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Mitt’s got your number, Marco Rubio
Boston Herald ^ | 4/6/12 | Howie Carr

Posted on 04/06/2012 7:39:32 AM PDT by raccoonradio

Can we all agree that, whatever else he is, Mitt Romney is a numbers man?

And that’s what his pick for vice president is going to come down to — numbers. Mitt wants to count to 270, as in the 270 electoral votes he needs to win.

No need to make his decision anytime soon, because it’s a long, long way to Tampa. But right now I’ll go with the conventional wisdom and say it’s U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio.

First, the number 29. That’s how many electoral votes Florida has. John McCain got 173 electoral votes, but after the 2010 census, the McCain states have just under 190 electoral votes. If Mitt carries every state McCain did — and why shouldn’t he? — he only needs 80 more.

Rubio’s young, Cuban-American and a Tea Party favorite. Obama’s media rumpswabs obviously consider him a threat — The Washington Post has been trying to kneecap him for months.

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush? No way. That pick would set off yet another nationwide epidemic of Bush Derangement Syndrome. Yes, he’s married to a Mexican-American and his children are “little brown ones” (as George H.W. Bush once put it).

But why would the Bushes accept the No. 2 spot in a campaign they wouldn’t control?

Rick Santorum, the candidate of the Council of Trent, has driven up every Republican’s negatives among women, so maybe Mitt would pick a woman.

He’s not averse — look at his lieutenant governor. I still say he wrongly (if understandably) assumed Kerry Murphy Healey was Roman Catholic, but her gender was what counted.

But who’s available this year? Condi Rice ain’t running. Then there’s New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, a twofer, female and Mexican-American. But the magic number that kills her is five — New Mexico’s number of electoral votes.

How about Gov. Nikki Haley, Indian-American, of South Carolina? She’s young, good-looking, but already has ruled herself out.

U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin is the flavor of the week. Does he guarantee Mitt carries Wisconsin’s 10 electoral votes? The answer is no, so say goodnight, Paul. Plus, he’s too easy to demonize.

Obama sounded fresh out of a “Saturday Night Live” skit Tuesday when he was accusing Ryan’s budget of everything except microwaving kittens.

Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey. He’s been in Israel this week, a required trip for all prospective national candidates. Think what he’d do to Joe Biden in a debate. On the other hand, think what a ham sandwich would do to Joe Biden in a debate. Plus, Christie is too fat.

Gov. Mitch Daniels of Indiana. If Mitt can’t carry Indiana this year (McCain lost narrowly), he’s not going to win anyway. Plus, Daniels is too bald.

I’m sticking with Rubio. On election night 2010, during his victory speech in Miami, some of the media’s Beautiful People were tweeting back and forth about how he looked like a “Central American military dictator.” Don’t you love how liberals celebrate diversity? Marco must be doing something right.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: howiecarr; mitt; vp

1 posted on 04/06/2012 7:39:39 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio; Andonius_99; Andy'smom; Antique Gal; Big Guy and Rusty 99; bitt; Barset; ...

Howie Carr list ping

>>Daniels is too bald

Didn’t hurt Cheney.

Current poll running on Herald site
Herald Pulse
Who should Mitt Romney pick for running mate?

47% - Fla. Sen. Marco Rubio

9% - Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin

20% - N.J. Gov. Chris Christie

10% - Wis. Rep. Paul Ryan

2% - Ohio Rep. Rob Portman

9% - New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez

3% - Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell
Total Votes: 1,726


2 posted on 04/06/2012 7:41:09 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Also in today’s Boston Herald
Mitt Romney’s choice of running mate could make, break him
By Hillary Chabot

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20220406romneys_choice_of_running_mate_could_make_break_him/

Typecast as a millionaire Massachusetts moderate short on pizzazz but big on PowerPoint presentations, a buttoned-down Mitt Romney must find a running mate who will spruce up his conservative cred while giving his ticket a common touch needed to connect to voters, said GOP party officials yesterday.

