Skip to comments.Rise in justifiable homicides linked to weak gun control laws
Posted on 04/05/2012 7:58:27 PM PDT by marktwain
Rising numbers of civilian justifiable homicides across the US are closely linked to states with both weak gun controls and stand-your-ground laws, according to a Guardian analysis of FBI and other data, which show a 25% increase in such killings since the controversial self-defence laws started being introduced around 2005.
Stand-your-ground (SYG) measures, which have attracted increasing scrutiny since the fatal shooting of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin by a neighbourhood watch volunteer in Florida, allow citizens to use deadly force when they believe their life is in danger, without requiring them to retreat or try to escape the threat first.
Florida was the first state to introduce an SYG law in 2005 and similar measures have now been adopted in some form by more than 20 states. Many were passed in 2006.
The Trayvon Martin case has led to calls for the SYG laws to be reviewed or repealed.
But the Guardian analysis shows that these measures alone cannot be statistically linked with the rise in justifiable homicides. However, in states with both SYG laws and the weakest gun controls as defined by the Brady Campaign against gun violence we found a statistical correlation with an increase in justifiable homicides.
Across the US, such killings have risen sharply over the last five years, according to the data provided by the FBI and the Florida department of law enforcement. Between 2001 and 2005, there were 1,225 homicides classed as justifable, compared to 1,528 in the period 2006-2010. By contrast, violent crime overall has been falling.
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Hey guardian azzhats, thanks for making it abundantly clear that you are part of the predator class. See my tag...
So the opposite result is better?
Murders and lots of violent crime linked to strong gun laws?
It took 3 geniuses to write this?
You say it like it’s a bad thing.
The Guardian has to be excerpted. It is a far left English paper. The entire article makes it clear that the disapprove of ordinary people having access to guns.
Hey Guardian...go screw. One of your headlines about the gun free England just two months ago.
“Murder rate rose 5% last year”
How many victims saved their lives in the US being armed over victims being killed being unarmed in the UK, you Commie Pinko losers?
“the disapprove” should be “they disapprove”
TRANSLATION: Eric Holder’s people consider violent crime to be a legitimate career path, and armed victims to be an OSHA violation.
The Guardian is happy with the skyrocketing crime rate in England. They want to share with us.
“However, in states with both SYG laws and the weakest gun controls... we found ...an increase in justifiable homicides.”
Great news! It works!
I fail to see any problem.....
This editorial of theirs must have been terribly hard to write, because in just about any direction they could argue, self-defense is always reasonable.
It would be interesting to write an article about a future Britain where guns were legal, criminals had to serve long and harsh prison sentences, and heinous criminals would be executed. Such an article would be positive and optimistic, and show how the overall character of the British would improve.
Such an article would imagine ordinary people protecting and defending the elderly the young and the weak from violence by criminals, how the streets were again safe, and how disorderly and vicious people were put on the defensive out of fear of the good citizenry.
So if justifiable homicides go up but violent crime goes down, doesn’t that mean that less good guys are dying?
Uh Guardian, a dead thug is a good thing.
It is pretty obvious to anyone with at least two functioning brain cells (which automatically disqualifies libtards) that Mr. Zimmerman could not retreat while the larger Mr. Martin was on top of him smashing his head into concrete repeatedly.
He was not “standing his ground”, he was pinned to it.
The guardian can kiss my red-white-and-blue ass. Fight for what you believe in, stand your ground, and live by the rules set forth by our founding fathers. That is the American way!
Preaching to the choir here.
Thugs have TRIED to mug me twice.
Won’t go into details, let’s just say I’m culturally a Texan (now living in Cali).
“Eric Holders people consider violent crime to be a legitimate career path, and armed victims to be an OSHA violation.”
Good one. Prepare to be plagiarized.
Great news! It works!
This is really the truth. So now instead of murders by burglars, rapist we have JUSTIFIED killing. Killing a bad guy keeps him from killing how many others, how many burglaries are prevented?
It is a shame that Martin had to die, but, it was justified. As far as I’m concerned bad guys don’t deserve to be in society. If Martin was just a burglar then he shouldn’t have had to die, but he was not just a burglar, he was a violent criminal out to kill Zimmerman and steal his gun. It was the gun he wanted. It started out just giving some pain to whitey but when he discovered the gun it was time for Travon to kill. Fortunately it was Travon Martin that got killed instead of the good law abiding citizen Zimmerman.
