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Coast Guard fires on Japanese ghost ship [not a WW II thread]
mynorthwest.com ^ | 4/5/2012 | unknown

Posted on 04/05/2012 6:34:25 PM PDT by matt1234

The U.S. Coast Guard unleashed cannon fire Thursday at a Japanese vessel set adrift by last year's tsunami, stopping the ship's long, lonely voyage across the Pacific Ocean.

A Coast Guard cutter fired on the abandoned 164-foot Ryou-Un Maru in the waters of the Gulf of Alaska and more than 150 miles from land, spokesman Paul Webb said.

Soon after the cannon fire started, the ship burst into flames, began to take on water and list, Chief Petty Officer Kip Wadlow said.

About two hours later, the vessel hadn't sunk and the cutter resumed shelling, Lt. Veronica Colbath said.

The vessel poses a significant hazard and the Coast Guard has been warning mariners to stay away, Wadlow said. Aviation authorities are also advising pilots to steer clear of the area.

Officials decided to sink the ship rather than risk the chance of it running aground or endangering other vessels.

(Excerpt) Read more at mynorthwest.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Japan; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: alaska; blowedup; canada; japan; tsunami; tsunamidebris
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No word on whether the ghosts fired back.
1 posted on 04/05/2012 6:34:36 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: matt1234

We should’ve towed it back to Iron Bottom Sound off Guadalcanal.


2 posted on 04/05/2012 6:36:39 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: matt1234

It looks a bit rusty, but I wonder why they didn’t board, tow, and salvage it?

At the least, it’s quite a bit of scrap metal.


3 posted on 04/05/2012 6:38:21 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

>It looks a bit rusty, but I wonder why they didn’t board, tow, and salvage it?

Because salvage makes sense.


4 posted on 04/05/2012 6:40:27 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Cicero

Cost of salvage towing (manpower, fuel, etc) probably far exceeds scrap value.


5 posted on 04/05/2012 6:42:51 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: matt1234

“About two hours later, the vessel hadn’t sunk and the cutter resumed shelling, Lt. Veronica Colbath said. “

Why can’t the coast guard sink an abandoned vessel? Should we be concerned about this?


6 posted on 04/05/2012 6:47:31 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Cicero

Article says a Canadian ship attempted salvage but was unsuccessful.


7 posted on 04/05/2012 6:47:31 PM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: matt1234

This may be a stupid question, but do we know whether or not there are human remains onboard?


8 posted on 04/05/2012 6:48:32 PM PDT by lauraw
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To: matt1234
Well in all seriousness, I wonder if there are not some WWII-era Japanese soldiers still entrenched on some deserted islands, thinking that we are at war.

Granted, they would be close to 90 years old by now but in tropical climes, they are probably still in reasonably good health. My advice is to stay away from those islands because if they saw some Americans walking around, they would probably be pissed. Especially if they were attired in tourist garb, like Hawaiian shirts, Bermuda shorts and deck shoes.

9 posted on 04/05/2012 6:48:41 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 35 days away from outliving Phil Hartman)
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To: RFEngineer
Why can’t the coast guard sink an abandoned vessel?

I was troubled by that, too. Sounds like the gunners need the practice. I bet it was fun.

10 posted on 04/05/2012 6:49:19 PM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: RFEngineer

They should have waited another week before trying to sink this ship.


11 posted on 04/05/2012 6:50:00 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: lauraw
This may be a stupid question, but do we know whether or not there are human remains onboard?

Valid question. A boarding party should have searched the vessel before sinking her. Not sure if that was done.

12 posted on 04/05/2012 6:51:31 PM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: lauraw

The vessel was waiting to be scraped when it was in Japan.

I did see a video clip of what looked like a USCG RHIB alongside for inspection.


13 posted on 04/05/2012 6:55:02 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: matt1234

Who you gonna call?