“He needs to liven up his ticket, explore conservative options and he needs someone to help him out in a swing state,” said Chris Brown, a Romney delegate and former executive director of the Alabama Republican Party, who warned the former Bay State governor against a “boring, old, establishment Republican.”

“He’s been painted as the establishment guy. I don’t think the electorate would rally around an even more entrenched establishment ticket,” Brown said.

Talk of Romney’s potential vice presidential picks has kicked up since his triple victory Tuesday, beating rival Rick Santorum in Wisconsin as well as Maryland and Washington, D.C.

“Gov. Romney is going to be the nominee barring some huge event,” said Steve Duprey, a national Republican committeeman in New Hampshire. “I’m sure they are focusing on reintroducing him outside of the primary, building a war chest and organization, and then they’ll move on to start the VP vetting process.”

But Ted Frank, a lawyer who was part of U.S. Sen. John McCain’s vetting team during his 2008 presidential run, said Romney’s probably further along.

“I would be very surprised if there isn’t someone with a notepad with a list of 20 to 30 names,” said Frank, likely including U.S. Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Rob Portman (R-Ohio), U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

“They could be anywhere from brainstorming, to having preliminary research, to actually having a name in mind — it depends on the candidate. It’s very, very doubtful they have a secret offer out there,” Frank said.

Candidates such as Rubio, Christie and Ryan would help inspire the conservative base of the GOP that’s been slow to warm up to Romney, said Saul Anuzis, a National Republican Committeeman from Michigan.

“They would help rally the right and appeal to the next generation of Republicans,” Anuzis said.

Hispanic New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez and Tea Party favorite South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley — dubbed “Haley’s Comet” by the Drudge Report — could give Romney a much-needed boost with female voters, Frank said.

“One of the things he has to consider is whether picking a woman will have an appeal to the electorate, and he has to balance that out against their experience,” he said, adding, “people like diversity.”

Alex Triantafilou, chairman of the Hamilton County Republican Party in Ohio, said that the No. 1 rule in picking a running mate is to do no harm.

“I’m not one of those people who thinks he’s got to broaden his base that much. This is going to be a referendum on the president,” Triantafilou said.

Keep it basic, agreed Marty Connors, a Republican strategist in Alabama.

“All he needs is someone who can carry a swing state and step in as president if needed,” Connors said, “because he’s got the issues and the hair covered.”


3 posted on 04/06/2012 7:42:41 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Little Marco’s tea party luster is fading fast as he attaches his lips to Mitt Romney’s ass and lectures us on the need to support illegals.


4 posted on 04/06/2012 7:43:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: raccoonradio

I held my nose to vote for McCain and only because Sarah was on ticket...this time I am not voting for Mitt I don’t care who he has on the ticket.
I will vote GOP down the ticket. We do have a Democratic senator up this year in Florida and I will vote for the Republican.
If the national GOP can not nominate a conservative I will begin to look for a third party before the 2016 election if we still have a Republic.
Freegards
LEX


5 posted on 04/06/2012 7:44:23 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: cripplecreek

>>the need to support illegals.

Yikes! Last thing we’d need.


6 posted on 04/06/2012 7:46:37 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
As far as I can tell, Rubio's only asset is his ethnic heritage. He's not particularly conservative, certainly not enough to offset Willard's liberalism.

If ethnic heritage is the primary concern here I'd rather go with Allen West, who would be more than acceptable regardless of what he looked like.

Of course I'd rather just go with the most common sense conservative available, regardless of skin color.

7 posted on 04/06/2012 7:49:38 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: raccoonradio

Rubio, Haley are not NBCs.

Only two people on ticket who can help Romney would be Rand Paul or Jeb Bush, IMHO.


8 posted on 04/06/2012 7:53:53 AM PDT by circumbendibus (Obama is an unconstitutional illegal putative president. Quo Warranto in 2012)
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To: raccoonradio

Read through BOTH of ‘em.

