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Prayers urgently Requested! F-18 Crashed into Apt Complex in VA Beach
Vanity | 04/06/12 | pgkdan

Posted on 04/06/2012 9:53:59 AM PDT by pgkdan

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To: pgkdan

A Prayer of Thanks. Praise the Lord, no serious injuries from what the latest report I heard said.


141 posted on 04/06/2012 3:39:43 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: pgkdan

In the crash in Alameda it took a week before they even knew what the exact toll was. There were lots of deaths at the point of impact, and over 50 injuries in the building.


142 posted on 04/06/2012 3:42:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: cva66snipe
I don't think Oceana or any of the other bases should be closed. But I do think all services need too get all of their eggs out of one basket and relocate a few eggs to other venues like to Mayport, Charleston, etc. Too many assets are in one place is my real worry.

I don't know. It looked like Oceana was going to be closed after the last round of BRAC but the city and state fought hard and made some concessions that stayed the Navy's hand. But VB is not the rural backwater that it was in 1941 when the bas ewas built. I just don't think it makes sense to have a Master Jet Base in the middle of a city of 500,000...a region of 1.5 million. I know the Navy was here first but that point is really moot at this time. The City of VA Beach grew up around the base.

BTW...I'm not one of those cry babies who don't like the jet noise. I live a mile off one of the runways and most of my neighbors are Navy, many of them pilots from Oceana. I love the Navy and jet noise to me is the sound of freedom!

I also agree with you about dispersing assets. It's scary to think that all of the Atlantic Fleet's carriers are in one port. It doesn't make sense. But if you talk about moving a carrier group out of Norfolk you're liable to get tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

143 posted on 04/06/2012 3:43:59 PM PDT by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: editor-surveyor
In the crash in Alameda it took a week before they even knew what the exact toll was. There were lots of deaths at the point of impact, and over 50 injuries in the building.

That's my fear. Two of the buildings were completly destroyed. They collapsed and are ashes. BUT...so far nobody has reported any family members missing or unaccounted for.

144 posted on 04/06/2012 3:46:28 PM PDT by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: LUV W

Thanks LUV. I heard about this during Rush’s show. Luckily no one was hurt as per the last report I heard.


145 posted on 04/06/2012 3:48:36 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: pgkdan

Prayers up...


146 posted on 04/06/2012 3:49:03 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I think 5 people were treated for smoke inhalation, according to Fox.com. It was a very lucky day for all involved, aside for the crash, of course.


147 posted on 04/06/2012 4:01:50 PM PDT by LUV W (Reserved for a hero........)
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To: pgkdan

Oh, FFS. Libs are using this accident to “prove” that the 9/11 airliner crashing into the Pentagon never happened. That the damage to the building was an inside job by Bush.


148 posted on 04/06/2012 4:11:07 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: IbJensen
I don't believe you. If you were you would have assessed the situation long before making the careless statement about one of our Military Pilots.

The take off was one mile and half from the crash....with a wing ablaze, at jet speed, and disengaged from the plane... one would assume you'd understand, more than others, the position of the plane as well as the pilot...if you were truly a pilot.

On the other hand if you are....then you should have known better then to make a judgement call without the facts. So I say again concerning you're original remark....idiot.

149 posted on 04/06/2012 4:41:44 PM PDT by caww
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; AFPhys
Latest word is that it was a 2-seater, both ejected safely. Boy are they going to feel like crap for anybody dead on the ground. (Since it crashed into buildings, it’s hard to believe nobody got hurt, but I’m sure hoping.)

Unless they had absolutely no control of the plane at all, weren't they obligated to stay with it and make sure that it DIDN'T hit something like it did?

Many years ago at the Niagara Falls AFB there was a flight show, either Blue Angels or Thunderbirds, I don't recall which one. There was a malfunction in one of the planes and the pilot chose to stay with the plane and land it in a controlled crash away from the crowd instead of ejecting and having the possibility of it landing IN the crowd.

The decision cost him his life, but he gave it to likely spare others.

Is this not what they're trained or expected to do?

150 posted on 04/06/2012 5:02:22 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: wolfman23601

Thanks for posting that. I was going to say something to exactly that effect. [I’m the very proud wife of a Machinist, and I wouldn’t have been quite as eloquent or kind as you... LOL]


151 posted on 04/06/2012 5:19:05 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: pgkdan

From my local news source....