14 posted on 04/05/2012 6:55:34 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (who??? ? ?? Who knew?)
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To: matt1234
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the Environmental Protection Agency studied the problem and decided it is safer to sink the ship and let the fuel evaporate in the open water

Safer than what?
15 posted on 04/05/2012 6:58:33 PM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: matt1234
Valid question. A boarding party should have searched the vessel before sinking her. Not sure if that was done.

And once the search was done they could have placed a shaped charge that would have blown a nice hole in it for a lot less money than a bunch of artillery shells.

16 posted on 04/05/2012 7:00:03 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: matt1234
About two hours later, the vessel hadn't sunk and the cutter resumed shelling,
Lt. Veronica Colbath said. This time, the Coast Guard used 50 mm shells.


"Did we give up when the Germans attacked Dutch Harbor?"

17 posted on 04/05/2012 7:00:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: mnehring
I was hopeful but that's what the Canadians decided.

I thought that would be a fun thing to own if you had the resources and knowhow to navigate and maintain it. Immediately thought houseboat.

18 posted on 04/05/2012 7:13:45 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: OneWingedShark
NO, because salvage, cutting it up for scrap, cost more than it's worth.
19 posted on 04/05/2012 7:17:53 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Cicero

If explosives are AN option then explosives are THE answer.


20 posted on 04/05/2012 7:20:40 PM PDT by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: RFEngineer

25mm and 50mm can sink a vessel that size....with hundreds of rounds. If I were the Skipper, I’d challenge my Gunners Mates...3 rounds, 5/54=3 days shore leave, no curfew; Chief, and, or Officer of the Deck carte blanche to provide bail IF THE SHIP IS SUNK!


21 posted on 04/05/2012 7:21:07 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: RFEngineer
Why can’t the coast guard sink an abandoned vessel? Should we be concerned about this?

It's actually harder to sink a ship than it looks. I've done this... I was a Coastie in a former life, many years ago. I got to personally put some holes in and sink a few things out there. Derelict vessels are not uncommon, and we'd routinely sink them to keep them from becoming hazards to navigation. That-- and it was just plain fun.

Ships are designed to float and they have lots of spaces that trap air... From watertight working compartments to various voids and tanks. A little bit of air has enough bouyancy to support an enormous amount of ship. Sinking a ship that large will mean poking lots of holes in lots of places. They're probably in no hurry either. May as well drag it out as long as possible and use it as a great gunnery exercise.

My ship had a 3" deck gun (big, big fun!) and a couple of 50's. It only took the tiniest excuse to tune up the guns and play a bit. "Gee, cap'n... That there looks like a hazard to navigation to me... What do you think...?". :-)

22 posted on 04/05/2012 7:22:53 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: matt1234

No photos? No Video?

Boooo!


23 posted on 04/05/2012 7:25:10 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Eaker
The venerable MK 48 is that solution ☺


24 posted on 04/05/2012 7:31:18 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cicero

Because expending munitions is more fun than salvaging.


25 posted on 04/05/2012 7:32:53 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: mylife; Anoreth; Tax-chick

Anoreth woulda sunk it on the first try...


26 posted on 04/05/2012 7:35:51 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1171 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: null and void
Aim small miss small ☺
27 posted on 04/05/2012 7:37:50 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cicero
If you read the rest of the article, a Canadian salvage company claimed it, boarded it, and then told the Coast Guard it was in too bad a shape to tow to port.

Sinking it deep is the only option.

Towing is not an easy operation. It's a way to lose two ships instead of just one.

28 posted on 04/05/2012 7:45:33 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: mnehring

“Cost of salvage towing (manpower, fuel, etc) probably far exceeds scrap value.”

Scrap is going for at least $300/ton currently so it would be proftable to scrap it.


29 posted on 04/05/2012 8:20:15 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: matt1234

My Son’s Destroyer sank a drifting yacht after they retrieved the dead captain!


30 posted on 04/05/2012 8:28:48 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Let's get the hell rid of Zero)
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To: matt1234

My Son’s Destroyer sank a drifting yacht after they retrieved the dead captain!