I am so tired of people saying Zimmerman disobeyed a police order to stop following Martin. That is not what happened, a police radio dispatcher, not a cop, more like a receptionist told Zimmerman that he didn’t have to keep following. Nobody told him not to. As it turns out Zimmerman probably protected his community from Martins life of crime.
Stand your ground laws simply protect you when you stand up to a criminal. There should be a reward given to a person who kills a criminal in the commission of a crime.
Justifiable. Hmm, is it just me, but doesn’t that word imply that the killing was, uh, justified?
And that’s why it’s not called “justifiable murder”?
Note, the emphasis above is mine. So, the reverse is true then? In states with "strong" gun control laws and/or no stand-your-ground provision there are fewer justifiable homicides? Are the people there just nicer? Or are people deserving of getting killed being allowed to live and harm/threaten/kill others?
I'm sorry Guardian, you just made our (us pro 2nd Amendment types) case. Justifiable homicides are, well justified by definition. As if there were any doubt:
By contrast, violent crime overall has been falling.
Let me guess, they didn't investigate any statistical linkage there, any causal relationship. Or if they did, they didn't like the results and therefore aren't reporting on it. Bad people being justifiably killed, and violent crimes are decreasing. Hmmm, that's a tough one... Ok, you got me. I fail to see a problem here, other than the potential for a rise in the demand-for, and cost-of ammunition.
“According to the FBI’s crime reporting handbook, “Justifiable homicide, by definition, occurs in conjunction with other offenses”. It reminds reporting agencies to “take care to ensure they do not classify a killing as justifiable or excusable solely on the claim of self-defense or on the action of a coroner, prosecutor, grand jury or court”.”
On careful reading, the above is a null statement, in that the FBI warns against accepting a defendant’s claim of self-defense, and/or “the action of a coroner, prosecutor, grand jury or court”.
Stupid FBI Butt Monkey quoted in the above (from the article) has left no way to ascertain guilt.
I’m sorry, the nice FBI Butt Monkey wants Holde’s Hoodz to decide.
If J. Edgar were alive, he’d be collecting that Butt Monkey’s panties, after kicking said Monkey’s butt until its nose bled. The FBI has come down a long way, judging from the above.
OK, hate to do this, but I have to disagree with you. There is a more serious problem involved. You said, “ I fail to see a problem here, other than the potential for a rise in the demand-for, and cost-of ammunition.”
Good handguns are getting more expensive, too.
apparently- that’s how liberals think unfortunately- if it’s bad, it must be good- if it’s good, there msut be a law to prevent any more good from happening- so as not to discriminate agaINST ANYONE APPARENTLY
To mostl iberals, morality is a subjective suggestion, to God however, morality is a decree of the highest order- Tha’s evidently why the left hates it so much- it restricts their own sense of justification and is too narrow for their liking- They want God- but they want God to be made in their image-
justifiable homicides == self defense
I’d rather have more dead bad guys then more dead victims
then again, I’m a stupid conservative type that believes in smaller govt and tougher crime laws (whose sentences are actually carried out completely)
Notice the Guardian’s use of a young Trayvon photo and a current one of Zimmerman. Oldest communist trick in the world. Used in Vietnam by Hanoi a lot.
But then again, the Guardian is a marxist rag and always has been. The old US marxist Guardian was a far better paper. At least it told its readers it was marxist.
Good shotguns are still fairly reasonable. They also provide a nice audible deterrent. Nothing quite says "get out of my house" like the sound of a 12 gauge pump jacking one into the chamber. Of course, concealed carry can be a bit problematic.
I wonder if they bothered to check to see that gun crime in the UK is higher than the per capita gun crime in the US. And in a country with one of the highest restrictive gun laws. No more knives with sharp points either, only rounded ones are now for sale. Then too, a country where if you hurt or injure someone breaking into your house you’re the one who is going to be arrested.
Thanks, I was beginning to feel lonely. The first reports mentioned Zimmerman's gun (semiautomatic) as recovered by the police, having a full magazine and an empty shell case in the chamber. The only way I could see that happening is Martin grabbing the gun with his left hand over the slide while he tried to wrestle the gun from Zimmerman. If Zimmerman had his finger in the trigger guard and Martin yanked the gun back towards his chest, it is probable that he in fact shot himself in the chest. The gun fired while he was holding the slide in place which prevented the empty from being ejected and a live round from being loaded into the chamber.