Reminded me of a bit of ranch wisdom:

Put all the whipped cream and cherries you want on it, if you started with cow flop, you’ve only got PRETTY cow flop.

(And I’d probably vote for the plain ol’ cow flop before The 0 anyway.)


9 posted on 04/06/2012 7:56:02 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet ((287 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: raccoonradio

Rubio and Ryan (and even Nikki Haley) would overshadow Romney on the ticket, like Palin did on McCain’s ticket. Romney will NOT allow that to happen. Finally, it would be extremely dumb to take a senator out of Florida because the Senate is crucial this year.

Plus, Romney needs a woman on the ticket, and one from a swing state to boot. Susana Martinez fits all the requirements, is a moderate Latina from New Mexico, and helps Romney in the “Western Strategy”. While conservatives may not like this, she covers the most area politically in the swing demographics.


10 posted on 04/06/2012 7:59:19 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Romney barely won in OH with a 12-1 money advantage, he can't beat Obama that way.)
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To: skeeter

Rubio is conservative as there is. He stinks on immigration, but more Bush-style stink, not Harry Reid stink. Outside of that, he’s rock solid.


11 posted on 04/06/2012 8:04:24 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: raccoonradio

Nearly all of the names that Howie mentions in this article are pro-amnesty for illegal immigration, too, but Howie doesn’t mention this. Why not?


12 posted on 04/06/2012 8:04:30 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: raccoonradio
I don't want to loose Marco as our US Senator. He can do more good there.
Mitt: Pick Allen West for VP.
13 posted on 04/06/2012 8:05:07 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO supporters are stuck on stupid. . . Always were, always will be. . .)
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To: raccoonradio

must find a running mate who will spruce up his conservative cred

He will go with someone more liberal because he believes conservatives hate, loath and fear Obama so much that he can pretty much expel gas in our faces and we’ll vote for him.


14 posted on 04/06/2012 8:05:07 AM PDT by DManA
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To: raccoonradio

The election will be about the spiralling debt and Obama’s mishandling of economic policy generally. The best running mate to make that case is Rep. Ryan.


15 posted on 04/06/2012 8:07:06 AM PDT by buridan
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To: Voter#537

That sounds good too...Palin recommends
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/04/Palin-West-For-Vice-President

>>Sarah Palin said that her top choice for the ticket was Congressman Allen West because he “understands the constitution” and is “passionate.”


16 posted on 04/06/2012 8:15:15 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: buridan

Rubio would be nothing but a show horse. That’s exactly what Romney does NOT need, since he’s so woefully lacking on substance himself. Not to mention they will NOT win the Hispanic vote, which is currently something like 70-80% in Obama’s camp. Therefore Rubio would be a waste of a pick since he has accomplished nothing and therefore adds nothing else to the ticket. We don’t need a GOP that starts pushing affirmative action as much as the Dems do.

Newt Gingrich would be far and away the best choice, in the Cheney mold of the wisened elder who adds experience and substance to the ticket and who people would believe could easily step into the presidential role if need be.

Paul Ryan would be the best “young gun” to add to the ticket. He adds great substance, obvious intellect and competence. And for people who are aware of how liberal Romney always has been on economic policy, Ryan adds conservative credibility. Problem is while he makes a great permanent Vice President, it’s a little hard to see him stepping into the role of Commander-in-Chief.

Allen West is much more credible in the presidential role than Ryan or Rubio. But he’s a little too green as a candidate. I think he needs more experience campaigning to avoid falling into the kind of pitfalls Palin did. And I’d like to see someone have to run for REelection at least once before being on a ticket. Not to mention there’s little chance he’d be picked since Romney’s GOP elite buddies are trying to redistrict him out of existence right now.


17 posted on 04/06/2012 8:18:46 AM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: raccoonradio

Rubio has been a profound dissappointment to me.

Portman is more in the GOP mold. White, male, relatively moderate, non-inflammatory, reasoned speaking method to the point of boredom, no skeletons in his background, strong on economic numbers and he delivers Ohio.

