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IRS Commissioner: Paying Taxes Is Pathway to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens
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Posted on 04/06/2012 6:30:36 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

IRS Commissioner: Paying Taxes Is Pathway to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens By Elizabeth Harrington April 5, 2012

(CNSNews.com) – Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Douglas Shulman said Thursday that paying taxes is a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens.

At the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., 12 days before this year's tax-filing deadline (Apr. 17), Shulman was asked about what his agency is doing to collect taxes from illegal aliens.

“You know, it’s a great question,” he said. “One of the pathways to citizenship that people believe is a good one is--even if you’re not in this country legally--to pay taxes.”

“And so our job is to make sure, if you work in this country and you have a tax obligation, that you file a tax return,” said Shulman. “That’s what we try to do. And so our job is around exactly what whoever wrote the question asked, which is to make sure taxes are paid. We’re not responsible for the other pieces of immigration law, immigration policy.”

Illegal aliens do not have legitimate Social Security Numbers that entitle them to work in the United States--or to file federal tax returns. IRS and Social Security Administration records show that every year many millions of people file taxes using Social Security Numbers that either were never issued by the government or do not match the name of the person using it.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; freeforall; illegalaliens; immigration; taxes
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1 posted on 04/06/2012 6:30:41 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Paying taxes? More like getting Earned Income tax credits.


2 posted on 04/06/2012 6:32:28 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: rbg81

You’re right. This is a canard. Low income people, illegals and others, don’t pay income taxes anyway. Hell, 49% of everybody in the USA don’t pay income taxes.


3 posted on 04/06/2012 6:37:52 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Sub-Driver

This man is clearly too stupid to hold his job. As an IRS employee, he should understand that in order to pay taxes, a person must earn above a certain amount.

As an IRS employee, he probably recognizes the fact that only 51% of the people in this country actually pay into the system, and that 47-48% receive money OUT of this system. Thus, does this dunce truly believe that illegal aliens earn more, and actually pay taxes on the income that is greater than that of 50% of the American population?

He’s either too stupid to hold this position, or he’s too deceitful to be trusted to hold this position.


4 posted on 04/06/2012 6:40:31 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Sub-Driver

So...if the IRS and Pew can determine which taxpayers are in fact in the country illegally, to the extent they are spewing data to back it up, why are they not culpable for not reporting them to the INS?


5 posted on 04/06/2012 6:42:12 AM PDT by antonico
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To: Sub-Driver; xzins

Isn’t NOT paying taxes supposed to be a pathway to PRISON?

When is the last time an illegal alien was arrested for income tax evasion or income tax fraud?


6 posted on 04/06/2012 6:44:09 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Sub-Driver

Another area Obama will be granted ‘flexibility’ should he win re-election.


7 posted on 04/06/2012 6:45:32 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Sub-Driver

Wouldn’t a taxpayer need a valid SSN# if in fact they made enough to pay taxes. I’d always hoped several illegals would use my SSN so I could get bigger a payout when I retired.


8 posted on 04/06/2012 6:48:43 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Sub-Driver

Bump.


9 posted on 04/06/2012 6:54:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: Sub-Driver
....." And so our job is around exactly what whoever wrote the question asked, which is to make sure taxes are paid. We’re not responsible for the other pieces of immigration law, immigration policy.”

So, here we reveal our government's willingness to SELL citizenship to people whose first act in this country was to break our laws.

The word prostitute comes to mind, as the Internal Revenue Service assumes the role of pimp.

10 posted on 04/06/2012 6:55:04 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: P-Marlowe; Sub-Driver

I agree, P-M. It’s illegal to be here in the first place, so any job acquired is also illegal, and compounding that is an evasion of taxes.

They should be arrested and any employer should also be arrested. Both would be avoiding taxes. The illegal should be charged and sent back to country of origin.


11 posted on 04/06/2012 7:03:46 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: rbg81
"More like getting Earned Income tax credits."

In an Obamanation, being a tax filer who pays no taxes, but collects taxpayer subsidies is "pathway to citizenship."

This is the dark secret of all the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" proposals that try to sucker Americans by saying they're "not Amnesty because they make the illegal file back taxes."