It would be very interesting to see if Martin had nitrate residue on his left palm and forearm.
Yes, that noise will open some eyes.. I suspect readying a 9mm would get their attention as well. But a 12 gauge is something everyone knows the sound of.
at least you can hide a 9mm on your body.
That’s my suspicion as well. Not that such a technical fact will matter to obastard, Sharpton, Jesse, Holder, and Holder’s “my people.” Or the rest of the leftscum...
People exercising self-defense is not a bad thing. Only for the criminals.
Put the shootings in context, how many were deemed to be non-justified? Come on liberal media!
It’s not like permit holders go hunting for trouble. Trouble finds them, like bashing in their doors, trying to rob them, carjack them. Freaking idiots.
All of them wishing they had a gun when their daughter is raped in front of them and the thugs decide to murder the lot of them.
Great point! Going to buy a Mossy 12 gauge this weekend! /no joke
[Rise in justifiable homicides linked to weak gun control laws
I’m not seeing the problem.
The more thugs we shoot the less thugs there will be. I don’t see a problem!
To paraphrase John Lott: “More Guns; Less Criminals”
Harry is trying hard to get laid with either Gabriel or Karen.
Harry is trying hard to get laid with either Gabriel or Karen. Leftists have the same proclivities as Bonobo Chimps.
You don't see anything wrong with not being able to shoot the apologists?
That's a bizarre and wrongheaded argument to make on the Guardian's part.
To me, the only tragedy is that so many normal citizens have had to defend themselves and their families from feral criminals who do not fear breaking into a man's home or mugging citizens on the streets.
It is evident that the idiots at the Guardian would rather see Americans burdened with the same tragic situation as in Britain, where home invasions and street robberies are common, and the criminals rarely punished.
If these criminals would stop being violent predators, they would stop dying.
Thanks, I was beginning to feel lonely. The first reports mentioned Zimmerman’s gun (semiautomatic) as recovered by the police, having a full magazine and an empty shell case in the chamber. The only way I could see that happening is Martin grabbing the gun with his left hand over the slide while he tried to wrestle the gun from Zimmerman. If Zimmerman had his finger in the trigger guard and Martin yanked the gun back towards his chest, it is probable that he in fact shot himself in the chest. The gun fired while he was holding the slide in place which prevented the empty from being ejected and a live round from being loaded into the chamber.
It would be very interesting to see if Martin had nitrate residue on his left palm and forearm. . . .
While I wonder about the powder residue and agree with your probable assessment, the powder residue does not prove anything accept that what Zimmeran said COULD have happened. Martin could have just as well been trying to keep Zimmerman from shooting him and the evidence results would be the same.
And WE bailed THIS DUMBASS Inbred “Country”s’ ASS out twice in the 20th Century/ We should have let the Kaiser and/or the Nazis have this POS “Country” then NUKED ALL OF THEM!
IOW before laws were corrected, innocent people were being charged. This is why stand your ground laws have prohibitions against an arrest.
The artible fails to mention how this has neutered the tort lawyers who sued on these. Remember this has also helped with our home liability insurances.
Sheesh...you’d think the Feds would have enough common sense to not want their tax paying citizens slaughtered and the parasites living on the dole in jail?!!!!!
Or is it that the Dems see potential voters dying?
Perhaps, however I would think that if Martin was trying to block the pistol he would have pushed it sideways to deflect the point of aim. Of course then the gun would have cycled and the spent shell casing ejected. He would have done better to push back on the slide, taking it out of battery, as that would keep the gun from firing. In which case the shell in the chamber would still be live as no shot occurred. Odds are that he had his hand gripping the slide (which kept it from cycling properly) and was trying to pull it out of Zimmerman's hand. Bad idea! Given that either man could have fired the gun we will never know for certain, even Zimmerman can't know for sure.
I like the irony of him shooting himself, it makes a strong point about gang bangers (being relatively low wattage...).
Debunking the stand your ground myth
good thing the “Guardian” isn’t guarding our Constitution.
I know we talked about this - but took me a while to get what the words were saying. OK we have states where you can get firearms easily and crime is down - and they say that is a bad thing - what a screwed mess.
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