Romney/Portman - a lukewarm bowl of flavorless oatmeal.


18 posted on 04/06/2012 8:19:29 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Not Romney - Not ever!)
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To: ilgipper

Rubio is conservative as there is.

except that he endorsed a liberal from Mass.


19 posted on 04/06/2012 8:26:17 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
I do not disagree with you and I have not decided how I will handle a RINO nominee. However, the courts are killing us right now. Look at Wisconsin and how the liberal judges are actually interfering with the political process. I may have to hold my nose and vote for the RINO to try and hold back a tidal wave of Obama liberal activist judicial appointees. I have an idea, conservatives should show up at Romney events wearing clothes pins on their nose to let him know where we stand on him. The other thought is the RINO will have to behave like a conservative if he wants to be reelected, we may have at least some control over his first four years.
20 posted on 04/06/2012 8:27:16 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: ilgipper
Rubio is conservative as there is. He stinks on immigration, but more Bush-style stink, not Harry Reid stink. Outside of that, he’s rock solid.

Is that why Rubio supported and sponsored SOPA/PIPA?

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/01/18/rubio-on-second-thought-sopapipas-a-bad-idea/

21 posted on 04/06/2012 8:32:57 AM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: cripplecreek

Buh bye, Marco.....see you in Mexico


22 posted on 04/06/2012 8:40:20 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: raccoonradio
The poll misidentifies Rob Portman as a Representative. He used to be one--he is now Senator. Senators are more credible as Presidential or Vice Presidential candidates than Representatives.

Recent cases of having a VP candidate who has only been a Representative have not worked well: Ferraro in 1984 for the Democrats, Miller in 1964 for the Republicans. Jack Kemp had been a Representative, not a Senator, but he had also been a Cabinet officer, as well as an NFL quarterback.

23 posted on 04/06/2012 8:59:35 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I think a lot of people are going to regret hitching their wagons to Romney. When the media stops covering up what a moron Mittens really is, there are gonna be mass facepalms aplenty.


24 posted on 04/06/2012 9:06:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: raccoonradio

Mitt is going to win every state G.W. Bush won in either of his elections. That is now 296 electoral votes. And heck even if I am too optimistic and he wins just those states Bush won twice he would have 281 electoral votes.

How does Obama get to 270?


25 posted on 04/06/2012 9:07:28 AM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress)
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To: Verginius Rufus
To qualify my last post, I don't think the "only a Representative" point would rule out Paul Ryan, since he has a leadership position in the House. Ferraro and Miller were nobodies--Ferraro was chosen just because the feminists ordered Mondale to pick a woman, and Miller was chosen because Barry Goldwater thought he drove LBJ crazy.

If Romney is the nominee he would need someone with solid conservative credentials if he wants to unify the party (not that he would succeed entirely to judge from a lot of comments here). I think Rubio is overrated--and there is the "natural born citizen" issue.

The big threats from Obama are his hankering to be another Hugo Chavez or Daniel Ortega, but it would be hard to get the public to see the danger, and what he is doing to the economy. A Romney/Ryan or Romney/Portman ticket might be able to focus on the economy rather than on the distractions that Obama wants to make the election about.

If the past week is an indication of what the rest of the campaign is going to be like, Obama will be in his strident nasty mode from now until November. Romney may be boring but that may be a relief for a lot of voters--and he did give a pretty decent speech after the primary victories on Tuesday.

26 posted on 04/06/2012 9:13:42 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: JLS
How does Obama get to 270?

New Black Panther Party pollwatchers.

27 posted on 04/06/2012 9:16:38 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Voter#537

Agreed. Allen West, Paul Ryan or Bob Mcdonnell all better choices. We don’t need the uproar that will ensue if they try to put Rubio on the ticket. His eligiblity is a big if. There will be lawsuits filed etc which we don’t need. There are plenty of good qualifed bonafide US natural born citizens to choose from.