So called Conservatives or Tea Party leaders/members who try to sell this are a disgrace.

12 posted on 04/06/2012 7:05:41 AM PDT by drpix
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To: bjorn14

Did you never hear of “Earned Income Credits?”


13 posted on 04/06/2012 7:07:49 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Sub-Driver

This is where it is all headed for...

http://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-blog/carry-on/2012/4/5/owe-the-irs-bill-would-suspend-passport-rights-for-delinquent-taxpayers

The Rinocracy thinks they can circumvent the Bill of Rights via the IRS. As well as bypass the normal legal paths to citizenship. They continue ultimately to try to dilute and disenfranchise our votes.


14 posted on 04/06/2012 7:09:27 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes, Dear Marxist, because paying taxes is all one need do to be a good “citizen”.


15 posted on 04/06/2012 7:20:55 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Sub-Driver

Wow. The IRS commissioner sets immigration policy for the US now. When did he get that power?


16 posted on 04/06/2012 7:21:04 AM PDT by Harley (Will Rogers never met Harry Reid.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes, Dear Marxist, because paying taxes is all one need do to be a good “citizen”.


17 posted on 04/06/2012 7:21:04 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Sub-Driver

And the fraud begins


18 posted on 04/06/2012 7:33:21 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Harley
The IRS commissioner sets immigration policy for the US now. When did he get that power?
Yeah, that was my first thought too.
These SOBs don't fear/respect the taxpayers enough. Time for the tar and feathers again.
19 posted on 04/06/2012 7:33:52 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Amberdawn

unelected offical trying to make policy.


20 posted on 04/06/2012 7:34:14 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: bjorn14

Okay - so either way they are breaking the law AGAIN beyond illegal entry!.

1) Not paying “withholding” even though they would get it back.
2) Paying “withholding” using a Fake SSN - thus committing fraud!

So why are they still here? Then there is the little detail that folks that are here legally, but are resident aliens PAY taxes, and they aren’t necessarily granted citizenship. Seems like illegals have more rights than I do!?!


21 posted on 04/06/2012 8:00:51 AM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: Sub-Driver

...every year many millions of people file taxes using Social Security Numbers that either were never issued by the government or do not match the name of the person using it.


“Identity Theft Is Pathway to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens”


22 posted on 04/06/2012 8:24:43 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: All
THE "JUST HERE FOR A BETTER LIFE" SCAM "Impoverished" illegals buy multiple fake identities for several thousand dollars each.

Jose Madrigal---the Washington State rapist---was riding the US gravy train, using some 30 identities.

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REFERENCE An illegal family of four can have an income of $30,000 a year and still qualify for food stamps----with just one identity. A single mother, with two children who has a full time job that pays $7.25 an hour has an effective income of $48,000 a year when you add all the benefits she and her children receive from the government: food stamps, Medicaid coverage, subsidized child care, school lunch program, “Temporary” Assistance to Needy Families, subsidized housing, Earned Income Tax Credit, etc......with just one identity.

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REFERENCE The Federal ID that Pays Illegal Aliens Billions -----November 28, 2011

......a recent analysis entitled, “Treasury Department Says Illegal Aliens Collection Billions in Tax Credits,” revealed that according to the Department of Treasury’s Inspector General, more than $4.2 billion in additional child credits were paid out in 2010 to illegal immigrants. In 2005, the pay outs totaled $924 million. This program allows low income earners to claim a $1,000 per child credit.

EITC claims---can run up to over $3000 per claim. $20 billion is estimated to have been paid out to these cunning "impoverished" illegals. Most of them are collecting over and over again-----using multiple identities-----falsifying apps---claiming children they do not have and/or falsely stating kids are back in their homelands.

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Illegal Immigrant Living In US Arrested In Tax Scam; Was Selling Fake W-2 Forms To Other Illegal Immigrants, Police Say
WDSU / FR Posted by Arthurio, March 8

KENNER, La. -- Kenner police have arrested an illegal immigrant living in La Place in connection with a tax scam. Police said Tuesday that $20,000 was seized as evidence from his vehicle. Officers responding to a disturbance Friday found Marvin Baca in an argument about false W-2 forms that he sold to another illegal immigrant for $1,500, Kenner police said.

