana laced or dipped in PCP
Skittles is Ecstasy.

Others have found variations on the above.


36 posted on 04/05/2012 5:23:09 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: lacrew
The left have been filling in the blanks with supposition:

Here's my take on conversation with dispatcher.

Dispatchers asks what Trayvon was doing so Zimmerman assumed they wanted him to keep an eye on TM. TM took off. In order to do that (see him) he had to get out of his truck. At that time he said “It's f in cold.
Dispatcher realizing he was outside said “you don't have to do that”
Zimmerman said OK.

When TM started running and Z noted to dispatcher that he was going toward back gate. At that time Z noted “Thugs always get away (through/over the back gate). *He had caught a group going over the fence at the pool, breaking in to club house. It was noted on town page.)
Dispatcher wanted to know where to send the officer, GZ tried to find an address by looking around, walking around the community. He did not know where TM had gone and noted that to dispatcher.


I question from the map that the conversation ended by the fence next to high way and why they were both so far down the middle sidewalk. Was he still looking for an address? Planning to direct police there when they called him.

======================================================= ALSO Why would any one use a racial term to an unseen dispatcher, not knowing what race that person was? Maybe among friends, but never to a stranger.

37 posted on 04/05/2012 5:38:14 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: hoosiermama
Why would any one use a racial term to an unseen dispatcher, not knowing what race that person was?

Old story. May even be true.

When Lyndon Johnson was President, it was his custom to call the Marine Barracks to have a Marine sent as escort for one of his daughters when there was some big "do" in the White House. According to the story, Johnson called the Marine Barracks and made his request. Then he warned the Duty Officer, "No damned Spicks, understand?" The Duty Officer replied, "Yes, sir, no damned Spicks." The night of the event, Ladybird went to the door to let the Marine in. Tall, handsome, and black as the Ace of Spades. Ladybird said, "There must be some mistake." The Marine replied, "No Ma'am, Captain Rodriguez never makes a mistake."

I hope the Captain had transfer orders already in hand.

38 posted on 04/05/2012 6:36:32 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: JoeFromSidney
May not be true, too.

Who knows?

39 posted on 04/05/2012 6:39:53 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: bgill
Re: Jailhouse Orange

Have you seen the side by side comparison of Zimmerman's original booking photograph and the “skin color adjusted” version being used by the MSM?

In the original, Zimmerman's skin is obviously brown and most people would guess he's Hispanic.

In the MSM version Zimmerman is totally white and his jail shirt is some weird purple color.

By the way - I did some research today on the special prosecutor presenting the case against Zimmerman to the Grand Jury.

I think her name is Angela Corey, and I assumed the worst, that she was the Governor's black affirmative action choice.

Wrong - she's white, 57 years old, a career prosecutor, and has handled more than 100 justifiable homicide cases, in Jacksonville, as I recall, which means she is no stranger to the political firestorm of black/white violence.

40 posted on 04/05/2012 10:00:15 PM PDT by zeestephen
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