31 posted on 04/05/2012 8:28:49 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Let's get the hell rid of Zero)
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To: matt1234

My Son’s Destroyer sank a drifting yacht after they retrieved the dead captain!


32 posted on 04/05/2012 8:28:49 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Let's get the hell rid of Zero)
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To: matt1234

My Son’s Destroyer sank a drifting yacht after they retrieved the dead captain!


33 posted on 04/05/2012 8:28:49 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Let's get the hell rid of Zero)
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To: matt1234

My Son’s Destroyer sank a drifting yacht after they retrieved the dead captain!


34 posted on 04/05/2012 8:28:54 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Let's get the hell rid of Zero)
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To: matt1234

My Son’s Destroyer sank a drifting yacht after they retrieved the dead captain!


35 posted on 04/05/2012 8:28:59 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Let's get the hell rid of Zero)
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To: Empireoftheatom48

Oh sorry !


36 posted on 04/05/2012 8:30:37 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Let's get the hell rid of Zero)
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To: SamAdams76
I think it's possible. There are places in the pacific where people rarely trek. The second to last Japanese to surrender is 90 and still very much alive.

He stood down in 1974 and only after his commanding officer traveled to the remote island in the Philippines and gave the order in person. His last orders were to never surrender and do anything necessary to keep the enemy off the Island indefinitely, even without any communications as often happened in island warfare. He did just that and sabotaged the natives for 30 years by burning rice, destroying airfields and docks. When relieved of duty, he still had his uniform, the original rifle in working order and hundreds of rounds.

Upon returning to Japan, he wept after seeing so many traditional Japanese values lost in the modern culture...

37 posted on 04/05/2012 8:40:19 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: Empireoftheatom48

LOL! Keyboard jam?


38 posted on 04/05/2012 8:45:26 PM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: mylife

39 posted on 04/05/2012 8:48:58 PM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: matt1234

That’s pretty lame! LOL


40 posted on 04/05/2012 9:06:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Empireoftheatom48

You don’t say!


41 posted on 04/05/2012 9:20:42 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: mylife

There was a ship off Coos Bay Oregon that was hit with at least one Mk 48 and didn’t sink. Cant remember the name of it.


42 posted on 04/05/2012 9:35:44 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: matt1234

If that is the cutter on scene it looks like a 110 (110ft cutter). 110’s don’t have big deck guns. IIRC they have a 20mm on deck and some 50’s. That’s gonna mean lots and lots of little holes.


43 posted on 04/05/2012 10:02:27 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius

*snort* Boys and their toys!


44 posted on 04/05/2012 10:14:22 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Ramius
If that is the cutter on scene it looks like a 110 (110ft cutter).

The article says the derelict ship is 164 feet. The cutter looks comparable. What do you think?

45 posted on 04/05/2012 10:17:36 PM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: lauraw

No, there wasn’t anyone on the vessel when it was taken out to sea. It was in a yard, ready to be scrapped.


46 posted on 04/05/2012 10:18:27 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Tailback

The New Carissa. If I remember correctly, after she was abandoned she was headed in around Tillamook, then towed out farther to sea with the idea that she would sink on her own, then the Navy or Coastguard was called to finish her off, and then she ended up on the North spit. It may have been even slightly more complicated than that. I was long gone by then (I’m originally from Coos County) but my Dad was one of the locals initially most involved on the ground after she hit.


47 posted on 04/05/2012 10:38:42 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: matt1234

I don’t make 164 feet on that ship. That looks like a 110 cutter to me. Probably the CGC Cuttyhunk, out of Port Angeles, WA or the CGC Orcas, out of Coos Bay, OR.


48 posted on 04/05/2012 10:51:05 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius

“It’s actually harder to sink a ship than it looks.”

So perhaps we could use this as the new motto for the Coast Guard. “This Job Is Harder Than It Looks - Go Coast Guard!”


49 posted on 04/06/2012 4:08:01 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Cicero

That was my first thought too, then I thought it probably has a hold full of rotted fish.


50 posted on 04/06/2012 4:16:20 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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