Police said Baca was arrested and confessed to a scam, saying he has been selling fictitious W-2 forms for $1,500 to other Hispanics who are in the country illegally.

Police said that on one of the forged W-2 forms had a social security number of a person living in Virginia. Police said illegal Hispanics purchase fictitious W-2 forms and file false tax returns with the government to receive a refund.

Baca was charged with one count of identity theft and two counts of forgery.

Read more: http://www.wdsu.com/news/30618342/detail.html#ixzz1oZcGWUEb

23 posted on 04/06/2012 9:14:45 AM PDT by Liz
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REFERENCE The federal "ICE documents and benefits fraud task force" found: A common practice among "impoverished" illegals is to buy several faked identitues for several thousand dollars each----the illegal then votes and rides the US gravy train under several names. One latino stole $3.2 million UI benefits using several identities. Jose Madrigal---the Washington state rapist---had some 30 identities.

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July 21, 2006---BERGEN RECORD, NJ
Texans accused of selling counterfeit IDs
(impoverished illegals "here for a better life" pay several thousand $$$ for fake ID's)

Pelcastre brothers, Angel and Jorge, Dallas, Texas, were a walking threat to US national security, expert document forgers who, for a few thousand dollars, could give anyone a new identity, NJ L/E authorities said. The Texas brothers were a "one-stop shop" for a myriad of fake US documents, including birth certificates, Social Security cards, driver's licenses----for any state in the US------ passports and resident alien cards, said state police.

The Texas brothers turned a NJ hotel room into a business office and were readying a massive cache of fake Social Security cards for delivery to a local NJ identity broker. Officers happened upon two cars bearing Texas plates in a NJ hotel parking lot. Authorities wouldn't identify the NJ hotel by name for fear it would spark retribution by savage South of the Border drug kingpins.

The Texas brothers were followed to a NJ office supply store nearby where they purchased computer supplies. Officers then followed the Texans to a NJ storage facility in Secaucus, NJ, where the Texans loaded several boxes into a car. One of them stood lookout. Authorities approached the Texas brothers when they returned to the NJ hotel and questioned them separately.

The Texas brothers consented to a search. Police recovered laminating sheets with built-in security features, pages of blank documents waiting for fake names and information, finished documents, computers and software to create the fake IDs.

All told, the haul was worth about $500,000 on the street when sold to "impoverished illegals." Police also recovered $6,000 in cash, which was the first payment from a NJ fake document broker for a shipment of 500 phony Social Security cards.

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Illegal Manuel Mejia Ordonez ordered to repay $3M in Calif employment fraud
San Francisco Chronicle | June 26, 2010
FR Posted June 26, 2010 by artichokegrower

A former Marysville resident has been sentenced to prison and ordered to pay back $3 million in fraudulently obtained unemployment compensation.

US Attorney Benjamin B. Wagner said 31 -year-old Manuel Mejia Ordonez was sentenced to eight years and one month in prison for conspiracy to commit mail fraud and identity theft. (Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...

QUESTION How does a citizen of Mexico make $3 million in unemployment claims? A. By establishing multiple identities. The fraudster, Manuel Mejia Ordonez, got eight years for conspiracy to commit mail fraud........and identity theft.

24 posted on 04/06/2012 9:19:53 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Condor51; AuntB; TADSLOS; Tennessee Nana; Clintonfatigued; Grampa Dave; LucyT; GOPJ; rintense; ...

ping


25 posted on 04/06/2012 9:27:19 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Sub-Driver

Sounds like Obama’s IRS thinks it has the authority to sell citizenship.


26 posted on 04/06/2012 9:31:07 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Sounds like liberals are trying to add to their voter base.


27 posted on 04/06/2012 9:52:29 AM PDT by Razzz42
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To: Liz

This is Obama’s total joke on US. Illegal aliens steal identities, so just how the Hell are they going to pay income taxes?


28 posted on 04/06/2012 9:54:21 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Liz; stephenjohnbanker; Condor51; AuntB; TADSLOS; Tennessee Nana; Clintonfatigued; Grampa Dave; ...