28 posted on 04/06/2012 9:30:08 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

VP candidate is easier to remove. If someone brings a suit against Rubio it will bring down Obama.


29 posted on 04/06/2012 9:31:59 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: raccoonradio

“Rubio’s young, Cuban-American and a Tea Party favorite.”

Rubio is also not a natural born citizen, just like Obama isn’t, thereby making him ineligible to be the President (and, thus, the Vice President). A “natural born citizen” is someone born in this country to American citizen parents - and in this regard Rubio is even less of a NBC than Obama, since at least Obama’s mother was a US citizen (commie though she was) at the time of his birth. Rubio’s parents didn’t become naturalized until 1975, and he was born 4 years earlier. That he is a citizen is beyond question; but the fact of the matter is that the Framers of the Constitution did not make mere citizenship one of the requirements of being President - they specifically used the term, “Natural Born Citizen” and did so for a reason.

There’s even a Supreme Court case on the issue:

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 168.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/minor-v-happersett-revisited-2/

While I like Rubio, he is no more eligible to be President than Obama - and I think that it would be a TERRIBLE mistake for the Republican Party to permit a repeat of the Obama NBC problem. This is KNOWN to be the law of the land (even if courts are reluctant to state it, let alone enforce it). Let the ultimate nominee choose someone like Huckabee or DeMint - people who are not only unquestionably conservatives, but who are also unquestionably NBCs, as well.


30 posted on 04/06/2012 9:33:01 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: raccoonradio
What's it going to take to embed in your brain that Rubio was not born a “natural born citizen”, and therefore can not assume the presidency ?????????????
31 posted on 04/06/2012 9:39:19 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Fiat voluntas tua)
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To: raccoonradio

Native Born Citizen.

Ineligible for President and therefore ineligible for Veep.


32 posted on 04/06/2012 9:40:52 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ilgipper

” Rubio is conservative as there is. He stinks on immigration,”

LOL!


33 posted on 04/06/2012 9:42:03 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: JLS

“Mitt is going to win every state G.W. Bush won in either of his elections. That is now 296 electoral votes.”

No he isn’t.

Bush won with thin margins despite being personally likeable, a moderate as opposed to a determined leftwing activist and running with a modestly energized base. Bishop Willard is easily the most loathsome candidate the GOP has ever run in its entire history. In the general, Bishop Willard will be reduced to a wet spot of churned mud made of cultist tears, wardheeler sweat, blank RNC donation forms and the styrofoam beads that make up his core.


34 posted on 04/06/2012 9:52:02 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to support Willard. He is what he is.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

With you. Same resolve. Given the obliteration that Willard will get and will deserve, the down ticket is even MORE vital. Outing Boehner would be helpful too, but I doubt that will happen in the submissive party.


35 posted on 04/06/2012 9:55:35 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to support Willard. He is what he is.)
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To: morphing libertarian

” If someone brings a suit against Rubio it will bring down Obama.

I doubt it. It didn’t work in 2008 when McStain was required to bring his birth certificate and other birth records and not a word was said to Obama.


36 posted on 04/06/2012 9:56:22 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: raccoonradio

Romney would need a true Conservative that didn’t endorse Romney or pander to rinos if he wanted to attract Conservatives.


37 posted on 04/06/2012 9:57:09 AM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Obama’s eligibility status is a direct defense to charges against Rubio.


38 posted on 04/06/2012 9:57:55 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: JLS
Mitt is going to win every state G.W. Bush won in either of his elections. That is now 296 electoral votes. And heck even if I am too optimistic and he wins just those states Bush won twice he would have 281 electoral votes. How does Obama get to 270?

I think that this is way too optimistic. Bush had a unified and enthusiastic party behind him (particularly in 2000) and he barely won both times. Romney is a weaker candidate than McCain who managed to lose to Obama with margin to spare. As the Democrats proved in 2004, a weak candidate can lose to even a vulnerable President. I think that Republicans will view 2012 the same way that Democrats view 2004: a missed opportunity.