“JET CRASH UPDATE: Officials Say Some Apartment Residents Still Missing”

Not good....


152 posted on 04/06/2012 5:25:25 PM PDT by LUV W (Reserved for a hero........)
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To: cva66snipe

During college (71-76) I worked at the Ocean View Fishing Pier and after graduation I worked for the Hembree family that owned that very Best Western along with 4 other motels along the strip. Small world, huh? I spent a lot of time down at Little Creek when I dated a guy who docked his headboat there.

Yeah, the City of Norfolk finally figured out what a gold mine that beach was, and everything changed once they did. I was glad that I had moved away by then so I didn’t have to see it.


153 posted on 04/06/2012 5:55:28 PM PDT by Grandma Pam
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To: cva66snipe
Only one place I went still looked the same and that was Highway 17 down in The Swamp. That drive was one of my favorite get out of Norfolk places to go when I couldn't get home on the weekends.

I love the Outer Banks. When we lived in VB we'd go down quite often. We have friends who have a nice place in Duck right on the beach. There was a little "family" of wild horses who hung around there. Always a joy to see.

154 posted on 04/06/2012 5:59:12 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: pgkdan
I also agree with you about dispersing assets. It's scary to think that all of the Atlantic Fleet's carriers are in one port. It doesn't make sense. But if you talk about moving a carrier group out of Norfolk you're liable to get tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

Pier 10 at N.O.B. should have never been built. It's not wind protected like 12 & 7. I saw a storm in about 78 that put have of the ships at N.O.B. out in the river channel torn from the piers.

N.O.B. NORVA up till the mid too late 80's was a three carrier berth at N.O.B. I've seen a picture of 5 there at once after pier 10 was built. That is a bad case of the Stupids on the part of The Pentagon who had them there all at the same time. Mayport is a carrier port and was a carrier home port for many years. None are home ported there now and that doesn't make any sense at all. Mayport does have two carrier berths though.

155 posted on 04/06/2012 6:02:33 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Grandma Pam
During college (71-76) I worked at the Ocean View Fishing Pier and after graduation I worked for the Hembree family that owned that very Best Western along with 4 other motels along the strip. Small world, huh? I spent a lot of time down at Little Creek when I dated a guy who docked his headboat there.

When I came back from my 77 cruise the old amusement park in Ocean View was gone. Me and a few buddies used to walk from Pier 12 to Ocean View to the Pizza place that was next to the amusement park. Back then there was nothing outside either the main gate on Hampton BLVD or Ocean View. If you wanted fast food it was a bus ride to Military Highway. I walked to there a few times also. LOL

When I went back in 2002 anything a person could want was outside the main gate. I did manage too locate enough land marks I remembered to where I went from the Main Gate on Hampton Bld with the cut across roads back over to Ocean View. There also wasn't an interstate by-pass in the 70's either LOL.

156 posted on 04/06/2012 6:44:32 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: pgkdan

Too horrific to contemplate!


157 posted on 04/06/2012 7:42:25 PM PDT by Joya
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To: LUV W

Well LUV it is a Holiday week-end and since an elderly community perhaps they are away visitng with family members...let’s hope so.


158 posted on 04/06/2012 8:48:22 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I hope so, too. I haven’t heard any more about it tonight....


159 posted on 04/06/2012 8:51:03 PM PDT by LUV W (Reserved for a hero........)
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To: metmom

No, it’s a personal decision that each pilot has to make. They’re not obligated to stay with a jet that’s going down. Most pilots eject below the flight manual minimum altitude in an effort to regain control. In fact, a lot of them eject out of the ejection seat performance envelope.
If the plane can be at least partially controlled and pointed in a safe direction, a pilot will do that. They’re trained for that. But a pilot is not doing a service to anybody by riding it in. If they can’t get it under control by the time they reach minimum ejection altitude, that last few thousand feet isn’t going to make a difference, especially in a situation like today’s. The jet was low and slow with an engine out (and who knows what other problems?). It was pretty well written in stone where that jet was going to hit. In that flight regime, the engines and control surfaces just don’t have enough authority to affect the flight path much.

I find it pretty insulting to suggest that the aircrew wasn’t doing their job and going against their training by not riding the jet into the fireball. They did everything they could before they punched out.


160 posted on 04/06/2012 10:43:03 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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