Didn’t you hear? Obama doesn’t have enough beds for the illegals, so he can’t keep ‘em. (He had $1 trillion for the Porkulus bill though).

He will count those that he let go as “apprehended” though, when he wants to sound like a law-and-order guy. (Depends on who the audience is.)


29 posted on 04/06/2012 12:02:25 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: bjorn14

Not only are they using Soc Sec numbers that do not belong to them.....

IT is ILLEGAL for them to work anywhere in this country!!!

What else doesn’t the Obama Administration NOT understand?

Do they even know what an I-9 Form is and what is required to properly fill one out???


30 posted on 04/06/2012 12:16:01 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Hodar

I believe/choose the second option.


31 posted on 04/06/2012 12:38:17 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: noinfringers2

I use the same set of excuses when I have people insisting that WE learn to speak Spanish.

Are we just inherently smarter, such that learning Spanish is easier for us to learn, than for a Mexican to learn English - or are the Mexicans just lazy? Which is it, are Mexicans too stupid to learn English, or too lazy?

If we move to a foreign country, I fully expect to learn the language of that country. My grandfather spoke French, Norwegion, German and Malagashi; and had to learn English when he came here. Apparently it wasn’t too hard for him, he managed to learn English in just a few years (not numerous generations). So, which is it? Stupid, or lazy?


32 posted on 04/06/2012 12:46:02 PM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar

My parents were both immigrants. I didn’t get to know my father because he passed away before I was born. However my mother carried her very distinctive accent untill her death. However one of the proudest days of her life was when she became a citizen. As with the rest of her family here in the USA my mother through all the years, even the depression, wanted to be a USA citizen and not the USA to be her homeland. So to address your question as to stupid or lazy I would say neither is a complete cause. Rather it is that some immigrants want the USA with its bounty to become their native land. The same goes for Muslims.


33 posted on 04/06/2012 1:23:45 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Sub-Driver; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
Ping!

Click the keyword Aliens to see more illegal alien, border security, and other related threads.

34 posted on 04/06/2012 4:08:32 PM PDT by HiJinx
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To: Sub-Driver

Illegal aliens fill out Forms W-4 so that their employer can withhold the correct federal income tax and the IRS just overlooks this ,so the same illegal that has a fake or stolen ss # but uses on them w-4 tax form submitted to the irs and he uses his tax id to file taxes, work that one out.


35 posted on 04/06/2012 4:28:56 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Liz

The fix is in folks, they will never send these illegals back and they will never stop them from coming in. The law is dead. The USA is no longer a sovereign nation, just an international freeway.


36 posted on 04/06/2012 5:16:08 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; Sub-Driver; Tennessee Nana; ridesthemiles; antonico; CodeToad; ...
Mexico and the Third World are diligently facilitating this----illegals violating our borders are the Third World's "voting blocs"--- they know vote-crazed US politicians will do anything to get votes.....and the payback for getting US pols elected is voting billions in foreign aid to these salivating federales.

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Illegal "separatists" loot the US Treasury and extort US taxpayers to finance their activities----setting up a hyphenated Third World inside the US.

REFERENCE: The Mérida Initiative (also called Plan Mexico by critics) is a so-called "security cooperation agreement" between the United States and the government of Mexico and the countries of Central America, with the declared aim of combating the threats of drug trafficking, transnational organized crime and money laundering. The assistance includes training, equipment and intelligence.

In seeking partnership with the United States, Mexican officials point out that the illicit drug trade is a shared problem in need of a shared solution, and remark that most of the financing for the Mexican traffickers comes from American drug consumers. U.S. law enforcement officials estimate that US$12 to 15 billion per year flows from the United States to the Mexican traffickers, and that is just in cash, i.e., not including the money sent by wire transfers.

The U.S. Congress passed legislation in late June 2008 to provide Mexico with $400 million and Central American countries with $65 million that year for the Mérida Initiative. The initiative was announced on 22 October 2007 and signed into law on June 30, 2008.

37 posted on 04/07/2012 5:46:51 AM PDT by Liz
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