39 posted on 04/06/2012 10:02:24 AM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: raccoonradio

Is Rubio the reason that the RINOs are ignoring The Great Pretender’s lack of Natural Born Citizen status? I as a citzen of the USA cannot vote for someone who doesn’t quaify to be president, can you?


40 posted on 04/06/2012 10:21:20 AM PDT by RichardMoore (There is only one issue- Life: dump TV and follow a plant based diet)
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To: raccoonradio

Romney will not win. Obama is assured of a victory because he’s running against “McCain/Dole/Ford” none of whom inspired to voters at all. And if you add Rubio you’ve created a constitutional crisis; or should I say , you’ve added to the one that already exists.


41 posted on 04/06/2012 10:24:47 AM PDT by RichardMoore (There is only one issue- Life: dump TV and follow a plant based diet)
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To: RichardMoore
Is Rubio the reason that the RINOs are ignoring The Great Pretender’s lack of Natural Born Citizen status?

I think the answer to that question has to be YES and it includes Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley as well.

42 posted on 04/06/2012 11:04:09 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: cripplecreek

Nobody at FR wants Romney.

We got stuck with this Gomer, because good conservatives did nothing......like run for POTUS. Evil flourishes when good men don’t run for office.


43 posted on 04/06/2012 12:33:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

The democrats and media are going to whoop Romney like an unfaithful muslim wife.


44 posted on 04/06/2012 12:38:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

SooooooooooooooAmerica is finished unless an 80 year old sheriff can get the goods?


45 posted on 04/06/2012 12:56:04 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: CommerceComet

So you view the background of this election more like 2008 with the Dims ascending rather than more like 2000 when there was Clinton fatigue or 2004 when the GOP when defense was the issue.

McCain did not lose only and in my view mainly because he was a weak candidate. He lost because he was sailing in very bad waters for a GOP candidate. This year is much better than 2006 or 2008 for GOP candidates. Is it 2010 good, I think it could be. I guess it also could turn and be a bad environment for the GOP candidate, that is certainly what Fluke and Zimmer/Martin kerfuffles have been about.

In an ordinary year, I think McCain wins Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, Ohio, Virginia and maybe another little state or two to squeak it out. We will never know, but in an ordinary year would McCain lose big military/retired/retired military states like Virginia and Florida?

The question is is Romney a weak candidate in a way that matters. And for that matter was G.W. Bush a vulnerable president? I am not as accepting of the MSMediot meme on these topics are you are.

I think Obama is a much weaker and more vulnerable president TO THE PUBLIC than G.W. Bush was. Of course you and the MSMediots may disagree. I also think that Kerry is a far far far worse candidate than Romney will be. Romney is not a DC insider all his life ala Kerry. Thus Romney does not have a long history of various legislative compromise votes. Maybe we will discover the Salt Lake City Olympics actually were on a sound fiscal footing and Romney saving them was all a myth ala Kerry’s Viet Nam history, but I doubt it. [I can see it now, “Salt Lake City Olympic Organizers for Truth.” Certainly the MSMediots would love to publish that book.]


46 posted on 04/06/2012 2:11:42 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress)
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I see the closest election parallel to this one is 2004 - a vulnerable incumbent versus a weak challenger. I don't think that Bush's vulnerability was a media-creation. Even party insiders felt that Bush was going to have a fight on his hands. I'm glad that the Democrats nominated Kerry because Dubya would have likely lost against a stronger candidate.

If it weren't for the fact that the incumbents were not vulnerable, I would suggest 1972 and 1984 as parallels. McGovern and particularly Mondale are similar to Romney in that they both created no enthusiasm in their base. Given that Mitt Romney has never run an impressive campaign, I think the election is Obama's to lose. Unless Obama makes a mistake, I don't see Romney winning it. Despite Obama's buffoonery as President, no one should underestimate his ability as a campaigner nor his personal likability (which I can't understand).

47 posted on 04/06/2012 7:29:18 PM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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